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Why would iOS be safer from spying than a well setup Android phone?

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First post	2016-08-02 19:37 +0000
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#33275

From	Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com>
Date	2016-08-10 08:37 -0700
Message-ID	<nofho5$867$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to	#33272

On Wed, 10 Aug 2016 08:37:11 -0500, joe wrote:

> I think your spelling of 'primitive' should actually be 'secure' 
> as many of the traits you call primitive are a result of an 
> implementation that is more secure.

I realized only recently that you Apple apologists think such unreasonable
things simply because your primary motive for choosing an operating system
is based on sheer unadulterated *fear*.

Therefore, without any facts whatsoever, you easily fall for Mommy Apple
Marketing tricks where they play all of you like a fiddle by sweetly
telling you that the blue hairy monster in the closet can't get out if you
simply close the closet door. 

Facts aren't something you know how to deal with.
You listen to Mommy Apple Marketing, and you trust her.

However, you can't fool someone like me who has both the primitive iOS and
the more advanced Android operating system.

I try the same things on both operating systems because my mobile device
needs are the same irrespective of the operating system.

So I know that the iOS operating system is primitive.
It's nowhere near as customizable to the user as is Android.

The fact is that iOS is so primitive that even I have to "just give up" on
doing what I want with it. 

The fact is that you "just give up" so often that you don't even *think*
about it anymore. You just give up all the time. 

For example, you simply accept that you can't possibly organize your
desktop the way you want to organize it.

As just one of almost a score of examples I've already provided, today I
reset my Android phone to factory defaults and then I re-installed all my
apps, and set up my desktop, all without using a single computer or cloud.

Here is what my desktop looks like:
http://i.cubeupload.com/FDrkG8.png

Now, try any of *that* with the primitive iOS.
You can't do it on iOS.
Even "I" can't do it on iOS.

That's because iOS is primitive.
It has nothing to do with "security".
ioS is just primitive. Period.

On the primitive iOS, you have to "just give up" all the time.

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#33277

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2016-08-10 17:43 +0000
Message-ID	<e117diF3iqtU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#33271

On 2016-08-10, Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> wrote:
>
> Wanna see *my* home screen on Android?
> I'm not embarrassed to show it.
> http://i.cubeupload.com/FDrkG8.png

Your idiotic Christmas tree layout is fucking ugly; you should be
embarrassed.

> Try *that* on your primitive non-customizable iOS!

No need to try it, and wouldn't want something that fugly anyway. Many
people actually like the iOS launcher and find it plenty useful even if
it doesn't fit with your idiotic "my way or you suck" rigid world view. 

> How do you completely eliminate the AdID on your primitive non-customizable
> iOS?

You haven't shown that you can completely eliminated it on Android. You
hid it, and then just gave up.

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#33332

From	Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com>
Date	2016-08-14 02:41 +0000
Message-ID	<noolos$10oc$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to	#33277

On 10 Aug 2016 17:43:15 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> Your idiotic Christmas tree layout is fucking ugly; you should be
> embarrassed.

I originally had a circle, with the phone in the center, and the apps
ringed around it in two concentric circles, most important apps and folders
in the inside.

But I like the pyramid because it's the universal building block with the
most-often used apps on top.

Let's see what *your* desktop looks like.
:)

> No need to try it, and wouldn't want something that fugly anyway. 

There are so many things you "just can't do" on the more primitive iOS.

One of them is the ability to put app icons anywhere you like. 
That's like being stuck in the stone age of desktop guis.

Another thing you can't do on the primitive iOS is put apps icons in
multiple places. Again, you're stuck in the stone age.

And, another thing you have to do in the primitive iOS is build your own
App Drawer app from scratch.

Modern operating system launchers have all that, and (far) more.
On iOS, you "just can't do it".

> Many people actually like the iOS launcher and find it plenty useful even if
> it doesn't fit with your idiotic "my way or you suck" rigid world view. 

You see?
Do you see how you completely missed the point?

It's *you* who has the one-button-mouse mentality.

You can't see any other way of doing things but the one-button-mouse way
that Apple Marketing sees fit to provide to you.

Yet, you don't even realize that if we wanted to set up our systems the way
you set up yours, we could. We can set them up *any* way we like.

