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  A tale calculated to keep you in suspense micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2018-11-24 23:59 -0500
    Re: A tale calculated to keep you in suspense Bob Henson <robert.h.henson@gmail.com> - 2018-11-25 09:36 +0000
      Re: A tale calculated to keep you in suspense micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2018-11-26 15:30 -0500
    Re: A tale calculated to keep you in suspense "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-25 14:17 +0100
      Re: A tale calculated to keep you in suspense "NY" <me@privacy.net> - 2018-11-25 14:18 +0000
        Re: A tale calculated to keep you in suspense micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2018-11-25 11:03 -0500
        Re: A tale calculated to keep you in suspense micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2018-11-25 14:59 -0500
          Re: A tale calculated to keep you in suspense "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-25 20:43 +0000
            Re: A tale calculated to keep you in suspense micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2018-11-26 19:37 -0500
    Re: A tale calculated to keep you in suspense Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2018-11-25 16:11 +0000
    Re: A tale calculated to keep you in suspense "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-25 17:56 +0000
      Re: A tale calculated to keep you in suspense 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-25 11:33 -0700
        Re: A tale calculated to keep you in suspense The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2018-11-25 11:17 -0800
      Re: A tale calculated to keep you in suspense "NY" <me@privacy.net> - 2018-11-25 20:17 +0000
        Re: A tale calculated to keep you in suspense The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2018-11-25 14:41 -0800
          Re: A tale calculated to keep you in suspense micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2018-11-26 20:37 -0500
            Re: A tale calculated to keep you in suspense "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-27 05:25 +0000
      Re: A tale calculated to keep you in suspense micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2018-11-26 20:33 -0500
    Re: A tale calculated to keep you in suspense Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> - 2018-11-25 20:11 -0800
      Re: A tale calculated to keep you in suspense "NY" <me@privacy.net> - 2018-11-26 11:55 +0000
        Re: A tale calculated to keep you in suspense micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2018-11-26 20:08 -0500
          Re: A tale calculated to keep you in suspense micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2018-11-26 20:14 -0500
          Re: A tale calculated to keep you in suspense "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-27 05:38 +0000
    Re: A tale calculated to keep you in suspense Frank Markgraf <hauwech@nurfuerspam.de> - 2018-11-26 13:27 +0100
    Phone only rings some of the time? micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2018-11-26 15:28 -0500
      Re: Phone only rings some of the time? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-27 00:18 +0100
        Re: Phone only rings some of the time? micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2018-11-27 03:21 -0500
          Re: Phone only rings some of the time? "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-27 16:52 +0000
            Re: Phone only rings some of the time? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-29 15:27 +0100
          Re: Phone only rings some of the time? micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2018-11-27 14:38 -0500
            Re: Phone only rings some of the time? David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> - 2018-11-27 21:12 +0000
              Re: Phone only rings some of the time? micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2018-11-28 09:49 -0500
                Re: Phone only rings some of the time? micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2018-11-28 10:15 -0500
                  Re: Phone only rings some of the time? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-28 10:52 -0500

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#57854 — A tale calculated to keep you in suspense

A tale calculated to keep you in suspense

 Well not that much suspense, but I would appreciate comments.

Yesterday I got out of the hospital after 2 days (presumably I'm cured)
and didn't want to cook.  Ordered a pizza to be delivered. 

It was 11:15PM and the parlor was open until 2AM. 

They said 30 to 45 minutes and after 15 minutes I went downstairs to
wait in the kitchen, right next to the front hall.  After about 45
minutes I called to tell them that Google shows my house about 2 blocks
from where it really is. (but it's wrong** for almost every house on
this 3-block street and they must have delivered to this street before
and should know that.)

No answer, no answer twice more at 30 minute intervals. No pizza. 

At 2PM I ate what little food I had. 

I called today and he answered, same guy as yesterday, and he said the
delivery man waited 30 minutes outside my house but I never answered the
phone.   And that he himself called me 3 times. 


I have had trouble getting my phone to ring in the past, the volume
would mysteriously go down to zero, but yesterday I got a call around
noon and it rang fine, and right after I called today, I called myself
from the landline and it worked fine.


I get 4 bars on my phone throughout the house. 



I asked him to deliver it again and he wanted to verify the last 4
digits of the credit card and 20 minutes later it was there.  The
delivery man said he wasn't the one from last night.   He didn't call
from the car because it was daylight, but he knocked so lightly I barely
heard it. 

So what happened.  Did my phone not work, or did he not deliver but used
this as an excuse?

They've been in business for at least 10 years, they were prompt today,
they didn't send a pie from last night but a fresh one. 

OTOH, how could my phone not work? 


**The street is shaped like a square, and google seems to have started
numbering at the SW corner and gone counterclockwise, when in fact the
numbers start at the NW corner and go clockwise.   So 2 or 3 houses
somewhere in the middle are probably correct.    Is it worth trying to
write Google for them to correct this, or is it better this way so my
enemies can't find me as quickly? 

