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Re: IBM system/360 ad robin.vowels@gmail.com - 2020-03-08 16:07 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-03-08 16:50 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-03-08 17:19 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-03-09 13:19 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-03-09 16:18 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-03-09 12:16 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-03-09 16:35 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-03-09 16:18 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-03-09 19:41 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-03-10 12:29 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-03-10 19:02 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-03-11 12:09 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-03-11 14:52 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-03-12 19:08 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-03-12 16:46 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-03-12 15:07 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-03-11 12:10 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-03-10 01:06 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-03-10 11:33 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-03-10 18:48 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-03-10 12:09 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-03-10 22:46 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-03-11 12:18 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-03-11 19:49 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-03-11 13:11 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-03-12 19:08 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-03-12 16:42 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-03-12 22:11 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-03-12 23:49 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-03-13 08:36 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-03-11 14:52 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-03-11 22:17 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-03-11 16:47 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-08-29 11:40 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-08-25 13:52 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-25 18:06 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-08-27 11:32 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-27 19:08 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-03-11 14:52 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad robin.vowels@gmail.com - 2020-03-11 18:17 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-03-12 15:03 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-03-12 15:29 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad robin.vowels@gmail.com - 2020-03-12 19:38 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-03-13 10:18 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-03-13 18:07 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-03-13 11:43 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-08-27 11:31 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-27 19:08 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2020-06-12 01:34 +0000
Re: IBM system/360-30 John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-06-13 00:19 +0000
Re: IBM system/360-30 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-06-13 00:26 +0000
Re: IBM system/360-30 Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-06-12 20:38 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-03-09 21:38 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-03-10 12:11 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2020-06-12 02:11 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-06-12 10:13 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-06-12 07:54 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-06-12 12:04 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-06-12 10:31 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-08-22 11:11 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-06-12 07:49 -0700
Re: IBM 1130, system John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-06-12 23:51 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-08-22 11:09 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-23 00:55 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-08-24 13:29 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-24 17:35 -0400
RPG was Re: IBM system/360 ad scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-08-24 23:03 +0000
Re: RPG was Re: IBM system/360 ad Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-25 01:19 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-24 18:37 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-25 07:26 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 07:12 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Johnatan Duck <pato@thunder.local> - 2020-08-25 11:29 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 07:51 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Johnatan Duck <pato@thunder.local> - 2020-08-25 14:34 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 11:01 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Johnatan Duck <pato@thunder.local> - 2020-08-25 15:15 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 11:39 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 12:15 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 15:24 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 16:50 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 15:34 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 16:53 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-25 23:14 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Johnatan Duck <pato@thunder.local> - 2020-08-25 17:28 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-25 11:13 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Johnatan Duck <pato@thunder.local> - 2020-08-26 07:01 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-26 11:31 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-26 10:11 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-26 13:26 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-26 11:28 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Johnatan Duck <pato@thunder.local> - 2020-08-26 20:23 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-26 14:35 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-26 12:08 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-26 15:13 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-08-26 14:28 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-26 22:33 +0100
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 15:47 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Johnatan Duck <pato@thunder.local> - 2020-08-26 11:10 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-26 08:15 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-08-26 14:51 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-26 16:20 +0100
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-26 12:24 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-08-26 16:46 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-08-26 19:52 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-26 17:00 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2020-08-27 14:11 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Johnatan Duck <pato@thunder.local> - 2020-08-26 20:21 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-26 22:38 +0100
Re: IBM system/360 ad Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-27 06:32 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Johnatan Duck <pato@thunder.local> - 2020-08-27 11:39 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-27 13:38 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-27 12:03 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Johnatan Duck <pato@thunder.local> - 2020-08-26 20:11 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-08-26 21:17 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-25 10:59 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2020-08-26 12:13 -0500
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-26 11:27 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-25 17:21 +0100
Re: IBM system/360 ad Johnatan Duck <pato@thunder.local> - 2020-08-25 17:37 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Andy Leighton <andyl@azaal.plus.com> - 2020-08-26 04:07 -0500
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-25 10:59 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-25 10:59 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-25 12:02 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 08:29 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-08-25 12:35 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-25 10:59 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-08-25 20:20 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-25 12:45 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 10:31 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-25 14:54 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-25 16:33 +0100
Re: IBM system/360 ad Johnatan Duck <pato@thunder.local> - 2020-08-25 14:44 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-25 16:31 +0100
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-25 10:59 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-25 19:16 +0100
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 15:55 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Johnatan Duck <pato@thunder.local> - 2020-08-25 14:43 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-25 14:52 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 11:02 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-25 16:38 +0100
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-25 10:59 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-08-25 14:27 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-25 01:19 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-08-25 13:13 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-25 16:38 +0100
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-25 10:59 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-08-23 07:37 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Gerard Schildberger <gerard46@rrt.net> - 2020-08-23 01:00 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-08-23 10:28 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-08-23 10:43 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-23 12:22 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-23 20:49 +0100
Re: IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-08-22 11:05 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-23 00:55 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-08-24 13:25 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-24 17:18 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-25 01:19 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-24 22:08 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-25 03:46 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 07:09 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-08-25 15:15 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 11:44 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 12:29 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-08-25 19:37 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-25 21:52 +0100
Re: IBM system/360 ad Johnatan Duck <pato@thunder.local> - 2020-08-26 07:44 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-08-26 12:21 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-26 15:15 +0100
Re: IBM system/360 ad Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-08-26 17:42 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-08-27 09:43 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-25 10:59 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 16:43 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-25 22:27 +0100
Re: IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-08-25 14:38 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 18:09 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-26 00:12 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 20:35 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-24 18:37 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-08-25 11:18 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 07:40 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 08:26 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-08-25 12:35 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 10:26 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-25 10:59 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-25 10:59 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 16:44 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 07:56 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 09:41 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 10:43 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-25 16:28 +0100
Re: IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 11:52 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-25 10:59 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-08-25 15:16 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad "Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> - 2020-08-25 12:56 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 10:40 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-25 10:59 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 15:58 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-25 19:57 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 16:48 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-08-25 14:26 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 19:07 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-23 06:55 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-08-23 10:23 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-23 14:33 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-08-23 23:28 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-08-24 13:39 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-24 18:37 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-24 22:13 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-08-24 20:09 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-08-25 14:11 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 23:18 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-08-26 14:34 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-26 17:49 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-08-26 22:28 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-08-27 06:49 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-08-27 17:27 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-08-27 11:49 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-08-27 19:39 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-08-28 12:42 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-08-28 20:21 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-08-28 21:36 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-09-01 11:13 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-01 19:17 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-09-01 18:22 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-02 08:42 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2020-09-03 05:37 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-09-03 02:22 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-03 09:48 +0000