You see, we have a multi-button-mouse mentality.
You are forever stuck in the rigid primitive one-button-mouse world.

You even see having the ability of any solution as a drawback!
That's proof positive you're stuck in the primitive one-button-mouse
mentality!

As a whole, iOS users can think in only single-vector solutions.

And, when they see a multi-vector solution - they ridiculously deprecate
it, even though it can do everything they can do - and far (far) more.

>> How do you completely eliminate the AdID on your primitive non-customizable
>> iOS?
> 
> You haven't shown that you can completely eliminated it on Android. You
> hid it, and then just gave up.

Heh heh ... I'm trying really hard not to say how stupid you sound in your
every breath.

I should be more gentle with you so I will only mention that, as above, we
can do *everything* you can do, and more. 

It's trivial for us to get rid of the AdID. 
You can't do it.

Not only that, but you claim there are little green monsters among us
(since you live in fear) and then when I say show me where you get that
idea, you repeat your made-up claim that the little green monsters are
among us.

You provide zero proof of these little green monsters, whereas I showed
exactly how to eliminate them.

The reason you repeat your entirely made-up claim about the little green
monsters among us is simply that you can't do it. 

You can't eliminate the Appleware spy id. 
We can.

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#33334

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date	2016-08-14 00:07 -0400
Message-ID	<140820160007261570%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to	#33332

In article <noolos$10oc$2@gioia.aioe.org>, Aardvarks
<aardvarks@a.b.c.com> wrote:

> On 10 Aug 2016 17:43:15 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
> 
> > Your idiotic Christmas tree layout is fucking ugly; you should be
> > embarrassed.
> 
> I originally had a circle, with the phone in the center, and the apps
> ringed around it in two concentric circles, most important apps and folders
> in the inside.
> 
> But I like the pyramid because it's the universal building block with the
> most-often used apps on top.
> 
> Let's see what *your* desktop looks like.
> :)
>   
> > No need to try it, and wouldn't want something that fugly anyway. 
> 
> There are so many things you "just can't do" on the more primitive iOS.
> 
> One of them is the ability to put app icons anywhere you like. 
> That's like being stuck in the stone age of desktop guis.

first of all it's not a desktop gui.

second, while you're obsessing over how to arrange your icons in pretty
shapes, ios is being used to help people do things they otherwise could
not do, such as this 10 year old, who uses an iphone (not android) to
get his hearing back:
<http://abc7news.com/health/new-tech-stanford-help-morgan-hill-boy-get-h
earing-back/1437705/>
  We were there as Joshua was outfitted with the Cochlear Baha 5, a
  cutting edge device that has allowed Joshua to hear out of both ears
  clearly for the very first time.

  The device, made for the iPhone, gives him an opportunity to use
  Apple technology to better his life.

there's also a logic analyzer, ios only:
<https://www.oscium.com/logic-analyzers/logiscope>
a digital oscilloscope, ios only:
<https://www.oscium.com/oscilloscopes/imso-104>

and a sequencer, ios only:
<http://www.steinberg.net/en/products/mobile_apps/cubasis/start.html>

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#33351

From	Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com>
Date	2016-08-14 22:23 +0000
Message-ID	<noqr1t$4i6$4@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to	#33334

On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 00:07:26 -0400, nospam wrote:

> and a sequencer, ios only:
> <http://www.steinberg.net/en/products/mobile_apps/cubasis/start.html>

Again, you must be used to talking to people who *believe* everything Mommy
Apple Marketing tells them, because it's always going to be the case that
iOS *limits* what you can do.

That's because iOS is not only primitive, but limited.

While I am no expert in "sequencers", a simple search for the terms in that
web page you provided with the word "android" appended shows a *lot* of
"sequencers" for Android.

I'm not gonna read them all simply because I, myself, don't have the
background to compare, but others do, so I simply provide the URLs...