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#57862

micky wrote:


> **The street is shaped like a square, and google seems to have started
> numbering at the SW corner and gone counterclockwise, when in fact the
> numbers start at the NW corner and go clockwise.   So 2 or 3 houses
> somewhere in the middle are probably correct.    Is it worth trying to
> write Google for them to correct this, or is it better this way so my
> enemies can't find me as quickly?


Probably not worth it. We have the same problem with numbers. Google shows
my blue location dot over my phone's position - accurately enough to be
able to see if I am at the front or back of the house - but then assigns a
wrong number to the house. The number it assigns is some 200 yards from me
and round a corner - so any delivery person who uses Google maps for
location has got little chance. Fortunately most delivery drivers don't use
Google.

I've reported it several times and received an acknowledgment, but nothing
changes. Maybe you'll have more luck than me?

-- 
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England

Facebook - a place where people spend all day telling you that they have
nothing to say.

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#57912

In comp.mobile.android, on Sun, 25 Nov 2018 09:36:33 +0000, Bob Henson
<robert.h.henson@gmail.com> wrote:

>micky wrote:
>
>
>> **The street is shaped like a square, and google seems to have started
>> numbering at the SW corner and gone counterclockwise, when in fact the
>> numbers start at the NW corner and go clockwise.   So 2 or 3 houses
>> somewhere in the middle are probably correct.    Is it worth trying to
>> write Google for them to correct this, or is it better this way so my
>> enemies can't find me as quickly?
>
>
>Probably not worth it. We have the same problem with numbers. Google shows
>my blue location dot over my phone's position - accurately enough to be
>able to see if I am at the front or back of the house - but then assigns a
>wrong number to the house. The number it assigns is some 200 yards from me
>and round a corner - so any delivery person who uses Google maps for
>location has got little chance. Fortunately most delivery drivers don't use
>Google.

Okay.  And you must be right, the pizza man found me on Friday and the
Chinese delivery man found me yesterday.  I'm feeling better and won't
need delivery much anymore. 

The Sunday guide kept pulling on my fence gate and looking for the latch
even though it's not latched!
>
>I've reported it several times and received an acknowledgment, but nothing
>changes. Maybe you'll have more luck than me?

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#57865

On 25/11/2018 05.59, micky wrote:
> A tale calculated to keep you in suspense
> 
>  Well not that much suspense, but I would appreciate comments.
> 
> Yesterday I got out of the hospital after 2 days (presumably I'm cured)
> and didn't want to cook.  Ordered a pizza to be delivered. 
> 
> It was 11:15PM and the parlor was open until 2AM. 
> 
> They said 30 to 45 minutes and after 15 minutes I went downstairs to
> wait in the kitchen, right next to the front hall.  After about 45
> minutes I called to tell them that Google shows my house about 2 blocks
> from where it really is. (but it's wrong** for almost every house on
> this 3-block street and they must have delivered to this street before
> and should know that.)
> 
> No answer, no answer twice more at 30 minute intervals. No pizza. 
> 
> At 2PM I ate what little food I had. 
> 
> I called today and he answered, same guy as yesterday, and he said the
> delivery man waited 30 minutes outside my house but I never answered the
> phone.   And that he himself called me 3 times. 
> 
> 
> I have had trouble getting my phone to ring in the past, the volume
> would mysteriously go down to zero, but yesterday I got a call around
> noon and it rang fine, and right after I called today, I called myself
> from the landline and it worked fine.
> 
> 
> I get 4 bars on my phone throughout the house. 
> 
> 
> 
> I asked him to deliver it again and he wanted to verify the last 4
> digits of the credit card and 20 minutes later it was there.  The
> delivery man said he wasn't the one from last night.   He didn't call
> from the car because it was daylight, but he knocked so lightly I barely
> heard it. 
> 
> So what happened.  Did my phone not work, or did he not deliver but used
> this as an excuse?
> 
> They've been in business for at least 10 years, they were prompt today,
> they didn't send a pie from last night but a fresh one. 
> 
> OTOH, how could my phone not work? 
> 
> 
> **The street is shaped like a square, and google seems to have started
> numbering at the SW corner and gone counterclockwise, when in fact the
> numbers start at the NW corner and go clockwise.   So 2 or 3 houses
> somewhere in the middle are probably correct.    Is it worth trying to
> write Google for them to correct this, or is it better this way so my
> enemies can't find me as quickly? 
> 

Next time hang a lantern on the steps and tell them :-)


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#57866

"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote in message 
news:50kqcf-0to.ln1@Telcontar.valinor...
>> **The street is shaped like a square, and google seems to have started
>> numbering at the SW corner and gone counterclockwise, when in fact the
>> numbers start at the NW corner and go clockwise.   So 2 or 3 houses
>> somewhere in the middle are probably correct.    Is it worth trying to
>> write Google for them to correct this, or is it better this way so my
>> enemies can't find me as quickly?

