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In article <pmro9u.46o.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>, Frank Slootweg
<this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

> > >   BTW2, you do not need a Google account to run Android or Android apps
> > > and *if* you use a Google account it can be as fake/private as you want,
> > > so there's little/nothing for Google to spy.
> > 
> > there is still quite a bit for them to spy and they certainly won't be
> > fooled by a fake name.
> > 
> > google knows the imei and other hardware identifiers, and if the phone
> > has active cellular service, they know who owns the account via the
> > cell carriers.
> 
>   What 'phone'?

most android devices are phones, but many tablets have a cellular radio.

tablets without a cellular radio won't have an imei, but they still
have a unique device id along with other unique identifying
information. they are not immune from tracking just because there's no
cell radio.

>   And even if this *was* about a 'phone', which it isn't, or a tablet
> with cellular, Google does not have any access to subscriber details, at
> least not in the EU (GDPR) and probably not in the rest of the civilized
> world (which may or may not include the US).

the info can be obtained in other ways if the carrier doesn't provide
it, including via data brokers who collect and resell user data or
something as innocent as another person adding your mobile number (and
perhaps home & work numbers along with street address) to their google
contacts. it only takes one leak to connect the dots, and that leak can
be from just about anyone.

> >       location data will show where the person lives and works
> > and otherwise spends their time. google also knows what ip addresses
> > the device connects from, which will match other computers the person
> > uses. a lot of apps and web sites use google analytics and other
> > tracking, adding even more data.
> 
>   Given that he does not want Google to 'spy', it's unlikely that the OP
> will want/enable Location Services,

as it turns out, disabling that doesn't actually matter:

<https://www.theverge.com/2018/8/13/17684660/google-turn-off-location-hi
story-data>
  You may have assumed that turning off Google¹s Location History
  option meant that Google is no longer tracking your movements. But
  the reality is that Google can continue to collect location data and
  even track you on a minute-by-minute basis, remembering your home
  address, and other places you¹ve visited throughout the day, the
  Associated Press reports.

they also know your general location via the ip addresses from which
the device connects, which it must do to be useful. 

> but even if 'he' does, there is no
> such thing as 'the person'. Google may *try* to identify a unique
> individual, but as long as they fsck up detection of *legit* access to
> their servers, we shouldn't be too worried.

may try??

google's entire business model is collecting user data to better sell
ad placement.

the more info they have, the more effective ads they can sell and the
more money they make.

it's not 'may try', but 'how much can we try and get away with'.

>   And then there's the GDPR. If they *really* collect personal
> information without consent, fines of up to two percent of their
> turnover will get them in line quick smart.

you're assuming it's done without consent. that would be wrong.

users gave full consent when they agreed with the terms of service. 

it doesn't matter if they actually read it (most did not). they tapped
agree. 

google's statement (from the above link):
  Google¹s stance is that Location History¹s purpose and functionality
  is clearly spelled out to users. A Google spokesperson said in a
  statement to The Verge, ³Location History is a Google product that is
  entirely opt in, and users have the controls to edit, delete, or turn
  it off at any time.

although many would disagree with 'clearly spelled out' and 'opt-in'
(it's anything *but* clear and the default is on, not off), but they
*did* agree to the tos and the settings enabled access to the
information. in other words, consent.

also from the above link:
  This isn¹t the first time we¹ve heard of Google tracking your
  location regardless of whether you have location services turned on.
  Last November, Quartz reported that Android phones still collect your
  location data from nearby cell towers and send it to Google, even if
  you toggle off location services and take out your SIM card. Google
  later said it would remove the data-collecting feature by December of
  last year. This time, it¹s a little different because instead of it
  being cell towers that are the culprit, it¹s web services. But if
  anyone pays close enough attention to the fine print of permissions
  agreements, they can catch what tech companies are doing.

even if users do pay attention to the fine print (which few people do),
it's not always obvious what they're actually doing.

tl;dr - it's *really* hard to avoid being tracked, and not just by
google.

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