Music writer - Android Midi sequencer/Deep compositional tool 
http://www.musicalandroid.com/blog/category/sequencer

8 Great Musical Production Tools for Android
https://android.appstorm.net/roundups/music-roundups/musical-production-apps-for-android/

The 10 Best Music making apps for Android
http://getandroidstuff.com/the-best-music-making-apps-for-android/

Best Android Apps for Recording and Editing Music on the Go
http://www.junauza.com/2014/09/best-android-apps-for-recording-and-editing-music-on-the-go.html

The best Android music making apps in the world today
http://www.musicradar.com/news/tech/the-best-android-music-making-apps-in-the-world-today-276167

6 Pro MIDI Sequencer Apps for Android and iOS
http://www.higheredtechdecisions.com/article/pro_midi_sequencer_apps_for_android_and_ios/Mobility

For anything you want to do, Android will *always* have more choices than
iOS will have.

Fact is, it's always gonna be the case that iOS limits the user.

That's not so much because iOS is primitive but because iOS limits the
user's ability to get things done.

On iOS, the user is used to just giving up.

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#33362

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date	2016-08-14 19:00 -0400
Message-ID	<140820161900018650%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to	#33351

In article <noqr1t$4i6$4@gioia.aioe.org>, Aardvarks
<aardvarks@a.b.c.com> wrote:

> 
> > and a sequencer, ios only:
> > <http://www.steinberg.net/en/products/mobile_apps/cubasis/start.html>
> 
> Again, you must be used to talking to people who *believe* everything Mommy
> Apple Marketing tells them, because it's always going to be the case that
> iOS *limits* what you can do.
> 
> That's because iOS is not only primitive, but limited.

wrong.

> While I am no expert in "sequencers", a simple search for the terms in that
> web page you provided with the word "android" appended shows a *lot* of
> "sequencers" for Android.

a simple search doesn't mean anything. what you found are crap because
of audio latencies inherent to android. 

the latencies re getting better, but it still is worse than on ios,
which is why the best audio apps are on ios, not android, even using
old year old ios hardware (i.e., not top of the line). 

<http://www.androidauthority.com/horrendous-android-audio-latency-624171
/>
  Results compiled by Nervous Systems using data collected by the
  SuperPowered measurement application, which we talked about before,
  show that the most popular Android handsets are still far too slow at
  providing a round-trip from jack/mic to speaker for real-time audio
  processing. The results from the 20 most popular phones can be seen
  below.

<http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/11/13/android-audio-latency-in-depth-
its-getting-better-especially-with-the-nexus-5x-and-6p/>
  Unfortunately, iOS has always been way ahead of Android in terms of
  audio latency. Even iOS devices as old as the iPhone 4S (and much
  older) have average latency levels of about 7 ms. That's fifty times
  less than the average latency for Android devices in 2011. That much
  of a difference can easily translate to a comparatively horrible
  experience on Android, to the point where it simply became comically
  bad. In the video below, you can see a comparison of two drum
  kit apps running on both an iPad and an Android tablet on Ice Cream
  Sandwich. Listen out for the lag between the tap on the screen and
  the sound of the snare and cymbals.

> I'm not gonna read them all simply because I, myself, don't have the
> background to compare, but others do, so I simply provide the URLs...

they don't compare. period.

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#33352

From	Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com>
Date	2016-08-14 22:24 +0000
Message-ID	<noqr21$4i6$5@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to	#33334

On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 00:07:26 -0400, nospam wrote:

> there's also a logic analyzer, ios only:
> <https://www.oscium.com/logic-analyzers/logiscope>

You must be used to talking to Apple people only.

Again, you cherry pick as if you're used to dealing only with Apple owners
who don't know the first thing about doublechecking their sources!

Sure, for $200, "LogiScope transforms your iPhone, iPad, iPod into a 100
MHz, 16 channel logic analyzer".

But, guess what?
A simple search shows that far better tools exist that perform the same
functionality on Android (for free!).

And most work on *all* standard platforms *except* iOS!

For example, here is open-source logic-analyzer software, which works on
all platforms *except* iOS (i.e., Android, Linux, Mac OS X, Windows,
FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, x86, ARM, Sparc, PowerPC, etc.).
https://sigrok.org/

Here, is another one that pops up early in the search, where it's cross
platform (which such things should be) on Android, Linux, Windows, OSX,
and, oh, BTW, not iOS unless it's jailbroken!):
https://www.lab-nation.com/

So, as always, you're actually *limited* by the primitive and highly
restrictive iOS operating system such that you have to pay far more just to
get done what others can do for free on the more modern open operating
systems.