Consider the added problem of houses that all have names rather than 
numbers. Where I live now is a tiny hamlet of two farms and about 5 
cottages. No numbers have ever been allocated (as far as I know) by the 
Royal Mail - it's not a case of houses having numbers but people all using 
names in preference to numbers. Without a map that shows house names, you 
can't rely on finding one house with a prominent number and deducing where a 
neighbouring house will be because number 3 will probably be between 2 and 4 
etc.

We have to describe where our house is "isolated cottage next to a terrace 
of three cottages, half-way along the length of the village green", for 
deliveries - where it is possible to give this information. Amazon doesn't 
have any way of adding this sort of free-form info, so you have to rely on 
cottage name and hope that if they can't find our cottage, someone else will 
be in who can give precise directions. Fortunately our cottage is at the 
centre of the official map reference for its postcode (as used by satnavs 
when they are guiding people by postcode, which is the most common way of 
quickly defining a house address in the UK) so it gets delivery people to 
the right part of the village to start looking.

House numbering patterns are a mystery in some places. In general, a through 
road (as opposed to a dead end) tends to have even numbers on one side and 
equivalent odd numbers on the opposite side, so 1 and 2 are more or less 
opposite. Dead end roads (cul-de-sacs) tend to be numbered consecutively 
rather than alternate odd/even. But there are lots of exceptions to this, 
and some notorious streets with duplicated numbers, or else long streets 
which change their name half way along and start the numbering all over 
again. My parents live on a long road which runs for about 5 miles between 
two towns Aylesbury (the larger of the two) and Wendover (the smaller). 
Originally there were gaps and empty fields between the outskirts of one 
town, the intervening village and the outskirts of the other town, but now 
this is gradually getting filled in. You have three sets of house numbers:

- Aylesbury Road, Wendover
- Wendover Road, Weston Turville or Wendover Road, Stoke Mandeville (*)
- Wendover Road, Aylesbury


(*) Same numbering scheme, but boundary between two villages notionally runs 
down the middle of the road, so village name indicates which side of the 
main road: clever!

My parents went through a phase of mail for their house in Wendover Road, 
Weston Turville being mis-directed to the same number house in Wendover 
Road, Aylesbury, and vice versa - until a new postman had learned the rules. 
It doesn't help that their house number is has an "A" suffix (eg 123A) 
because it was built at a later date and was inserted in a plot of land that 
had previously belonged to 123 or 125 on one side or the other of it 
(fictitious numbers used). I suppose when only isolated new houses are built 
after the numbering has been set in stone, it's easier to add "A" and "B" 
suffixes to an existing number rather than to renumber the whole street 
consecutively all over again: as happened to my grandparents twice during 
the time they lived in one house, and more and more of the roadside fields 
were filled in with new developments.

Sometimes you find that a new development is given its own road name, even 
though the houses still front onto a longer street, so you get adjacent 
houses numbered 1, 3, 5 Old Street, then 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 New Street, then 7, 
9, 11, ... Old Street. That happened where we used to live: a large mansion 
had been demolished and five houses built on the land, with new driveways 
been built from the road to each of the new houses. Rather than renumber the 
whole street, they gave the new houses a related but different name (X 
Gardens, when the rest of the road was X Road). 

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#57867

In comp.mobile.android, on Sun, 25 Nov 2018 14:18:37 -0000, "NY"
<me@privacy.net> wrote:

>"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote in message 
>news:50kqcf-0to.ln1@Telcontar.valinor...
>>> **The street is shaped like a square, and google seems to have started
>>> numbering at the SW corner and gone counterclockwise, when in fact the
>>> numbers start at the NW corner and go clockwise.   So 2 or 3 houses
>>> somewhere in the middle are probably correct.    Is it worth trying to
>>> write Google for them to correct this, or is it better this way so my
>>> enemies can't find me as quickly?

In my case, it says it's about 800 yards and 3 short blocks from where I
really live. 

>Consider the added problem of houses that all have names rather than 
>numbers. Where I live now is a tiny hamlet of two farms and about 5 
>cottages. No numbers have ever been allocated (as far as I know) by the 
>Royal Mail - it's not a case of houses having numbers but people all using 
>names in preference to numbers. Without a map that shows house names, you 
>can't rely on finding one house with a prominent number and deducing where a 
>neighbouring house will be because number 3 will probably be between 2 and 4 
>etc.
>
>We have to describe where our house is "isolated cottage next to a terrace 
>of three cottages, half-way along the length of the village green", for 
>deliveries - where it is possible to give this information. Amazon doesn't 
>have any way of adding this sort of free-form info, so you have to rely on 
>cottage name and hope that if they can't find our cottage, someone else will 
>be in who can give precise directions. Fortunately our cottage is at the 
>centre of the official map reference for its postcode (as used by satnavs 
>when they are guiding people by postcode, which is the most common way of 
>quickly defining a house address in the UK) so it gets delivery people to 
>the right part of the village to start looking.

I can't give them as much info as you have here, but I do provide more
than they planned for.  I've never had any mail or package stolen, but
for a while one of the delivery companies would, if I wasn't home, just
leave a sticker for another delivery day, or so.

So I moved my address to the second line they give for address and in
the first line, I put No Signature Required. 