Re: PL/something, IBM system/360, whiz or dog? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-09-03 17:55 +0000
Re: PL/something, IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-03 19:31 +0100
Re: PL/something, IBM system/360, whiz or dog? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-09-03 22:13 +0000
Re: PL/something, IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-09-03 19:24 -0700
Re: PL/something, IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2020-09-04 05:30 +0000
Re: PL/something, IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-09-04 16:08 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2020-09-04 05:21 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-04 10:00 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2020-09-05 05:51 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2020-09-05 06:34 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-05 10:08 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 19:13 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-09-08 12:16 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2020-09-08 21:10 -0500
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-09-09 05:07 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-09 09:38 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-09 11:16 +0100
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 19:07 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-09-04 16:06 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2020-09-02 12:18 -0600
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-09-01 19:20 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-01 16:06 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-01 19:12 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-09-02 11:59 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-02 09:11 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-09-02 14:05 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-02 12:18 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-02 16:34 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-09-02 20:35 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-02 23:59 +0100
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-03 10:16 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-03 13:39 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? lawrence <lawrenabae@abaluon.abaom> - 2020-09-03 18:31 -0500
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-03 19:45 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2020-09-03 13:26 -0500
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-02 20:49 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-09-03 01:37 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-02 23:27 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-03 07:05 +0100
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-03 10:16 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2020-09-03 12:29 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-03 16:26 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2020-09-03 13:11 -0500
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Richard Thiebaud <thiebauddick2@aol.com> - 2020-09-03 14:20 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-03 11:48 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-03 19:57 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-04 10:38 -0500
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-03 19:04 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-03 18:00 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-09-03 10:55 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-03 14:02 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-09-03 22:45 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-03 19:11 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-02 17:45 +0100
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-02 10:10 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-02 12:22 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-02 09:53 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-02 15:19 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-09-02 20:52 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-02 21:04 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-09-03 07:19 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-03 09:15 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-09-03 13:28 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-03 18:04 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-09-04 05:48 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-04 10:07 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-09-04 14:56 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-04 11:07 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-09-04 19:49 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-04 16:12 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-09-04 20:34 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-04 16:53 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-09-04 21:23 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-05 12:22 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-04 18:41 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-04 21:00 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-04 18:09 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-04 21:41 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-04 22:10 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-09-08 12:04 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-08 23:35 +0100
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-09-09 13:17 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-04 21:34 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-04 22:37 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-04 23:56 -0400
Re: fun with APL, was IBM system/360, whiz or dog? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-09-05 19:02 +0000
Re: fun with APL, was IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-05 16:23 -0400
Re: fun with APL, was IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-05 16:37 -0400
Re: fun with APL, was IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-05 16:57 -0400
Re: fun with APL, was IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-05 17:09 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-05 17:38 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-05 22:05 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-06 06:30 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-04 21:32 -0500
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-04 23:08 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-05 00:05 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-09-05 09:48 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-05 07:20 +0100
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-09-08 12:09 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-08 21:00 +0100
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-09 14:45 -0500
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-09-08 11:53 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 18:37 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-09-08 11:59 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 15:22 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-04 16:02 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-04 19:43 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-04 18:13 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-09-05 09:47 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-05 12:21 +0100
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-09-03 21:45 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-03 19:01 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-02 13:16 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Stefan Möding <Sep2020.5.kill-9@spamgourmet.com> - 2020-09-02 16:14 +0200
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-02 07:20 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-02 12:36 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-02 13:19 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-02 15:25 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-02 14:43 +0100
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-02 06:35 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-02 12:40 -0400
Re: Fortran on IBM system/360, whiz or dog? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-09-02 02:08 +0000
Re: Fortran on IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-09-02 06:12 +0000
Re: Fortran on IBM system/360, whiz or dog? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-09-02 20:36 +0000
Re: Fortran on IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-09-02 20:54 +0000
Re: Fortran on IBM system/360, whiz or dog? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-09-02 22:18 +0000
Re: Fortran on IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-09-03 06:27 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-27 16:48 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-27 16:40 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-27 23:53 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-27 20:33 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-28 02:46 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-27 23:08 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-28 19:30 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-28 16:00 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-08-28 20:27 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-28 21:01 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-28 15:15 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-28 22:51 +0000
Re: IBM system/360/20, whiz or dog? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-08-29 01:24 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-08-28 20:28 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-08-29 18:19 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, model 20 PL/I Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-08-29 19:52 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, model 20 PL/I John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-08-30 17:47 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, model 20 PL/I Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-30 14:16 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, model 20 PL/I Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-09-01 03:32 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, model 20 PL/I Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-08-30 15:11 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, model 20 PL/I Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-08-30 19:41 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, model 20 PL/I Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-08-31 08:58 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, model 20 PL/I Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-08-30 17:27 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, model 20 PL/I John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-08-31 01:06 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, model 20 PL/I Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-08-30 20:26 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, model 20 PL/I Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-30 20:34 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, model 20 PL/I Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-08-31 21:21 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, model 20 PL/I John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-08-31 16:34 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, model 20 PL/I Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-08-31 22:13 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, model 20 PL/I Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-01 06:34 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, model 20 PL/I Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-09-01 16:52 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, model 20 PL/I hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-09-01 11:07 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, model 20 PL/I Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-09-01 19:38 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, model 20 PL/I Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-01 16:08 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, model 20 PL/I Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-09-01 18:41 -0700
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Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-08-29 12:21 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-29 09:41 -0400
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Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-29 15:07 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-29 17:52 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-29 22:21 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-28 07:20 -0700
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Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-08-28 00:56 +0000
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Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-08-27 02:40 +0000
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-27 00:04 -0400
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Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-08-27 17:30 +0000
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Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-28 06:38 -0400
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-08-28 06:44 -0700
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-28 10:59 -0400
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-28 10:15 -0700
Re: KDF9 Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-08-28 19:05 -0700
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-08-28 19:37 +0000
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-28 16:05 -0400
Re: stacks KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-08-28 20:30 +0000
Re: stacks KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-08-28 21:40 +0000
Re: stacks KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-28 15:15 -0700