Here's an open-source 100MS/s Oscilloscope for iPad, Android and PC:
http://powerelectronics.com/blog/first-100mss-open-source-oscilloscope-ipad-android-and-pc

As always, you're *limited* by iOS, as explained in that last article
(verbatim):
 "Although the required functionality (USB-OTG) is becoming a standard for
Android devices the past few years, we were not able to get cooperation
from Apple (yet ;). As such, our team set out to start from jailbroken iOS
devices, and hack our way to the USB controller, which we eventually
succeeded in. However, this means the SmartScope will only be recognized in
case you apply a jailbreak patch to your iOS smartphone..."

You cherry pick, but you are so used to dealing with non-technical Apple
buyers that you forget that not everything Apple Marketing Mommy tells you
is true.

In this case of a logic analyzer, you can pay $200 for one that works with
a non-jailbroken iOS device - or - for free - you can get a better one that
works with Android (and every other operating system *but* iOS!).

As always, the primitive iOS limits the user's ability to get things done.

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#33360

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date	2016-08-14 18:59 -0400
Message-ID	<140820161859588478%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to	#33352

In article <noqr21$4i6$5@gioia.aioe.org>, Aardvarks
<aardvarks@a.b.c.com> wrote:

> 
> > there's also a logic analyzer, ios only:
> > <https://www.oscium.com/logic-analyzers/logiscope>
> 
> You must be used to talking to Apple people only.
> 
> Again, you cherry pick as if you're used to dealing only with Apple owners
> who don't know the first thing about doublechecking their sources!
> 
> Sure, for $200, "LogiScope transforms your iPhone, iPad, iPod into a 100
> MHz, 16 channel logic analyzer".
> 
> But, guess what?
> A simple search shows that far better tools exist that perform the same
> functionality on Android (for free!).

bullshit.

the above product is a combination of hardware and software and nobody
is giving out free hardware.

> And most work on *all* standard platforms *except* iOS!
> 
> For example, here is open-source logic-analyzer software, which works on
> all platforms *except* iOS (i.e., Android, Linux, Mac OS X, Windows,
> FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, x86, ARM, Sparc, PowerPC, etc.).
> https://sigrok.org/

where's the hardware?

> Here, is another one that pops up early in the search, where it's cross
> platform (which such things should be) on Android, Linux, Windows, OSX,
> and, oh, BTW, not iOS unless it's jailbroken!):
> https://www.lab-nation.com/

$229, which is *more* than the one i linked, and doesn't work as well
either.

another fail.

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#33353

From	Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com>
Date	2016-08-14 22:24 +0000
Message-ID	<noqr25$4i6$6@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to	#33334

On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 00:07:26 -0400, nospam wrote:

> ios is being used to help people do things they otherwise could
> not do, such as this 10 year old, who uses an iphone (not android) to
> get his hearing back:
> <http://abc7news.com/health/new-tech-stanford-help-morgan-hill-boy-get-h
> earing-back/1437705/>
>   We were there as Joshua was outfitted with the Cochlear Baha 5, a
>   cutting edge device that has allowed Joshua to hear out of both ears
>   clearly for the very first time.
> 
>   The device, made for the iPhone, gives him an opportunity to use
>   Apple technology to better his life.

You always cherry pick, which is OK, but when you cherry pick, you
completely ignore the other side of the coin (as if it doesn't exist).

Are you so used to talking only with Apple Apologists that you never check
your sources?

Do you realize a search for hearing aid smartphone compatibility comes up
with tons of hearing aids applications for both Android and for iOS?

For example:
The Top 6 Mobile Apps for Hearing Aids and Hearing Loss
https://www.audicus.com/six-mobile-hearing-loss-apps/

Hearing Aids and Smart Phone Compatibility
http://www.appalachianaudiology.com/hearing-aid-and-smart-phone-compatability.php

ReSound Announces Smart Hearing Aid Technology for Android
http://www.hearingreview.com/2015/01/resound-announces-smart-hearing-solutions-android/

Android & iOS Apps for Siemens Hearing Aids
https://usa.bestsoundtechnology.com/services-information/apps/

Beltone SmartRemote App to remotely control hearing aids:
https://www.beltone.com/apps/smart-remote-app.aspx

Best Android apps for hearing aids:
http://appcrawlr.com/android-apps/best-apps-hearing-aid

etc.