Please with that, I shortened my first name to an initial and moved
those 3 words to the name line, sometimes in all capitals. 

Then I put "Hide from view to right" in the first address line. It only
takes them a second to do that, instead of leaving it right in front of
the door. 

I've done this with every shipper I've dealt with.  A couple times I
think I had to violate their software's instructions and a couple times
the software reordered the lines, to put the 3rd line, the one that
started with the street number, 2nd, and the 2nd line, with the
instructions, 3rd, but it let me insist on the way I had it. 

I've been doing this for 10 years now, with no complaints or problems,
and once I saw a delivery man who thanked me for it, for making his job
simple. 


>House numbering patterns are a mystery in some places. In general, a through 
>road (as opposed to a dead end) tends to have even numbers on one side and 
>equivalent odd numbers on the opposite side, so 1 and 2 are more or less 
>opposite. Dead end roads (cul-de-sacs) tend to be numbered consecutively 
>rather than alternate odd/even. But there are lots of exceptions to this, 
>and some notorious streets with duplicated numbers, or else long streets 
>which change their name half way along and start the numbering all over 
>again. My parents live on a long road which runs for about 5 miles between 
>two towns Aylesbury (the larger of the two) and Wendover (the smaller). 
>Originally there were gaps and empty fields between the outskirts of one 
>town, the intervening village and the outskirts of the other town, but now 
>this is gradually getting filled in. You have three sets of house numbers:
>
>- Aylesbury Road, Wendover
>- Wendover Road, Weston Turville or Wendover Road, Stoke Mandeville (*)
>- Wendover Road, Aylesbury
>
>
>(*) Same numbering scheme, but boundary between two villages notionally runs 
>down the middle of the road, so village name indicates which side of the 
>main road: clever!
>
>My parents went through a phase of mail for their house in Wendover Road, 
>Weston Turville being mis-directed to the same number house in Wendover 
>Road, Aylesbury, and vice versa - until a new postman had learned the rules. 
>It doesn't help that their house number is has an "A" suffix (eg 123A) 
>because it was built at a later date and was inserted in a plot of land that 
>had previously belonged to 123 or 125 on one side or the other of it 
>(fictitious numbers used). I suppose when only isolated new houses are built 
>after the numbering has been set in stone, it's easier to add "A" and "B" 
>suffixes to an existing number rather than to renumber the whole street 
>consecutively all over again: as happened to my grandparents twice during 
>the time they lived in one house, and more and more of the roadside fields 
>were filled in with new developments.
>
>Sometimes you find that a new development is given its own road name, even 
>though the houses still front onto a longer street, so you get adjacent 
>houses numbered 1, 3, 5 Old Street, then 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 New Street, then 7, 
>9, 11, ... Old Street. That happened where we used to live: a large mansion 
>had been demolished and five houses built on the land, with new driveways 
>been built from the road to each of the new houses. Rather than renumber the 
>whole street, they gave the new houses a related but different name (X 
>Gardens, when the rest of the road was X Road). 

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#57878

In comp.mobile.android, on Sun, 25 Nov 2018 14:18:37 -0000, "NY"
<me@privacy.net> wrote:

>
>
>House numbering patterns are a mystery in some places. In general, a through 
>road (as opposed to a dead end) tends to have even numbers on one side and 
>equivalent odd numbers on the opposite side, so 1 and 2 are more or less 
>opposite. 

Almost all streets in the USA are like this but in Brooklyn, Atlantic
Avenue about 5 blocks east of the BQE has the street numbers off by 2 or
3 blocks, from one side of the street to another. 

Some (a lot of?) places in the US have laws requiring businesses to have
street numbers and Baltimore County does, but many do not. I would think
they want possible customers to find their business but they don't make
it easy.

>Dead end roads (cul-de-sacs) tend to be numbered consecutively 
>rather than alternate odd/even. But there are lots of exceptions to this, 
>and some notorious streets with duplicated numbers, or else long streets 
>which change their name half way along and start the numbering all over 
>again. My parents live on a long road which runs for about 5 miles between 
>two towns Aylesbury (the larger of the two) and Wendover (the smaller). 
>Originally there were gaps and empty fields between the outskirts of one 

Well, maybe that's what happened on Reisterstown Road in Baltimore. At
any rate, the street numbers start again at some low number, 100?, at
the boundary between Baltimore City and Baltimore County.  (All along
with Harford County were the land of Lord Baltimore, some British guy.) 

I don't know if this happens on the many other streets that lead out of
town. Only one of the others had named towns adjoining Baltimore, and so
they don't mark where border is. 