Re: stacks KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-28 15:15 -0700
Re: stacks KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-28 20:03 -0400
Re: stacks KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-28 18:09 -0700
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-08-29 14:01 +0000
Re: Fortran, not KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-08-29 18:33 +0000
Re: Fortran, not KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-08-30 11:09 +0000
Re: Fortran, not KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-08-30 07:18 -0700
Re: 70X index OR mode, Fortran, not KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-08-30 17:58 +0000
Re: 70X index OR mode, Fortran, not KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-08-31 17:17 +0000
Re: 70X index OR mode, Fortran, not KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-08-31 19:58 +0000
Re: 70X index OR mode, Fortran, not KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-09-01 09:39 +0000
Re: 70X index OR mode, Fortran, not KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-09-01 04:10 -0700
Re: 70X index OR mode, Fortran, not KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-01 08:19 -0400
Re: 70X index OR mode, Fortran, not KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-09-01 18:08 +0000
Re: 70X index OR mode, Fortran, not KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-01 16:04 -0400
Re: 70X index OR mode, Fortran, not KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-09-01 18:13 -0700
Re: block moves, 70X index OR mode, Fortran, not KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-09-02 02:14 +0000
Re: block moves, 70X index OR mode, Fortran, not KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-09-01 20:52 -0700
Re: 70X index OR mode, Fortran, not KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-02 06:35 -0700
Re: 70X index OR mode, Fortran, not KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-09-01 20:34 -0700
Re: 70X index OR mode, Fortran, not KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-02 00:06 -0400
Re: 70X index OR mode, Fortran, not KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-09-01 18:05 -0700
Re: 70X index OR mode, Fortran, not KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-01 22:32 -0400
Re: 70X index OR mode, Fortran, not KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-09-02 02:51 +0000
Re: 70X index OR mode, Fortran, not KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-01 23:52 -0400
Re: 70X index OR mode, Fortran, not KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-09-01 20:58 -0700
Re: 70X index OR mode, Fortran, not KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-02 06:35 -0700
Re: 70X index OR mode, Fortran, not KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-02 10:18 -0400
Re: 70X index OR mode, Fortran, not KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-09-02 16:54 +0000
Re: 70X index OR mode, Fortran, not KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-02 13:28 -0400
Re: 70X index OR mode, Fortran, not KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-08-31 15:50 -0700
Re: 70X index OR mode, Fortran, not KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-31 17:24 -0700
Re: 70X index OR mode, Fortran, not KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-08-31 22:19 -0700
Re: 70X index OR mode, Fortran, not KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-08-31 22:23 -0700
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Robert Marshall <spam@capuchin.co.uk> - 2020-08-28 18:58 +0100
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-08-28 15:23 -0700
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-28 18:09 -0700
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-08-29 11:21 -0700
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-09-02 07:05 +0000
Re: KDF9 Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-08-28 19:39 -0700
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-08-29 11:18 -0700
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-29 17:52 -0700
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-29 21:39 -0400
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2020-08-30 11:51 +0000
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-30 08:06 -0400
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-30 08:36 -0400
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-30 10:43 -0400
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-30 11:49 -0400
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-30 13:10 -0400
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-30 13:33 -0400
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-30 15:03 -0400
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-30 16:37 +0000
Re: Home made card reader Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-30 16:55 +0000
Re: Home made card reader J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-30 13:20 -0400
Re: Home made card reader Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-30 17:23 +0000
Re: Home made card reader Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-08-30 16:38 -0700
Re: Home made card reader John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-08-31 00:27 +0000
Re: Home made card reader Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-31 09:34 +0000
Re: Home made card reader usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-09-02 07:04 +0000
Re: Home made card reader Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-02 08:27 +0000
Re: Home made card reader Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-09-02 16:54 +0000
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-08-30 15:04 -0700
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-30 18:19 -0400
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-31 07:23 +0100
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-08-29 20:34 -0700
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-30 11:37 +0100
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Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-08-30 07:31 -0700
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-09-02 07:06 +0000
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-09-02 07:03 +0000
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-02 06:35 -0700
Re: PDP-10, was KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-09-02 20:40 +0000
Re: PDP-10, was KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-02 21:06 -0400
Re: PDP-10, was KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-09-03 01:41 +0000
Re: PDP-10, was KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-02 23:28 -0400
Re: PDP-10, was KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-09-03 18:10 +0000
Re: PDP-10, was KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-03 17:25 -0400
Re: PDP-10, was KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-09-03 22:26 +0000
Re: PDP-10, was KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-03 19:03 -0400
Re: PDP-10, was KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-09-04 16:03 -0700
Re: PDP-10, was KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-09-04 23:34 -0700
Re: PDP-10, was KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-05 10:02 -0400
Re: PDP-10, was KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-05 17:38 -0700
Re: PDP-10, was KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-03 16:32 +0000
Re: PDP-10, was KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-09-04 18:11 +0000
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Bill Findlay <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2020-08-29 01:04 +0100
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-28 20:14 -0400
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-08-29 08:35 -0700
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-29 12:13 -0400
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-27 16:40 -0700
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-28 07:00 +0100
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-08-28 15:17 -0700
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-28 18:24 -0400
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-28 20:04 -0400
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-28 18:09 -0700
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-28 22:07 -0400
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-08-29 11:20 -0700
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-08-29 12:28 +0000
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-29 12:31 +0000
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-29 23:58 +0000
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-09-01 11:10 -0700
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-02 05:21 +0100
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-09-02 16:54 +0000
Re: flaming, not at all KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-08-29 18:35 +0000
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-08-29 11:15 -0700
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-08-28 12:45 -0700
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-08-28 20:28 +0000
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-08-29 11:11 -0700
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-29 14:28 -0400
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-29 19:39 +0100
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-28 16:59 -0400
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-28 15:15 -0700
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-28 18:25 -0400
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-28 18:09 -0700
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-28 22:28 -0400
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-08-27 10:28 -0700
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-08-29 08:40 -0700
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-27 06:32 +0000
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-27 07:50 -0700
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-27 18:56 -0400
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-08-27 11:39 -0700
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-08-27 06:34 -0700
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-08-27 11:44 -0700
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-27 19:08 +0000
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-08-27 11:36 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-08-27 06:11 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-27 09:25 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-08-27 10:32 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-27 07:50 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-08-27 10:36 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-27 16:40 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-08-28 05:10 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-08-27 06:20 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-27 09:31 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-08-27 17:42 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Stoat <fake@fake.org> - 2020-08-28 15:49 +1200
Re: IBM system/360 ad gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-27 16:06 +0100
Re: IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-08-25 14:03 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-03-10 11:27 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-03-10 14:47 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2020-03-11 15:05 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-03-11 16:33 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-03-12 14:57 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-03-12 19:59 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-03-12 17:27 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-03-12 20:57 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-03-13 10:15 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad robin.vowels@gmail.com - 2020-03-10 18:06 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-03-11 12:32 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2020-06-12 02:52 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-06-12 10:27 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2020-06-14 13:40 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-06-14 09:01 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-06-14 12:36 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2020-06-15 21:58 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-06-12 07:49 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-06-12 12:57 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-06-12 17:39 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-06-12 15:29 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-06-12 20:33 -0400
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Re: IBM system/360 ad robin.vowels@gmail.com - 2020-03-11 20:50 -0700
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2020-09-06 06:30 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? |
| Message-ID | <1042788487.621091728.130401.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #213825 |
J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Sep 2020 17:38:40 -0700, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 04 Sep 2020 21:00:29 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 04 Sep 2020 16:53:20 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> writes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> schrieb:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I get upset by any arsewipe who wastes my time with a lot of bullshit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's a little unfair to blame your apparent lack of reading
>>>>>>>> comprehension on other people, and then start insulting them when
>>>>>>>> this is pointed out to you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you want to port gfortran to MVS
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't, particularly. I think it would be much better if IBM
>>>>>>>> ported their own xlf compiler.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The stanard that VS Fortran is based on has been superseded for
>>>>>>>> almost 30 years, and there have been five succeeding revisions
>>>>>>>> of Fortran since. I think it is fair to that what IBM offers its
>>>>>>>> customers for Fortran on MVS sub-standard (pun intended).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oops, I think you're going to set him off again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope, just killfiled him as a waste of time. If he wants to lobby IBM
>>>>>> to change something he's welcome to do so, but haranguing me about it
>>>>>> is pointless.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, I didn't read him as him trying to tell you to do anything and I
>>>>> found his insights into the gcc development process interesting.
