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Re: questions re Javascript

From Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net>
Newsgroups comp.lang.java.programmer
Subject Re: questions re Javascript
Date 2015-09-24 22:34 -0400
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On 9/24/2015 10:03 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 9/24/2015 7:53 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> On 9/24/2015 4:58 PM, Eric Sosman wrote:
>>> On 9/24/2015 3:10 PM, Eternal Hope wrote:
>>>> Well when I went to school (jeez, was it *that* long ago) a compiled
>>>> language was one where the compiler took source code as input and
>>>> produced native machine code that was directly executable on the
>>>> underlying hardware as output.
>>>
>>>      In -- let's see, 2015 minus 1966 that's forty-nine years --
>>> of writing computer programs for many machines in many languages,
>>> I have encountered only two compilers of that description.  (Most
>>> folks would have called them "assemblers" rather than "compilers,"
>>> but an assembler is just a compiler for a particularly low-level
>>> source language.)  All the other compilers I've met have produced
>>> some kind of intermediate output that required further processing --
>>> "linking" or "loading" at the very least -- before execution.
>>>
>>
>> You're about two years ahead of me.  I only have 47 years or so of
>> experience.  And I know this post is going to get me into trouble with
>> some.
>>
>> But I've run into multiple compilers which meet that description -
>> starting with the FORTRAN II compiler when I started, to COBOL and PL/I
>> compilers when I was working at IBM (not to add PL/S, which was an
>> interesting internal language), to PASCAL, Smalltalk, C, C++ and many
>> other compilers.  And this was under multiple operating systems.
> 
> Nope.
>

Contradiction without backup.  Just like a troll.

>> Yes, all of them produced "object code" - but that was simply executable
>> code without necessary libraries.  You had to link the compiler
>> libraries - but this only produced linkages between the machine code
>> generated by the compiler with the machine code in the libraries.  It
>> did not change the compiled output, other than to fill in pointers.  The
>> step also creates the executable.
> 
> The term, being discussed was "directly executable on the underlying
> hardware".
> 
> Object code does not meet that criteria.
> 
> It is rather close, but close it not meeting a criteria.
>

Object code is simply machine code without required libraries linked in.
 It is completely different from bytecode.

And yes, object code is considered machine code by virtually programmers
with reasonable experience in multiple platforms and languages.  Only
Java programmers and troll try to make the distinction.


>>>      The distinction between "compiler" and "interpreter" has been
>>> blurred over the years, as layers of abstraction have grown deeper
>>> and as the underlying hardware has gotten ever more "under" with
>>> each technology generation.  Nowadays, it's turtles all the way down.
>>>
>>
>> It has only been blurred by Java noobs who don't know or understand the
>> difference.  But I've found that to be common amongst people who have
>> never programmed anything but Java.  They think Java is the answer to
>> the life, the universe and everything - and nothing else counts.
> 
> Given that the naming convention is also used in C#, VB.NET, PHP,
> UCSD Pascal, then I think that it is you that are way behind
> in knowing about other programming languages.
> 

Wrong answer.  VB.NET and PHP are interpreted languages.  UCSD Pascal
(which, unlike you, I DID use) compiled to P-code.  And C# is it's own
thing.  It compiles to an executable, but requires the .NET framework.
Really not that much different than requiring OS libraries, except that
.NET is shipped separately.

>> Those of use who have programmed otherwise in multiple languages on
>> multiple hardware platforms and multiple operating systems understand
>> better.
> 
> You seem to be seriously lacking in that regard.
> 
> Arne
> 
> 

Again, another troll comment - a contradiction without backup.

Arne, I've been programming for 47 years now.  I've programmed in more
languages than you've ever heard of (20+ that I can think of right now),
on more platforms than you've ever heard of.  I spent 8 years
programming as an IBM employee, followed by 25 years as a consultant for
mostly Fortune 500 companies in the North America, Europe and Asia.