>town, the intervening village and the outskirts of the other town, but now 
>this is gradually getting filled in. You have three sets of house numbers:
>
>- Aylesbury Road, Wendover
>- Wendover Road, Weston Turville or Wendover Road, Stoke Mandeville (*)
>- Wendover Road, Aylesbury
>
>
>(*) Same numbering scheme, but boundary between two villages notionally runs 
>down the middle of the road, so village name indicates which side of the 
>main road: clever!
>
>My parents went through a phase of mail for their house in Wendover Road, 
>Weston Turville being mis-directed to the same number house in Wendover 
>Road, Aylesbury, and vice versa - until a new postman had learned the rules. 
>It doesn't help that their house number is has an "A" suffix (eg 123A) 
>because it was built at a later date and was inserted in a plot of land that 
>had previously belonged to 123 or 125 on one side or the other of it 
>(fictitious numbers used). I suppose when only isolated new houses are built 
>after the numbering has been set in stone, it's easier to add "A" and "B" 
>suffixes to an existing number rather than to renumber the whole street 
>consecutively all over again: as happened to my grandparents twice during 

In the US, normally lot width is decided when housing is built and
vacant lots get the number even if it's not posted on the lot. 

In the heart of some towns, about 150 years ago or more, when there were
separate or maybe attached houses in back of some houses, they'd add 1/2
to the street number. These haven't' been changed. 

>the time they lived in one house, and more and more of the roadside fields 
>were filled in with new developments.
>
>Sometimes you find that a new development is given its own road name, even 

The big advantage of being a builder is getting to name the streets.  I
used to live around Billy Lane and Nancy Lane.   In Baltimore is Amleht
Court, which is Thelma spelled backwards. 

>though the houses still front onto a longer street, so you get adjacent 
>houses numbered 1, 3, 5 Old Street, then 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 New Street, then 7, 
>9, 11, ... Old Street. That happened where we used to live: a large mansion 
>had been demolished 

Here in many cases the large house that was built first, 50 or 100 years
before the others, remains and smaller ones are built. 

A new development had names like this, even though they knew most of the
buyers would be black and none would be British nobility, Kings Crown
Road, Knights Way, Courtland Manor Road, Princely Way, Friar St., Squire
Tuck Way, Queens Lace St. and get this, Mladies Court.

Columbia Md, which is about half-way between Baltimore and DC, was a
planned community, built on thousands of acres by one developer, and
they were determined not to have any streets that also existed in either
city.  They had a paid committee of people with no special skills to
name the streets, and they came up with Thunder Hill Road,although
looking at the others, they don't seem so weird anymore.

Also there is 10 Mile Road which may be 10 miles from the Baltimore
County border and 7 Mile Lane which is 7 miles from the center of
Baltimore.  There used to be an Inn there because it was as far as a
wagon could get in ?? a half day ??

>and five houses built on the land, with new driveways 
>been built from the road to each of the new houses. Rather than renumber the 
>whole street, they gave the new houses a related but different name (X 
>Gardens, when the rest of the road was X Road). 

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#57880

In message <21ilvd90pcvv8vl4garjrusr4fbbgq9ejm@4ax.com>, micky 
<NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> writes:
[]
>The big advantage of being a builder is getting to name the streets.  I
>used to live around Billy Lane and Nancy Lane.   In Baltimore is Amleht
>Court, which is Thelma spelled backwards.
[]
This one's probably apocryphal: crematoriums (crematoria) are often 
built out in the country. The road leading to one was, naturally enough, 
called Crematorium Road. But when the town nearby grew, and houses 
started to be built at the other end of it, but the residents didn't 
like having that as their address. So it was renamed Burnham Drive ...
-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Have you ever heard about a petition, disagreed with it, but been frustrated
that there's no way you can *show* that you disagree? If so, have a look at
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/232770 - and please pass it on if you
agree, especially to twitter, facebook, gransnet/mumsnet, or any such forum.

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#57916

In comp.mobile.android, on Sun, 25 Nov 2018 20:43:49 +0000, "J. P.
Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> wrote:

>In message <21ilvd90pcvv8vl4garjrusr4fbbgq9ejm@4ax.com>, micky 
><NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> writes:
>[]
>>The big advantage of being a builder is getting to name the streets.  I
>>used to live around Billy Lane and Nancy Lane.   In Baltimore is Amleht
>>Court, which is Thelma spelled backwards.
>[]
>This one's probably apocryphal: crematoriums (crematoria) are often 
>built out in the country. The road leading to one was, naturally enough, 
>called Crematorium Road. But when the town nearby grew, and houses 
>started to be built at the other end of it, but the residents didn't 
>like having that as their address. So it was renamed Burnham Drive ...

That is funny, and you're right, the new name is probably not true.

My friend told me that when Cockeysville became a high income suburb
instead of a little unincorporated area, they named it Hunt Valley.  I'm
not convinced.  Even for a prude, is Cockeysville so bad?     Hunt
valley is a fair name because they do have nearby horse farms, several
steeplechases every summer, and I haven't gone but 25 years ago I was
told they had foxhunts on one weekday morning every week. The woman who
ran a sort of gift shop a half mile away said the major activity was
drinking.  I didn't think I'd fit in and I don't have a horse, and it
was in the morning, and I wasn't invited, so I didnt' go.

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#57868

micky wrote:

> Google shows my house about 2 blocks from where it really is.

Maybe your pizza place could use
<https://map.what3words.com>
to locate you?