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#33359

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date	2016-08-14 18:59 -0400
Message-ID	<140820161859578426%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to	#33353

In article <noqr25$4i6$6@gioia.aioe.org>, Aardvarks
<aardvarks@a.b.c.com> wrote:

> 
> > ios is being used to help people do things they otherwise could
> > not do, such as this 10 year old, who uses an iphone (not android) to
> > get his hearing back:
> > <http://abc7news.com/health/new-tech-stanford-help-morgan-hill-boy-get-h
> > earing-back/1437705/>
> >   We were there as Joshua was outfitted with the Cochlear Baha 5, a
> >   cutting edge device that has allowed Joshua to hear out of both ears
> >   clearly for the very first time.
> > 
> >   The device, made for the iPhone, gives him an opportunity to use
> >   Apple technology to better his life.
> 
> You always cherry pick, which is OK, but when you cherry pick, you
> completely ignore the other side of the coin (as if it doesn't exist).

i never said the other side doesn't exist. stop lying

i said that both platforms do certain things the other can't. pick the
best tool for the job. 

> Are you so used to talking only with Apple Apologists that you never check
> your sources?
> 
> Do you realize a search for hearing aid smartphone compatibility comes up
> with tons of hearing aids applications for both Android and for iOS?

you didn't even read the original article.

he's not using a standard hearing aid. he *can't* *use* a standard
hearing aid.

  "He would have drainage from his ears, odors from his ears," said
  Amelia.

  That meant in-ear hearing aids were off the table. So last fall,
  doctors tried a different type of implant.

the only solution is with an implant that only works with an iphone,
which means *none* of the apps you found will help. none of them. it's
iphone or be deaf.

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#33354

From	Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com>
Date	2016-08-14 22:24 +0000
Message-ID	<noqr27$4i6$7@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to	#33334

On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 00:07:26 -0400, nospam wrote:

> first of all it's not a desktop gui.

My point was that the iOS GUI is as primitive as the Windows/Linux GUI.

> second, while you're obsessing over how to arrange your icons in pretty
> shapes, ios is being used to help people do things they otherwise could
> not do,

I already listed almost a score of things that you "just can't do" on iOS;
and where I've found a few more in the interim.

For example, how do you set app defaults?

On Android (as on desktops), when you first open a file type, a dialog box
comes up asking what you want to edit it with (e.g., text with your text
editors, video with your video players, images with your image editors,
markup with your web browsers, etc.).

You can select a particular editor/viewer, or, you can set any particular
editor/viewer to be the default, where the list of available
editors/viewers is only limited to what you've installed.

Can you do that on iOS for all file types?

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#33372

From	tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net>
Date	2016-08-14 23:35 -0400
Message-ID	<19oi3mb002xwc$.1rrdwnuu2k9e1$.dlg@40tude.net>
In reply to	#33354

On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 22:24:08 +0000 (UTC), Aardvarks wrote:

> On Android (as on desktops), when you first open a file type, a dialog box
> comes up asking what you want to edit it with

Never happened in v. 2.3.5 on my Moto Droid X2 when the Kindle for Android
that I installed there opened its first .mobi file. What did I do wrong? I
have to bend over backward now to get a .mobi file to open in Kindle there.

Cheers, -- tlvp

BTW: no iOS comparisons because I have no iOS device to compare to. -- tlvp
-- 
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

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#33386

From	Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com>
Date	2016-08-16 00:10 +0000
Message-ID	<notll1$1u2i$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to	#33372

On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 23:35:58 -0400, tlvp wrote:

> Never happened in v. 2.3.5 on my Moto Droid X2 when the Kindle for Android
> that I installed there opened its first .mobi file. What did I do wrong? I
> have to bend over backward now to get a .mobi file to open in Kindle there.
> 
> Cheers, -- tlvp
> 
> BTW: no iOS comparisons because I have no iOS device to compare to. -- tlvp

On Android, it works like it's supposed to work.