>>>>> I don't know much about Fortran so I had no basis for judging
>>>>> gfortan vs anything else.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I recall reading somewhere that stuff that used to be done
>>>>>>> with Fortran is now often done with C.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is and we are slowly, a piece at a time, rewriting our Fortran code
>>>>>> in C, not because there is anything wrong with the Fortran but because
>>>>>> Fortran programmers are getting almost as hard to find as COBOL
>>>>>> programmers.
>>>>>
>>>>> COBOL programmers. Always found that an interesting concept.
>>>>> If you can program in any language you should be able to do COBOL.
>>>>> Probably people just don't want to do COBOL. I never minded but
>>>>> I suppose other languages could be more fun.
>>>>
>>>> My experience is that COBOL is like APL--it requires different thought
>>>> patterns from a FORTRAN-like language.
>>>>
>>>>>>> At first that seems counter-intuitive. Fortran mimics
>>>>>>> the language of mathematics so should be something a mathematician
>>>>>>> would want to use. But I suppose mathematicians are fully capable
>>>>>>> of using a simple programming language.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At the risk of being accused of being "set off", I don't much to
>>>>>> choose between them from a notational viewpoint. I find them both
>>>>>> primitive and klunky in about equal measure. My first language was
>>>>>> APL, if you know APL you'll understand why I find the claim that
>>>>>> Fortran "micks the language of mathematics" to be risible.
>>>>>
>>>>> I never messed with APL but all those funny symbols were scary.
>>>>> I guess modern APL has a way around having a special keyboard.
>>>>
>>>> The notion that APL needs a special keyboard is a myth. It does not
>>>> now and never did. What it needs is a way to display the special
>>>> character set. On the 2741 you changed the type ball. On the PC
>>>> there was a ROM. I don't know if the APL character set was extra cost
>>>> on the 3270s.
>>>
>>> I remember seeing 3270s with APL symbols all over the keys.
>>> Wikipedia says that on the 2741 you placed keycaps over the normal keys.
>>> Is that something you dispense with now?
>>
>> I used APL keycaps on my 3290 - pop out the old ones and press on the new.
>> I never used it for APL but it had some special characters I wanted: }{ and
>> maybe ][.
>
> [] is the one that anybody working in C needs that isn't there in the
> default character set. An annoyance is that EBCDIC doesn't have a
> single assignment for those. If everybody's working with the same
> terminal setup it's not an issue but if you have two different
> terminal emulation vendors one show garbage characters where the other
> shows the square brackets.
>
I just declared CP1047 to be our official standard, and used it throughout.
I think 1047 has now been superseded. .
--
Pete
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| From | JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-09-04 21:32 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? |
| Message-ID | <52u5lf9cjjmh0g3oab6r1ubum7mtkg9lg5@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #213726 |
On Fri, 04 Sep 2020 21:00:29 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote: >J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes: > >> On Fri, 04 Sep 2020 16:53:20 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>>Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> writes: >>> >>>> J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> schrieb: >>>> >>>>> I get upset by any arsewipe who wastes my time with a lot of bullshit. >>>> >>>> It's a little unfair to blame your apparent lack of reading >>>> comprehension on other people, and then start insulting them when >>>> this is pointed out to you. >>>> >>>>> If you want to port gfortran to MVS >>>> >>>> I don't, particularly. I think it would be much better if IBM >>>> ported their own xlf compiler. >>>> >>>> The stanard that VS Fortran is based on has been superseded for >>>> almost 30 years, and there have been five succeeding revisions >>>> of Fortran since. I think it is fair to that what IBM offers its >>>> customers for Fortran on MVS sub-standard (pun intended). >>> >>>Oops, I think you're going to set him off again. >> >> Nope, just killfiled him as a waste of time. If he wants to lobby IBM >> to change something he's welcome to do so, but haranguing me about it >> is pointless. > >Well, I didn't read him as him trying to tell you to do anything and I >found his insights into the gcc development process interesting. >I don't know much about Fortran so I had no basis for judging >gfortan vs anything else. > >>>I recall reading somewhere that stuff that used to be done >>>with Fortran is now often done with C. >> >> It is and we are slowly, a piece at a time, rewriting our Fortran code >> in C, not because there is anything wrong with the Fortran but because >> Fortran programmers are getting almost as hard to find as COBOL >> programmers. > >COBOL programmers. Always found that an interesting concept. >If you can program in any language you should be able to do COBOL. >Probably people just don't want to do COBOL. I never minded but >I suppose other languages could be more fun. > >>>At first that seems counter-intuitive. Fortran mimics >>>the language of mathematics so should be something a mathematician >>>would want to use. But I suppose mathematicians are fully capable >>>of using a simple programming language. >> >> At the risk of being accused of being "set off", I don't much to >> choose between them from a notational viewpoint. I find them both >> primitive and klunky in about equal measure. My first language was >> APL, if you know APL you'll understand why I find the claim that >> Fortran "micks the language of mathematics" to be risible. > >I never messed with APL but all those funny symbols were scary. >I guess modern APL has a way around having a special keyboard. > >>>Back in my high school days I thought I wanted to be >>>a mathematician. I found algebra, geometry, and calculus >>>so interesting. Then I got a little exposure to statistics. Boring. >>>On my first job I got to know the mathematician working >>>at our finance company. At that point I became very happy >>>that I chose programming/design for my career. >> >> I went as far as completing a math degree--math is fun, especially >> once you get into the Senior and Graduate level courses--but doing >> that kind of math is only going to put food on the table if you're a >> professor and "math professor" is not something I ever aspired to be. > >I took one semester of Calculus. I remember I got a 100 on the final. >Seemed simple enough to me, but the rest of the class didn't do so well. > >I had to start real life, but I wondered, this calculus was a great >invention, is there more that I'm missing? So the second half >of our text was integrals and derivatives. Read that, understood it. >Decided I knew enough. As I said, statistics wasn't interesting to me. [snip] I have read some claims that there are calculus courses/knowledge that can come in handy in theoretical physics. That is substationally above my pay grade, so I only took two semesters of it so I could get my Bach Degree. -- Jim
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| From | Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-09-04 23:08 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? |
| Message-ID | <riuvff$1i2$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #213731 |
JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> writes: > On Fri, 04 Sep 2020 21:00:29 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> > wrote: >>J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes: >> >>> On Fri, 04 Sep 2020 16:53:20 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>>Back in my high school days I thought I wanted to be >>>>a mathematician. I found algebra, geometry, and calculus >>>>so interesting. Then I got a little exposure to statistics. Boring. >>>>On my first job I got to know the mathematician working >>>>at our finance company. At that point I became very happy >>>>that I chose programming/design for my career. >>> >>> I went as far as completing a math degree--math is fun, especially >>> once you get into the Senior and Graduate level courses--but doing >>> that kind of math is only going to put food on the table if you're a >>> professor and "math professor" is not something I ever aspired to be. >> >>I took one semester of Calculus. I remember I got a 100 on the final. >>Seemed simple enough to me, but the rest of the class didn't do so well. >> >>I had to start real life, but I wondered, this calculus was a great >>invention, is there more that I'm missing? So the second half >>of our text was integrals and derivatives. Read that, understood it. >>Decided I knew enough. As I said, statistics wasn't interesting to me. > > [snip] > > I have read some claims that there are calculus courses/knowledge that > can come in handy in theoretical physics. Makes sense. I liked physics too. Again I never thought I was smart enough to become a theoretical physicist. I knew more than one programmer that came from a physics background. -- Dan Espen
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| From | J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-09-05 00:05 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? |
| Message-ID | <lf36lfts57ohr3b7bgkpsld5lcsgd84t7v@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #213733 |
On Fri, 04 Sep 2020 23:08:30 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote: >JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> writes: > >> On Fri, 04 Sep 2020 21:00:29 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>>J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes: >>> >>>> On Fri, 04 Sep 2020 16:53:20 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: > >>>>>Back in my high school days I thought I wanted to be >>>>>a mathematician. I found algebra, geometry, and calculus >>>>>so interesting. Then I got a little exposure to statistics. Boring. >>>>>On my first job I got to know the mathematician working >>>>>at our finance company. At that point I became very happy >>>>>that I chose programming/design for my career. >>>> >>>> I went as far as completing a math degree--math is fun, especially >>>> once you get into the Senior and Graduate level courses--but doing >>>> that kind of math is only going to put food on the table if you're a >>>> professor and "math professor" is not something I ever aspired to be. >>> >>>I took one semester of Calculus. I remember I got a 100 on the final. >>>Seemed simple enough to me, but the rest of the class didn't do so well. >>> >>>I had to start real life, but I wondered, this calculus was a great >>>invention, is there more that I'm missing? So the second half >>>of our text was integrals and derivatives. Read that, understood it. >>>Decided I knew enough. As I said, statistics wasn't interesting to me. >> >> [snip] >> >> I have read some claims that there are calculus courses/knowledge that >> can come in handy in theoretical physics. > >Makes sense. I liked physics too. >Again I never thought I was smart enough to become a theoretical >physicist. I knew more than one programmer that came from a physics >background. There's great deal of math that is known to be useful in theoretical physics. The thing is the mathematicians weren't trying to make something useful, they were playing with what they considered to be grand ideas, then the physicists glommed onto them and found uses for them. Differential equations are all over the place in physics and engineering (in 2020 engineers don't see them very much anymore--they're buried in software), then there's non-Euclidean geometry, group theory, and on and on. Calculus is a beginning, not an end.
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| From | Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> |
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| Date | 2020-09-05 09:48 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? |
| Message-ID | <rivmt7$toi$3@newsreader4.netcologne.de> |
| In reply to | #213733 |
Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> schrieb: > I knew more than one programmer that came from a physics > background. Dijkstra is a famous exaple.
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| From | Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> |
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| Date | 2020-09-05 07:20 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? |
| Message-ID | <20200905072049.a5a56d3c77d28d26ea66a74c@eircom.net> |
| In reply to | #213731 |
On Fri, 04 Sep 2020 21:32:09 -0500 JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote: > I have read some claims that there are calculus courses/knowledge that > can come in handy in theoretical physics. General relativity is best expressed in tensor calculus notation, and differential equations are generally useful in theoretical physics so yes calculus comes in handy in theoretical physics. It's not just calculus though there are bits of group theory in there too and there's at least one model being looked at that as far as I can understand is based on an intersection of graph theory and iterated function spaces. It is for good reason that the department Hawking worked in is called the "Department of Applied Mathematics and Theoretical Physics" the two are deeply intertwined. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:\>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/
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| From | hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com |
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| Date | 2020-09-08 12:09 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? |
| Message-ID | <99c7d488-d6b3-494c-b226-980f05da88d4o@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #213731 |
On Friday, September 4, 2020 at 10:32:49 PM UTC-4, JimP wrote: > I have read some claims that there are calculus courses/knowledge that > can come in handy in theoretical physics. Oh yes. Science majors take physics after getting a foundation in calculus. You need calculus to do college physics. If fading memory serves, high school physics dealt with objects moving with a constant rate of acceleration. But in college the acceleration varied. Also, the path could be curved. For that calculus was necessary. I think advanced physics was almost all expressed in calculus terms. In bitsavers there are notes of early conferences discussing how the machines of the day could be used to solve complex physics problems. They have some nasty integrals.
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| From | gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2020-09-08 21:00 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? |
| Message-ID | <rj8nsk$7dp$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #213960 |
On 08/09/2020 20:09, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote: > On Friday, September 4, 2020 at 10:32:49 PM UTC-4, JimP wrote: > >> I have read some claims that there are calculus courses/knowledge that >> can come in handy in theoretical physics. > > Oh yes. Science majors take physics after getting a foundation > in calculus. You need calculus to do college physics. > > If fading memory serves, high school physics dealt with objects > moving with a constant rate of acceleration. But in college > the acceleration varied. Also, the path could be curved. > For that calculus was necessary. If your memory is right, then USA school mathematics must be way behind that here in Brit. In a Brit grammar school (Nailsea, before it got comprehensivised) we got out first tentative contact with The Calculus at about age 14.