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#57871

In message <cj9kvddl4kjgpnaes1ungigguq2k8gjp0o@4ax.com>, micky 
<NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> writes:
>A tale calculated to keep you in suspense
[]
>**The street is shaped like a square, and google seems to have started
>numbering at the SW corner and gone counterclockwise, when in fact the
>numbers start at the NW corner and go clockwise.   So 2 or 3 houses
>somewhere in the middle are probably correct.    Is it worth trying to
>write Google for them to correct this, or is it better this way so my
>enemies can't find me as quickly?

All hail mighty google, just renumber all the houses so they match what 
Google says, you can't fight them (-: ...

Seriously, it looks like you are moderately lucky - in most cases where 
things go to the wrong house, I think the error would be reciprocal (if 
no. 200 is getting no. 35's mail, then no. 35 should be getting no. 
200's, so the two of you could get to know each other. And possibly but 
a prominent sign in the window saying "this is not number XX".

I'm puzzled: do US houses not generally have a prominent number on the 
door/wall/gate/whatever, or, if they do, do US carriers not pay any 
attention to them? There's a round 5 or 6 inch diameter plaque on the 
front of mine with the number in it (some floral decoration around it 
which I wouldn't have chosen [it was there when I bought] but don't 
mind, but the number is clear and IMO unmissable).
-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Have you ever heard about a petition, disagreed with it, but been frustrated
that there's no way you can *show* that you disagree? If so, have a look at
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/232770 - and please pass it on if you
agree, especially to twitter, facebook, gransnet/mumsnet, or any such forum.

Why doesn't DOS ever say "EXCELLENT command or filename!"

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#57872

On 11/25/2018 10:56 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

> I'm puzzled: do US houses not generally have a prominent number on
> the door/wall/gate/whatever, or, if they do, do US carriers not pay
> any attention to them?

All the houses in my area have large lighted house numbers. My housing
development has an e-group and there are posts for missing packages all
the time. Much of the time the mail/package is delivered to the right
number on the wrong street. Sometimes it's missed by a few houses. The
USPS now has an email service the sends me pictures of my mail that will
arrive later the same day. With that I can usually tell if I got all my
mail.

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#57875

On 11/25/2018 10:33 AM, 123456789 wrote:
> On 11/25/2018 10:56 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
>
>> I'm puzzled: do US houses not generally have a prominent number on
>> the door/wall/gate/whatever, or, if they do, do US carriers not pay
>> any attention to them?
>
> All the houses in my area have large lighted house numbers. My housing
> development has an e-group and there are posts for missing packages all
> the time. Much of the time the mail/package is delivered to the right
> number on the wrong street. Sometimes it's missed by a few houses. The
> USPS now has an email service the sends me pictures of my mail that will
> arrive later the same day. With that I can usually tell if I got all my
> mail.

A useful service.  One day I received NONE of the mail I was supposed to 
get, but it all arrived the next day.  I have to wonder if the 
mailperson took an unscheduled/unsanctioned day off.

-- 
Cheers, Bev
   "Faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death."
                                                  -- Hunter S. Thompson

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#57879

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> wrote in message 
news:vLXbVarRJu+bFwje@255soft.uk...
> I'm puzzled: do US houses not generally have a prominent number on the 
> door/wall/gate/whatever, or, if they do, do US carriers not pay any 
> attention to them? There's a round 5 or 6 inch diameter plaque on the 
> front of mine with the number in it (some floral decoration around it 
> which I wouldn't have chosen [it was there when I bought] but don't mind, 
> but the number is clear and IMO unmissable).

I have to visit a lot of houses in my neighbourhood, doing PC repairs and PC 
problem solving for clients. There is a great variation in how well people 
label their houses with number/name, ranging from houses which have 6" high 
digits on the house wall, door or gate, to those who have nothing at all 
anywhere. The worst houses are those where the front door is accessed from a 
footpath, and the parking area where you arrive by car is at the back of the 
house. And the number is on the front door (which is at the back) instead at 
the back of the house (which is at the "front" ie where the road access 
is) - if you're still with me!

I always reckon that a house needs to have a clear number where it can be 
seen from the road, for the benefit of emergency services etc, where every 
second counts. 

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#57881

On 11/25/2018 12:17 PM, NY wrote:

> I always reckon that a house needs to have a clear number where it can be
> seen from the road, for the benefit of emergency services etc, where every
> second counts.

It's worse in a crowded business district where putting up large 
legible-from-50-feet street numbers is apparently regarded as gauche. 
It's a real bitch to drive safely, avoiding moving cars, pedestrians, 
parked cars, cars suddenly stopping etc. while searching for the name 
and/or number of the business you're looking for.  And even WORSE when 
you're in the Chinese shopping district!

-- 
Cheers, Bev
   When your only tool is a hammer, everything looks like a thumb.

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#57921

In comp.mobile.android, on Sun, 25 Nov 2018 14:41:23 -0800, The Real Bev
<bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 11/25/2018 12:17 PM, NY wrote:
>
>> I always reckon that a house needs to have a clear number where it can be
>> seen from the road, for the benefit of emergency services etc, where every
>> second counts.