I know what I'm talking about.  What's your experience - 5 months of Java?

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  Re: questions re Javascript Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-09-01 23:26 +0000
    Re: questions re Javascript Eternal Hope <laughingspam99@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 10:00 +0100
      Re: questions re Javascript e.d.programmer@gmail.com - 2015-09-02 05:32 -0700
        Re: questions re Javascript Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2015-09-03 20:17 -0400
          Re: questions re Javascript e.d.programmer@gmail.com - 2015-09-04 05:33 -0700
            Re: questions re Javascript Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2015-10-05 22:42 -0400
  Re: questions re Javascript Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2015-09-01 20:00 -0400
  Re: questions re Javascript Eternal Hope <laughingspam99@gmail.com> - 2015-09-05 20:40 +0100
    Re: questions re Javascript Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2015-09-23 16:10 -0700
      Re: questions re Javascript Eternal Hope <laughingspam99@gmail.com> - 2015-09-24 10:40 +0100
        Re: questions re Javascript Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-09-24 11:21 +0000
          Re: questions re Javascript Eternal Hope <laughingspam99@gmail.com> - 2015-09-24 20:10 +0100
            Re: questions re Javascript Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2015-09-24 13:18 -0700
              Re: questions re Javascript Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-09-24 19:40 -0400
                Re: questions re Javascript Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-09-25 01:15 +0000
                Re: questions re Javascript Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-09-24 22:25 -0400
                Re: questions re Javascript Eternal Hope <laughingspam99@gmail.com> - 2015-09-25 03:46 +0100
                Re: questions re Javascript Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-09-25 09:59 -0400
                Re: questions re Javascript Eternal Hope <laughingspam99@gmail.com> - 2015-09-25 15:32 +0100
                Re: questions re Javascript Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2015-10-02 13:02 -0700
                Re: questions re Javascript Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-10-02 16:24 -0400
                Re: questions re Javascript Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2015-10-02 23:02 -0400
                Re: questions re Javascript Eternal Hope <laughingspam99@gmail.com> - 2015-10-03 13:30 +0100
                Re: questions re Javascript Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2015-10-04 21:31 -0700
                Re: questions re Javascript Eternal Hope <laughingspam99@gmail.com> - 2015-10-05 07:48 +0100
                Re: questions re Javascript Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2015-10-05 20:53 -0400
                Re: questions re Javascript Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-10-03 10:46 -0400
                Re: questions re Javascript Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2015-10-05 21:00 -0400
                Re: questions re Javascript Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-10-05 21:19 -0400
                Re: questions re Javascript Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2015-10-05 22:26 -0400
              Re: questions re Javascript Eternal Hope <laughingspam99@gmail.com> - 2015-09-25 15:32 +0100
            Re: questions re Javascript Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2015-09-24 16:58 -0400
              Re: questions re Javascript Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-09-24 21:45 +0000
              Re: questions re Javascript Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2015-09-24 18:27 -0400
              Re: questions re Javascript Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-09-24 19:53 -0400
                Re: questions re Javascript Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2015-09-24 22:03 -0400
                Re: questions re Javascript Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-09-24 22:34 -0400
                Re: questions re Javascript Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2015-09-24 22:46 -0400
                Re: questions re Javascript Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-09-25 09:56 -0400
                Re: questions re Javascript Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2015-09-25 10:15 -0400
                Re: questions re Javascript Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-09-25 11:44 -0400
                Re: questions re Javascript Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2015-09-25 14:09 -0400
                Re: questions re Javascript Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-09-25 15:15 -0400
                Re: questions re Javascript Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2015-09-27 20:45 -0400
                Re: questions re Javascript Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-09-27 22:48 -0400
                Re: questions re Javascript Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-09-28 03:29 +0000
                Re: questions re Javascript Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-09-28 00:02 -0400
                Re: questions re Javascript Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-09-28 11:33 +0000
                Re: questions re Javascript Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-09-28 10:44 -0400
                Re: questions re Javascript Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2015-09-27 20:42 -0400
                Re: questions re Javascript Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-09-27 22:51 -0400
                Re: questions re Javascript Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2015-09-27 20:38 -0400