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| From | JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-09-09 14:45 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? |
| Message-ID | <44cilfdimtuj3f6a5ikq1idcj9auhoqejt@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #213970 |
On Tue, 8 Sep 2020 21:00:16 +0100, gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote: >On 08/09/2020 20:09, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote: >> On Friday, September 4, 2020 at 10:32:49 PM UTC-4, JimP wrote: >> >>> I have read some claims that there are calculus courses/knowledge that >>> can come in handy in theoretical physics. >> >> Oh yes. Science majors take physics after getting a foundation >> in calculus. You need calculus to do college physics. >> >> If fading memory serves, high school physics dealt with objects >> moving with a constant rate of acceleration. But in college >> the acceleration varied. Also, the path could be curved. >> For that calculus was necessary. > >If your memory is right, then USA school mathematics must >be way behind that here in Brit. > >In a Brit grammar school (Nailsea, before it got comprehensivised) >we got out first tentative contact with The Calculus at >about age 14. Yeah... In 7th grade I took algebra. My dad got transferred. The new school told me no algebra until 9th grade. So I took it twice, once in junior high and once in high school. -- Jim
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| From | hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com |
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| Date | 2020-09-08 11:53 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? |
| Message-ID | <90de4b80-706f-44b7-9f8e-7d43665b54e0o@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #213726 |
On Friday, September 4, 2020 at 9:00:33 PM UTC-4, Dan Espen wrote: > COBOL programmers. Always found that an interesting concept. > If you can program in any language you should be able to do COBOL. > Probably people just don't want to do COBOL. I never minded but > I suppose other languages could be more fun. Among some compsci types there was a prejudice against COBOL (and business processing). Somehow the compsci types thought all of that was beneath them. IBM mainframes were beneath them as well. They loved the PDP, Unix, C and Internet related stuff. > I never messed with APL but all those funny symbols were scary. > I guess modern APL has a way around having a special keyboard. APL, like PL/I, was a specialty language. There were a few fans who loved it, but the rest of the world ignored it. IMHO, APL was only good for very specialized applications. The greek letters were a nuisance and we were always searching for the special font needed on the teleprinter.
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| From | J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-09-08 18:37 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? |
| Message-ID | <tr1glf12uipv0rk581pnqgubbto624b7o0@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #213956 |
On Tue, 8 Sep 2020 11:53:12 -0700 (PDT), hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote: >On Friday, September 4, 2020 at 9:00:33 PM UTC-4, Dan Espen wrote: > > >> COBOL programmers. Always found that an interesting concept. >> If you can program in any language you should be able to do COBOL. >> Probably people just don't want to do COBOL. I never minded but >> I suppose other languages could be more fun. > >Among some compsci types there was a prejudice against >COBOL (and business processing). Somehow the compsci >types thought all of that was beneath them. IBM >mainframes were beneath them as well. They loved >the PDP, Unix, C and Internet related stuff. > > >> I never messed with APL but all those funny symbols were scary. >> I guess modern APL has a way around having a special keyboard. > >APL, like PL/I, was a specialty language. There were a few >fans who loved it, but the rest of the world ignored it. > >IMHO, APL was only good for very specialized applications. >The greek letters were a nuisance and we were always >searching for the special font needed on the teleprinter. Was? The ol' gal ain't dead yet.
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| From | hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com |
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| Date | 2020-09-08 11:59 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? |
| Message-ID | <bff7c684-383b-43a2-870d-66815302b49do@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #213726 |
On Friday, September 4, 2020 at 9:00:33 PM UTC-4, Dan Espen wrote: > I was very lucky to live through the heyday of computer programming. It sure seems they want to take all the fun out of programming. But that's actually nothing new. Because of the high demand for programmers and special needs of the job, corporate management was forced to tolerate a less (sometimes much less) structured work environment than they mandated for other jobs such as accountants or engineers. Geez, I remember many managers who couldn't stand the fact that programmers simply couldn't work the standard 9-5 lunch 12-1 because of the demands of running a job when the computer happened to be free. They didn't like programmers violating the corporate dress code; programmers collaborating with each other or roaming about lost in thought. Now with demand reduced and other changes, corporate America has achieved its goal of cracking down in many installations. They even use security badges as time clocks to track comings and goings.
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| From | Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-09-08 15:22 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? |
| Message-ID | <rj8lm9$qut$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #213957 |
hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com writes: > On Friday, September 4, 2020 at 9:00:33 PM UTC-4, Dan Espen wrote: > >> I was very lucky to live through the heyday of computer programming. > > It sure seems they want to take all the fun out of programming. > > But that's actually nothing new. Because of the high > demand for programmers and special needs of the job, > corporate management was forced to tolerate a less > (sometimes much less) structured work environment than > they mandated for other jobs such as accountants or > engineers. Geez, I remember many managers who couldn't > stand the fact that programmers simply couldn't work > the standard 9-5 lunch 12-1 because of the demands > of running a job when the computer happened to be > free. They didn't like programmers violating the > corporate dress code; programmers collaborating > with each other or roaming about lost in thought. > > Now with demand reduced and other changes, corporate > America has achieved its goal of cracking down in > many installations. They even use security > badges as time clocks to track comings and goings. That is all so accurate. The part about "sometimes much less" made me laugh. I think I did my best to make that happen. -- Dan Espen
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2020-09-04 16:02 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? |
| Message-ID | <241685668.620953182.777952.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #213717 |
Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote: > Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> writes: > >> J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> schrieb: >> >>> I get upset by any arsewipe who wastes my time with a lot of bullshit. >> >> It's a little unfair to blame your apparent lack of reading >> comprehension on other people, and then start insulting them when >> this is pointed out to you. >> >>> If you want to port gfortran to MVS >> >> I don't, particularly. I think it would be much better if IBM >> ported their own xlf compiler. >> >> The stanard that VS Fortran is based on has been superseded for >> almost 30 years, and there have been five succeeding revisions >> of Fortran since. I think it is fair to that what IBM offers its >> customers for Fortran on MVS sub-standard (pun intended). > > Oops, I think you're going to set him off again. > > I recall reading somewhere that stuff that used to be done > with Fortran is now often done with C. > > At first that seems counter-intuitive. Fortran mimics > the language of mathematics so should be something a mathematician > would want to use. But I suppose mathematicians are fully capable > of using a simple programming language. Probably because C is what the programmers know. It used to be BASIC that was used for everything, then C, and probably now the new guys want to code everything in Python. -- Pete
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| From | J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-09-04 19:43 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? |
| Message-ID | <a8k5lfhjt620k7abm9haf1bqfbtqcfqfdi@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #213721 |
On Fri, 4 Sep 2020 16:02:55 -0700, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: >Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote: >> Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> writes: >> >>> J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> schrieb: >>> >>>> I get upset by any arsewipe who wastes my time with a lot of bullshit. >>> >>> It's a little unfair to blame your apparent lack of reading >>> comprehension on other people, and then start insulting them when >>> this is pointed out to you. >>> >>>> If you want to port gfortran to MVS >>> >>> I don't, particularly. I think it would be much better if IBM >>> ported their own xlf compiler. >>> >>> The stanard that VS Fortran is based on has been superseded for >>> almost 30 years, and there have been five succeeding revisions >>> of Fortran since. I think it is fair to that what IBM offers its >>> customers for Fortran on MVS sub-standard (pun intended). >> >> Oops, I think you're going to set him off again. >> >> I recall reading somewhere that stuff that used to be done >> with Fortran is now often done with C. >> >> At first that seems counter-intuitive. Fortran mimics >> the language of mathematics so should be something a mathematician >> would want to use. But I suppose mathematicians are fully capable >> of using a simple programming language. > >Probably because C is what the programmers know. It used to be BASIC that >was used for everything, then C, and probably now the new guys want to code >everything in Python. And I can't blame them a bit.