I don't have a street number on my doorpost or fence but I'm going to
paint the number on my roof. 

>It's worse in a crowded business district where putting up large 
>legible-from-50-feet street numbers is apparently regarded as gauche. 
>It's a real bitch to drive safely, avoiding moving cars, pedestrians, 
>parked cars, cars suddenly stopping etc. while searching for the name 
>and/or number of the business you're looking for.  And even WORSE when 
>you're in the Chinese shopping district!

Exactly. 

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#57923

In message <tt7pvd5i08ef40md4b40p57bvjbt08im91@4ax.com>, micky 
<NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> writes:
>In comp.mobile.android, on Sun, 25 Nov 2018 14:41:23 -0800, The Real Bev
><bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On 11/25/2018 12:17 PM, NY wrote:
>>
>>> I always reckon that a house needs to have a clear number where it can be
>>> seen from the road, for the benefit of emergency services etc, where every
>>> second counts.
>
>I don't have a street number on my doorpost or fence but I'm going to
>paint the number on my roof.
[]
Ready for drone deliveries I presume!
-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Have you ever heard about a petition, disagreed with it, but been frustrated
that there's no way you can *show* that you disagree? If so, have a look at
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/232770 - and please pass it on if you
agree, especially to twitter, facebook, gransnet/mumsnet, or any such forum.

the plural of 'anecdote' is not 'evidence'. Professor Edzart Ernst, prudential
magazine, AUTUMN 2006, p. 13.

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#57920

In comp.mobile.android, on Sun, 25 Nov 2018 17:56:33 +0000, "J. P.
Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> wrote:

>In message <cj9kvddl4kjgpnaes1ungigguq2k8gjp0o@4ax.com>, micky 
><NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> writes:
>>A tale calculated to keep you in suspense
>[]
>>**The street is shaped like a square, and google seems to have started
>>numbering at the SW corner and gone counterclockwise, when in fact the
>>numbers start at the NW corner and go clockwise.   So 2 or 3 houses
>>somewhere in the middle are probably correct.    Is it worth trying to
>>write Google for them to correct this, or is it better this way so my
>>enemies can't find me as quickly?
>
>All hail mighty google, just renumber all the houses so they match what 
>Google says, you can't fight them (-: ...
>
>Seriously, it looks like you are moderately lucky - in most cases where 
>things go to the wrong house, I think the error would be reciprocal (if 
>no. 200 is getting no. 35's mail, then no. 35 should be getting no. 
>200's, so the two of you could get to know each other. And possibly but 
>a prominent sign in the window saying "this is not number XX".

In all these years, I did get a note from Federal Express once, that
gave the recipient's name and said that tomorrow he could pick the
package up at a variety store not far away.   I figured he didn't get
the note so I went to the store, and they had 30 or 40 packages, looked
for it but couldn't find it. 

Asked the store how long before they send it back and they said they
Never send it back?   So I looked in 411.com based on the name, looked
in NextDoor.com, called the president of the HOA to see if she knew (she
didn't call me back), and subtracted 100 from the street address (I've
gotten that mail a few times).   At first I thought no remedy was
possible but it dawned on me that there was tracking and the recipient
probably figured out how to get his package. 
>
>I'm puzzled: do US houses not generally have a prominent number on the 
>door/wall/gate/whatever, 

Almost all do.  Businesses less so, 70 to 90%, even though in Baltmore
there is a law requiring them to have a street number posted.   It's
ridiculous, don't they want customers to find them? 

>or, if they do, do US carriers not pay any 
>attention to them? 

More that they don't pay attention to the address on the mail.   I often
get my next door n'bor's mail and when she was getting married, I got a
few of the RSVP's. Unfortunately that was when I wasnt' reading my mail,
and I only got them to her a week or two before the wedding.  She was
mad at me. But they had actually called those who did not RSVP and their
count was correct. 

Another time I got an invitation to a wedding, addressed to my address,
from someone I didnt' know.  If I'd seen it right away the postman woudl
have taken it back, but I didn't see it until there were only a few days
left.  No phone number so I had to drive into a poor neigborhood in the
city to the return address.  I found the bride and this was her cousin,
they'd talked and he knew when the wedding was (and was going.)  


>There's a round 5 or 6 inch diameter plaque on the 
>front of mine with the number in it (some floral decoration around it 
>which I wouldn't have chosen [it was there when I bought] but don't 
>mind, but the number is clear and IMO unmissable).

Of the 109 houses in this n'hood, I  might be the only one without a
street number.  I took the old ones down, got nicer ones that need
staining and years later, haven't put them up .  But i'm right between
nn34 and nn38 so the delivery men find me.