                Re: questions re Javascript Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-09-27 22:59 -0400
                Re: questions re Javascript Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2015-10-02 22:47 -0400
                Re: questions re Javascript Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-10-03 10:48 -0400
                Re: questions re Javascript Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2015-10-02 22:53 -0400
                Re: questions re Javascript Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-10-03 10:52 -0400
                Re: questions re Javascript Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2015-10-05 21:03 -0400
                Re: questions re Javascript Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-10-05 21:25 -0400
                Re: questions re Javascript Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2015-10-05 21:41 -0400
                Re: questions re Javascript Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-10-05 22:11 -0400
                Re: questions re Javascript Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2015-10-05 22:19 -0400
                Re: questions re Javascript Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-10-05 22:27 -0400
                Re: questions re Javascript Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2015-09-24 22:30 -0400
                Re: questions re Javascript Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-09-24 22:42 -0400
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                Re: questions re Javascript Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2015-09-24 23:07 -0400
                Re: questions re Javascript Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2015-09-24 23:55 -0400
                Re: questions re Javascript Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2015-09-27 20:46 -0400
                Re: questions re Javascript e.d.programmer@gmail.com - 2015-09-25 05:20 -0700
                Re: questions re Javascript Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2015-09-27 20:54 -0400
                Re: questions re Javascript Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-09-27 23:05 -0400
                Re: questions re Javascript Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2015-10-02 22:36 -0400
                Re: questions re Javascript Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-10-03 10:57 -0400
                Re: questions re Javascript Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2015-10-05 21:10 -0400
                Re: questions re Javascript Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-10-05 21:27 -0400
                Re: questions re Javascript Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-09-27 23:19 -0400
              Re: questions re Javascript Eternal Hope <laughingspam99@gmail.com> - 2015-09-25 03:46 +0100
            Re: questions re Javascript Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2015-09-24 23:35 -0400
        Re: questions re Javascript Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2015-09-24 13:10 -0700
          Re: questions re Javascript Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-09-24 19:55 -0400
            Re: questions re Javascript Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-09-25 00:48 +0000
              Re: questions re Javascript Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-09-24 20:55 -0400
                Re: questions re Javascript Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-09-25 11:17 +0000
                Re: questions re Javascript Eternal Hope <laughingspam99@gmail.com> - 2015-09-25 12:30 +0100
                Re: questions re Javascript Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-09-25 17:00 +0000
                Re: questions re Javascript Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2015-09-25 14:03 -0400
                Re: questions re Javascript Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2015-09-25 14:14 -0400
                Re: questions re Javascript Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-09-25 19:59 +0000
                Re: questions re Javascript Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2015-09-25 17:13 -0400
                Re: questions re Javascript Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-09-25 22:15 +0000
                Re: questions re Javascript Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2015-10-02 13:07 -0700
                Re: questions re Javascript Eternal Hope <laughingspam99@gmail.com> - 2015-10-03 16:48 +0100
                Re: questions re Javascript Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-09-25 10:02 -0400
                Re: questions re Javascript Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-09-25 17:32 +0000
              Re: questions re Javascript Eternal Hope <laughingspam99@gmail.com> - 2015-09-25 03:45 +0100
                Re: questions re Javascript Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-09-25 10:13 -0400
            Re: questions re Javascript Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2015-09-24 21:58 -0400
              Re: questions re Javascript Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2015-09-24 22:34 -0400
              Re: questions re Javascript Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-09-24 22:35 -0400
                Re: questions re Javascript Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2015-09-24 22:51 -0400
                Re: questions re Javascript Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2015-09-24 23:00 -0400
                Re: questions re Javascript Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-09-25 10:17 -0400
  Re: questions re Javascript Tim Slattery <tim@risingdove.com> - 2015-09-24 12:04 -0400

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