1. You can unset any specific file association or unset them all.
2. Then you can set any specific file association, or leave it at the
default.

On iOS, I don't think you have any choice.

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#33393

From	tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net>
Date	2016-08-15 23:51 -0400
Message-ID	<olkypzgyz6yi.gz0zztvqkk4x$.dlg@40tude.net>
In reply to	#33386

On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 00:10:10 +0000 (UTC), Aardvarks wrote:

> On Android, it works like it's supposed to work.
> 
> 1. You can unset any specific file association or unset them all.

Really? How? (I ask because I can't, on my Moto Droid X2 w/ A, v.2.3.5).

> 2. Then you can set any specific file association, or leave it at the
> default.

Again I must ask: how? (Cuz I haven't found out how o my own.)

> On iOS, I don't think you have any choice.

I'm not concerned with iOS. I have no product running iOS.

Just tell me how I can get my Android to offer "open with Kindle for
Android" as an option when I try to run a .mobi or an .azw file, and I'll
be forever in your debt :-) . 

(As things stand, I must copy the .mobi or the .azw from the external
microSD card into a special "kindle" directory within the very cramped area
that the phone glibly refers to as its "Internal phone storage", and then
hope that the Kindle for Android app spots that new file when it's reopened
and kindly offers to let me read it. But that's a kludge!)

Thanks. Cheers, -- tlvp

PS: in case of confusion, please understand that the "its" in that last
parenthetical aside refers to the phone, the "it's" refers to the Kindle
for Android app, and the "it" refers to the .mobi or .azw file ... and
forgive, please, my sloppy writing. Thanks. And cheers, again, -- tlvp
-- 
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

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#33394

From	AL <noemail@none.com>
Date	2016-08-15 22:11 -0700
Message-ID	<Yfxsz.21284$oF2.3720@fx13.iad>
In reply to	#33393

tlvp wrote:

> I must copy the .mobi or the .azw from the external
> microSD card into a special "kindle" directory
> within the very cramped area
> that the phone glibly refers to as its "Internal phone storage",

Try plugging the phone into a PC where it turns into a 
drive. Then use the Windows file manager to make the 
transfers. Not so cramped that way.

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#33398

From	Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com>
Date	2016-08-16 06:42 +0000
Message-ID	<noucl3$mqd$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to	#33393

On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 23:51:06 -0400, tlvp wrote:

>> 1. You can unset any specific file association or unset them all.
> 
> Really? How? (I ask because I can't, on my Moto Droid X2 w/ A, v.2.3.5).

It's so easy that you're gonna be embarrassed! :)

I'm on Android 4.3 on a Samsung Galaxy S3. 
I go to the Android "Options > More > Application Manager" and then I hit
the hard menu (hamburger) button, and up pops a menu to "Reset app
preferences". 

Here is a screenshot for you that I just bluetoothed over to my PC.
http://i.cubeupload.com/CjPxuS.gif

>> 2. Then you can set any specific file association, or leave it at the
>> default.
> 
> Again I must ask: how? (Cuz I haven't found out how o my own.)

Ummm... it's so easy it's hard to describe because it just happens.
For example, after I reset the app preferences above, the very next time I
want to open (for edit or read) any file, Android will *ask* me (just like
all other modern operating systems) what app I want to use.

For example, I navigated with ES File Explorer to my call recording folder,
which has *.wav files in it, and tapped on an arbitrary *.wav file.

Up popped the following form asking me what installed program I want to use
to listen to that *.wav file (also allowing me to set it as the default).
- ES Chromecast Player
- ES Media Player
- Google Play Music
- Sound player
- VLC

Here is a screenshot of that action that I just bluetoothed over to my PC:
http://i.cubeupload.com/Y3XvcU.gif

>> On iOS, I don't think you have any choice.
> 
> I'm not concerned with iOS. I have no product running iOS.

I have most operating systems, so I *am* concerned, especially since the
iOS guys are kooks who think they're *safer* because Apple Marketing told
them that (and they believed it).