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#57886

On 11/24/2018 8:59 PM, micky wrote:
> A tale calculated to keep you in suspense
> 
>   Well not that much suspense, but I would appreciate comments.
> 
> Yesterday I got out of the hospital after 2 days (presumably I'm cured)
> and didn't want to cook.  Ordered a pizza to be delivered.
> 
> It was 11:15PM and the parlor was open until 2AM.
> 
> They said 30 to 45 minutes and after 15 minutes I went downstairs to
> wait in the kitchen, right next to the front hall.  After about 45
> minutes I called to tell them that Google shows my house about 2 blocks
> from where it really is. (but it's wrong** for almost every house on
> this 3-block street and they must have delivered to this street before
> and should know that.)
> 
> No answer, no answer twice more at 30 minute intervals. No pizza.
> 
> At 2PM I ate what little food I had.
> 
> I called today and he answered, same guy as yesterday, and he said the
> delivery man waited 30 minutes outside my house but I never answered the
> phone.   And that he himself called me 3 times.
> 
> 
> I have had trouble getting my phone to ring in the past, the volume
> would mysteriously go down to zero, but yesterday I got a call around
> noon and it rang fine, and right after I called today, I called myself
> from the landline and it worked fine.
> 
> 
> I get 4 bars on my phone throughout the house.
> 
> 
> 
> I asked him to deliver it again and he wanted to verify the last 4
> digits of the credit card and 20 minutes later it was there.  The
> delivery man said he wasn't the one from last night.   He didn't call
> from the car because it was daylight, but he knocked so lightly I barely
> heard it.
> 
> So what happened.  Did my phone not work, or did he not deliver but used
> this as an excuse?
> 
> They've been in business for at least 10 years, they were prompt today,
> they didn't send a pie from last night but a fresh one.
> 
> OTOH, how could my phone not work?
> 
> 
> **The street is shaped like a square, and google seems to have started
> numbering at the SW corner and gone counterclockwise, when in fact the
> numbers start at the NW corner and go clockwise.   So 2 or 3 houses
> somewhere in the middle are probably correct.    Is it worth trying to
> write Google for them to correct this, or is it better this way so my
> enemies can't find me as quickly?
> 

I contacted google once to tell them that they had a dirt "road" on my 
father's property named wrong. No response. I did it again months later, 
and the name then changed by the next time I checked.

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#57892

"Bob F" <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:ptfrva$20g$1@dont-email.me...
> I contacted google once to tell them that they had a dirt "road" on my 
> father's property named wrong. No response. I did it again months later, 
> and the name then changed by the next time I checked.

The big problem is satnav devices and software which offer impassable roads 
as a route between places. Near where we live there is a short 1/4 mile 
section of track that was once an important road across from one dale to the 
next - a century or more ago! It's been closed to all traffic as long as 
I've known it (mid 70s) and probably for many decades before that. There's 
no evidence that it has ever had a tarmac surface, once you get past the 
farms that it serves. Even tractors would have great difficult getting along 
part of it because the ruts are so deep that the wheels would go into mud up 
to their axles - where the mud washes down from the slope of the land on 
either side.

And yet it used to be offered as a route on some satnav software - mainly 
PC-based, before the days of dedicated TomTom and Garmin devices. I remember 
emailing one of the data providers to tell them about it, and they actually 
responded to say that they had removed it from their routing table when I 
informed them.

The other problem can be road junctions which no longer exist - or have 
never existed. Near where I used to live, a busy dual carriageway crosses 
over a minor road between villages. Looking at old 1970s maps, it looks as 
if there were plans for a junction, though I'm not sure whether it was built 
and later closed, or whether it never got beyond the planning stage. Someone 
evidently looked at an old map, saw what looked like a junction, and added 
it to the routing table. Again, an email with photo and scan of OS map 
(before the days of Google Streetview) soon sorted that out.

Fortunately when the A1 ("Great North Road") in North Yorkshire was upgraded 
from ordinary dual carriageway to motorway (which involved closing a lot of 
the junctions with minor roads) satnav software was updated very quickly, 
otherwise you'd have had people being directed down minor roads to get onto 
the A1, and finding that the road finished at a dead end or else a bridge 
over with no actual junction. However we're still waiting for the satnav 
built into my wife's car to be updated after a new bypass further north was 
built about 2 years ago. Obviously we know about the bypass, but it's still 
useful to have accurate information so it gives the correct distance to the 
new junction and offers that bypass as a more preferable route than any of 
the existing roads. Sadly Garmin are not very good about telling you when 
they will add a new road to the database, or even showing what roads their 
software currently knows about: the map on their site is a Google-type map 
which doesn't necessarily reflect what their route database knows about. I 
spent the best part of a day downloading the updated database and software 
(about 4 GB) over our 1.5 Mbps internet, only to find that the "new" road 
still hadn't been added. What is needed is a list showing all the changes 
between one version and the next, so you can work out when it is sensible to 
update.

My car doesn't have satnav, and I tend to use Here We Go (aka HereMaps) on 
my Android phone if I need directions. The database of that was updated very 
soon after the road opened, so changes *can* be made quickly if there is a 
will to do so. Also the app and offline database are a *lot* smaller to 
download. I chose HereMaps because it can work offline and doesn't depend on 
mobile internet to download the next tile of the map, given that mobile 
coverage is very patchy, even alongside major roads like the A1(M). 

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