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| From | J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-09-04 18:13 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? |
| Message-ID | <00f5lf1gld5d1j8muugbij4jiv84c5j6gq@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #213716 |
On Fri, 4 Sep 2020 20:34:17 -0000 (UTC), Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote: >J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> schrieb: > >> I get upset by any arsewipe who wastes my time with a lot of bullshit. > >It's a little unfair to blame your apparent lack of reading >comprehension on other people, and then start insulting them when >this is pointed out to you. > >> If you want to port gfortran to MVS > >I don't, particularly. I think it would be much better if IBM >ported their own xlf compiler. > >The stanard that VS Fortran is based on has been superseded for >almost 30 years, and there have been five succeeding revisions >of Fortran since. I think it is fair to that what IBM offers its >customers for Fortran on MVS sub-standard (pun intended). <plonk>
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| From | Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> |
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| Date | 2020-09-05 09:47 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? |
| Message-ID | <rivmr7$toi$2@newsreader4.netcologne.de> |
| In reply to | #213719 |
J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> schrieb: ><plonk> You kept reading things into my posts that I didn't write, then reacted angrily to those things I didn't write, descending to insults when I pointed out I didn't write those things. So, this is probably for the best.
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| From | gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2020-09-05 12:21 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? |
| Message-ID | <rivsbr$l1l$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #213746 |
On 05/09/2020 10:47, Thomas Koenig wrote: > J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> schrieb: > >> <plonk> > > You kept reading things into my posts that I didn't write, then > reacted angrily to those things I didn't write, descending > to insults when I pointed out I didn't write those things. > > So, this is probably for the best. > Come on, buck up chaps ! ! ! ! ! Just because most of us are well on the way to our second childhood is no reason to behave as though we never left the first! Interesting the current threads about the IBM 360 et seq. Having cut my teeth on DEC's products of the PDPs 11 & 8, and then subsequently onto micros, mainly Intel, I had always regarded the IBM products as the be all and end all, up in the gods of computing. Interesting to see the feet of clay! Although I did have a passing acquaintance with a 360 clone, the Perkin Elmer (Formerly Interdata) 8/32 programmed in CORAL, so no low level machine code experience as is my wont.
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| From | Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> |
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| Date | 2020-09-03 21:45 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? |
| Message-ID | <riro64$1j0$1@newsreader4.netcologne.de> |
| In reply to | #213647 |
J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> schrieb: >>No, it is a feature of the compiler. IBM's C/C++ compiler for >>MVS invokes it at optimization level 4 and 5. There is a nice >>explanation in the document entitled "Code optimization with the >>IBM z/OS XL C/C++ compiler". (They refer to it as IPA). > > Uh, child, I know what optimization is. Great. The way you expressed yourself, I had my doubts. > You were referring specifically to link-time optimization. How does > something that doesn't link optimize anything at link time? Compiler technology 101 (well, maybe 102). Hint: The linker invokes the compiler again. gcc does this via a plugin. The MVS linker can also do this, as evidenced by the C/C++ compiler for MVS. VS Fortran just does not seem to use this nifty feature. >>Come to think of it, you might get faster code if you run your >>F77-style code through f2c and then use the IBM C compiler at high >>optimization level. > > Oh, GAWD. You're an effing glutton for punishment aren't you. What you do not seem to understand is that VS Fortran does not do link-time optimization (or interprocedural optimization, if you will), unlike C/C++ for MVS. > Are you a professor or something? Or something. >Because you are certainly not > coming across as someone who has ever had to maintain production code. I do co-maintain a piece of software you might have heard of. And I have a fondness for Fortran. > >>>>To have better error checking and features that you could only >>>>dream about with FORTRAN 77? >>> >>> Get out of your head the notion that VS Fortran slavishly adheres to >>> the Fortran 77 standard. When you criticize, make sure that you are >>> criticizing the IBM product and not some generic third party product. >>> VS Fortran is not Fortran 77. It does not attempt to adhere to that >>> specification and has a number of extensions. >> >>I'm critizizing IBM's VS compiler for its lack of modern Fortran >>features which have been standard for decades. Does it have modules? >>Assumed-shape arrays? Allocatable arrays? Recursive functions >>and subroutines? Derived types? Classes? Coarrays? Operator >>overloading? Generics? INTENT(IN) / INTENT(OUT)? Optional >>arguments? Automatic arrays? > > Why don't you find out instead of spouting off. From the documentation I've seen: None of the above. VS Fortran seems to be from the stone^H^H^H^H^H golden age. >>> How is this "better error checking" manifested on MVS? >> >>First, compile-time. If you put your code into modules, you will >>get error checking for the number, types and ranks of arguments >>that you pass. Looking back at my Fortran 77 days, getting >>an argument wrong was a BIG source of errors. > > Have you ever, just once in your life, compiled ANYTHING on MVS? Sure, many times. The point of your question is...? >>> And what does "OpenMP" buy me on a Z that I want? Looks like another >>> open source generic product with which you want to replace IBM's >>> designed-from-the-ground-up-to-work-with-Z code. >> >>Portability with source code from outside the MVS bubble? By the way, >>OpenMP isn't an open-source product, it's a standard. > > Why do I need portability of source code on code which exists to be > tied into an admin system that runs on VS COBOL and CICS. If you are running your closed-shop software, sure. >> >>> And what do Coarrays buy me on MVS? >> >>A clean parallell programming paradigm? > > How does that help me on MVS? Show me an example, on MVS. Do you do parallel programming on MVS? If not, you're probably not interested. [...] >>I've worked on MVS (hey, I wrote JCL to compile a Fortran program >>for checking on a 3090 where CPU time was cheap and the error >>messages were better. If it was OK it was sent across to an >>expensive vector computer using JES2, compiled and executed it >>there, and then a job was cross-submitted to the 3090 to transfer >>the files back and do the rest of the processing. Around 150 >>lines of JCL, and it wasn't pretty, but it worked). > > Oh, touch you, you wrote 150 lines of JCL once. A bit further above, you asked if I had ever compiled anything on MVS. In here, you read that I did, and you even commented on that. A hint: It makes sense to scroll up a text and read it again before posting, to see if the remarks made above still fit. If you don't do that, and miss something obvious like just now, it might just create the impression of an incoherent rant, and you don't want that, do you? > >>But yes, those were the days when IBM-compatible mainframes were >>still competetive for numerical work. It's been a while. > > It's clear that you are more concerned with playing with toys than > getting work done. All of your reasons for using gcc on MVS instead > of VS Fortran really boil down to my having to work harder to get no > actual benefit. Why would you have to work hader for this? I'm If you want modern Fortran on a zSystem, then you currently have to run Linux. gfortran works out of the box, I'm not sure about clang / flang. It is a very sad state of affairs that MVS has no modern Fortran compiler. IBM certainly could port xlf to MVS, using the existing middle and back end of the C/C++ compiler. Porting gcc and gfortran would probably be more effort, especially because of library. IMHO, everybody should have access to a modern Fortran compiler on his favourite system :-)