> Just tell me how I can get my Android to offer "open with Kindle for
> Android" as an option when I try to run a .mobi or an .azw file, and I'll
> be forever in your debt :-) . 

Well, I don't have a *mobi or a *.azw file, but, as a test, I created one
of each using ES File Explorer on my external SD card.

When I clicked on each, it simply said "Sorry, no application available",
which makes sense because I don't even know what a mobi or azw file is.
http://i.cubeupload.com/nDQXfR.gif

However, I then made a file "foo.amr" on my external SD card, and when I
clicked on it, it asked me what I wanted to use to open the file.
http://i.cubeupload.com/igKS08.gif

So, had I an application that knew what a mobi or azw file, it would have
done the same for me.

It's that easy.

> (As things stand, I must copy the .mobi or the .azw from the external
> microSD card into a special "kindle" directory within the very cramped area
> that the phone glibly refers to as its "Internal phone storage", and then
> hope that the Kindle for Android app spots that new file when it's reopened
> and kindly offers to let me read it. But that's a kludge!)

I can't imagine why the *directory* makes any difference.
Doesn't Android key off of the filename extension, just like Windows does?

BTW, if you *must* copy files to a certain folder, I would recommend the
best freeware file redirecter. It automagically moves files based on almost
any criteria, but one of them can be the file name extension.

BTW, be careful looking for the best redirect file organizer since *lots*
of them stink. This is the best, bar none:

Redirect File Organizer by Xavier Tobin 
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tobino.redirectsfree

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#33457

From	tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net>
Date	2016-08-16 19:25 -0400
Message-ID	<msffjqxvq81r$.oopkq1qqd1iv.dlg@40tude.net>
In reply to	#33398

On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 06:42:44 +0000 (UTC), Aardvarks wrote:

> On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 23:51:06 -0400, tlvp wrote:
> 
>>> 1. You can unset any specific file association or unset them all.
>> 
>> Really? How? (I ask because I can't, on my Moto Droid X2 w/ A, v.2.3.5).
> 
> It's so easy that you're gonna be embarrassed! :)

I'd be overjoyed were that to be the case :-) .
 
> I'm on Android 4.3 on a Samsung Galaxy S3. 
> I go to the Android "Options > More > Application Manager" and then I hit
> the hard menu (hamburger) button, and up pops a menu to "Reset app
> preferences". 

Here on Android 2.3.5 there's no "Options >". So there's no such tap-path.

There is a hard menu button, though, and pressing it at a home screen
delivers an option Manage Apps. Once that's tapped, I certainly see Amazon
Kindle, but if I select that as the app to manage, my only choices are
Uninstall, Clear cache, and Share. There's an informational "Launch by
default" heading with the info "No defaults set" and an inactive,
grayed-out "Clear defaults" button. Nothing about "app preferences". 

How embarrassing. 
 
>>> 2. Then you can set any specific file association, or leave it at the
>>> default.
>> 
>> Again I must ask: how? (Cuz I haven't found out how o my own.)

I reconfirm: I must still ask "how?"

> Ummm... it's so easy it's hard to describe because it just happens.
> For example, after I reset the app preferences above, the very next time I
> want to open (for edit or read) any file, Android will *ask* me (just like
> all other modern operating systems) what app I want to use.

Sounds like something you Android 4 does that my Android 2.3.5 doesn't do.

> For example, I navigated with ES File Explorer to my call recording folder,
> which has *.wav files in it, and tapped on an arbitrary *.wav file.
> 
> Up popped the following form asking me what installed program I want to use
> to listen to that *.wav file (also allowing me to set it as the default).
> - ES Chromecast Player
> - ES Media Player
> - Google Play Music
> - Sound player
> - VLC

Bravo! I wish mine would be so considerate :-) .
 
> Here is a screenshot of that action that I just bluetoothed over to my PC:
> http://i.cubeupload.com/Y3XvcU.gif

Not to worry, I believe you.

>>> On iOS, I don't think you have any choice.
>> 
>> I'm not concerned with iOS. I have no product running iOS.
> 
> I have most operating systems, so I *am* concerned, especially since the
> iOS guys are kooks who think they're *safer* because Apple Marketing told
> them that (and they believed it).

No matter how concerned you are with iOS, I'm not. Now the BlackBerry
PlayBook OS, *that* could concern me; but not in this thread, thanks :-) .

>> Just tell me how I can get my Android to offer "open with Kindle for
>> Android" as an option when I try to run a .mobi or an .azw file, and I'll
>> be forever in your debt :-) . 
> 
> Well, I don't have a *mobi or a *.azw file, but, as a test, I created one
> of each using ES File Explorer on my external SD card.
> 
> When I clicked on each, it simply said "Sorry, no application available", ...

Exactly what happens to me, too.

> which makes sense because I don't even know what a mobi or azw file is.
> http://i.cubeupload.com/nDQXfR.gif
> 
> However, I then made a file "foo.amr" on my external SD card, and when I
> clicked on it, it asked me what I wanted to use to open the file.
> http://i.cubeupload.com/igKS08.gif
> 
> So, had I an application that knew what a mobi or azw file, it would have
> done the same for me.
> 
> It's that easy.

But I *have* an application that knows what a .mobi and what a .azw file
are, and knows how to open them, too. (That's the Amazon Kindle for Android
app.) But the part of the Android UI that knows it has no idea what to use
to open them does *not* have the humility to ask me "what I wanted to use
to open the file." So 'tain't "that easy."

>> (As things stand, I must copy the .mobi or the .azw from the external
>> microSD card into a special "kindle" directory within the very cramped area
>> that the phone glibly refers to as its "Internal phone storage", and then
>> hope that the Kindle for Android app spots that new file when it's reopened
>> and kindly offers to let me read it. But that's a kludge!)
> 
> I can't imagine why the *directory* makes any difference.
> Doesn't Android key off of the filename extension, just like Windows does?

Amazon Kindle only looks in that one directory -- named kindle, in Internal
storage -- for candidate Kindle books to open.
 
> BTW, if you *must* copy files to a certain folder, I would recommend the
> best freeware file redirecter. It automagically moves files based on almost
> any criteria, but one of them can be the file name extension.

The inbuilt 2.3.5 Files app does that just fine already easy as pi, thanks.

> BTW, be careful looking for the best redirect file organizer since *lots*
> of them stink. This is the best, bar none:
> 
> Redirect File Organizer by Xavier Tobin 
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tobino.redirectsfree

Forget sending me there -- it doesn't like my 2.3.5 browser, and it doesn't
like my 2.3.5 Play Store app, either. My only choice is to sideload stuff.

Still: now what, Kimosabi? Cheers, & thanks, -- tlvp
-- 
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

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#33459

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date	2016-08-16 19:58 -0400
Message-ID	<160820161958568852%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to	#33457

In article <msffjqxvq81r$.oopkq1qqd1iv.dlg@40tude.net>, tlvp
<mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> wrote:
 
> Here on Android 2.3.5

yikes. time to upgrade.

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#33461

From	tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net>
Date	2016-08-17 01:21 -0400
Message-ID	<vv6pr5yvstqa.t914kcdpfcsu.dlg@40tude.net>
In reply to	#33459

On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 19:58:56 -0400, nospam wrote:

> In article <msffjqxvq81r$.oopkq1qqd1iv.dlg@40tude.net>, tlvp
> <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> wrote:
>  
>> Here on Android 2.3.5
> 
> yikes. time to upgrade.

I quite agree, but neither Motorola nor Google seems interested in helping.

Ideas? Thanks. Cheers, -- tlvp
-- 
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

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#33462

From	AL <noemail@none.com>
Date	2016-08-16 23:11 -0700
Message-ID	<RdTsz.236$x86.207@fx06.iad>
In reply to	#33461

tlvp wrote:

 > nospam wrote:

>> tlvp wrote:

>>> Here on Android 2.3.5
>>
>> yikes. time to upgrade.
>
> I quite agree, but neither Motorola nor
 > Google seems interested in helping.

How about a Motorola Droid Turbo 2 with 6.0?
Only had mine a month but so far I am quite
pleased. Its claim to fame is an unbreakable
screen. Some guy actually ran it over with
a car just to test it. Lots of drop tests
also. In many of the tests the phone was
damaged or broken...but the screen survived.

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