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| From | J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-09-03 19:01 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? |
| Message-ID | <5ur2lfthoqp0f36s48updhi11puhhaaqud@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #213686 |
On Thu, 3 Sep 2020 21:45:40 -0000 (UTC), Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote: >J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> schrieb: > >>>No, it is a feature of the compiler. IBM's C/C++ compiler for >>>MVS invokes it at optimization level 4 and 5. There is a nice >>>explanation in the document entitled "Code optimization with the >>>IBM z/OS XL C/C++ compiler". (They refer to it as IPA). >> >> Uh, child, I know what optimization is. > >Great. The way you expressed yourself, I had my doubts. > > >> You were referring specifically to link-time optimization. How does >> something that doesn't link optimize anything at link time? > >Compiler technology 101 (well, maybe 102). Hint: The linker >invokes the compiler again. gcc does this via a plugin. >The MVS linker can also do this, as evidenced by the C/C++ >compiler for MVS. VS Fortran just does not seem to use >this nifty feature. > >>>Come to think of it, you might get faster code if you run your >>>F77-style code through f2c and then use the IBM C compiler at high >>>optimization level. >> >> Oh, GAWD. You're an effing glutton for punishment aren't you. > >What you do not seem to understand is that VS Fortran does not do >link-time optimization (or interprocedural optimization, if you >will), unlike C/C++ for MVS. What I understand is that you are telling me that I have a compelling need for something that does not interest me in the slightest. Tell me exactly what link time optimization will do for me on MVS, linking to COBOL and CICS. >> Are you a professor or something? > >Or something. > >>Because you are certainly not >> coming across as someone who has ever had to maintain production code. > >I do co-maintain a piece of software you might have heard of. >And I have a fondness for Fortran. There are many pieces of software that I have heard of that have no place anywhere near production code. The fact that you "co-maintain" something doesn't mean that you have ever had to maintain production code. >>>>>To have better error checking and features that you could only >>>>>dream about with FORTRAN 77? >>>> >>>> Get out of your head the notion that VS Fortran slavishly adheres to >>>> the Fortran 77 standard. When you criticize, make sure that you are >>>> criticizing the IBM product and not some generic third party product. >>>> VS Fortran is not Fortran 77. It does not attempt to adhere to that >>>> specification and has a number of extensions. >>> >>>I'm critizizing IBM's VS compiler for its lack of modern Fortran >>>features which have been standard for decades. Does it have modules? >>>Assumed-shape arrays? Allocatable arrays? Recursive functions >>>and subroutines? Derived types? Classes? Coarrays? Operator >>>overloading? Generics? INTENT(IN) / INTENT(OUT)? Optional >>>arguments? Automatic arrays? >> >> Why don't you find out instead of spouting off. > >From the documentation I've seen: None of the above. VS Fortran >seems to be from the stone^H^H^H^H^H golden age. So you've read the entire set of documentation just to argue on USENET? >>>> How is this "better error checking" manifested on MVS? >>> >>>First, compile-time. If you put your code into modules, you will >>>get error checking for the number, types and ranks of arguments >>>that you pass. Looking back at my Fortran 77 days, getting >>>an argument wrong was a BIG source of errors. >> >> Have you ever, just once in your life, compiled ANYTHING on MVS? > >Sure, many times. The point of your question is...? The point is that none of the errors you seem to think are rampant in Fortran code on MVS go undetected. MVS loves to complain. >>>> And what does "OpenMP" buy me on a Z that I want? Looks like another >>>> open source generic product with which you want to replace IBM's >>>> designed-from-the-ground-up-to-work-with-Z code. >>> >>>Portability with source code from outside the MVS bubble? By the way, >>>OpenMP isn't an open-source product, it's a standard. >> >> Why do I need portability of source code on code which exists to be >> tied into an admin system that runs on VS COBOL and CICS. > >If you are running your closed-shop software, sure. And that is what we are doing. And will continue doing until somebody decides that it's worth half a billion dollars or so to rewrite everything. >>>> And what do Coarrays buy me on MVS? >>> >>>A clean parallell programming paradigm? >> >> How does that help me on MVS? Show me an example, on MVS. > >Do you do parallel programming on MVS? If not, you're probably >not interested. No, I don't, so I'm not interested. > >[...] > >>>I've worked on MVS (hey, I wrote JCL to compile a Fortran program >>>for checking on a 3090 where CPU time was cheap and the error >>>messages were better. If it was OK it was sent across to an >>>expensive vector computer using JES2, compiled and executed it >>>there, and then a job was cross-submitted to the 3090 to transfer >>>the files back and do the rest of the processing. Around 150 >>>lines of JCL, and it wasn't pretty, but it worked). >> >> Oh, touch you, you wrote 150 lines of JCL once. > >A bit further above, you asked if I had ever compiled anything on >MVS. In here, you read that I did, and you even commented on that. Look, I've written Python code that writes that much JCL. I was questioning your level of real world experience. It is obviously very low. You may be a whizbang on open source where the worst that happens when it goes bust is that somebody is mean to you on an online forum, but that's not the world I live in. If our code doesn't work I have to beat on it until it does. And if that means grabbing a catnap on the conference room table and living on coffee for three days it does. If you haven't ever lived that life then don't tell the rest of us how great you are. >A hint: It makes sense to scroll up a text and read it again >before posting, to see if the remarks made above still fit. >If you don't do that, and miss something obvious like just now, >it might just create the impression of an incoherent rant, and >you don't want that, do you? And they do still fit. You're coming across as a typical hotshot kid who walks into a mainframe shop planning on showing the old fogeys how it's done. And the fogeys will let the kid do it up to a point. But after the third or fourth time that the kid has been rousted out of bed at 2 AM to fix whatever he broke that has brought down production (the fogeys are being mean--if they kid's not there they'll just toss his busted code down the crapper and link in the version that works) the kid gets the idea that maybe there are things he doesn't know. >>>But yes, those were the days when IBM-compatible mainframes were >>>still competetive for numerical work. It's been a while. >> >> It's clear that you are more concerned with playing with toys than >> getting work done. All of your reasons for using gcc on MVS instead >> of VS Fortran really boil down to my having to work harder to get no >> actual benefit. > >Why would you have to work hader for this? I'm Well, first there's the uphill battle against management to get your open source wondercompiler installed on the system. Then there's the time it takes to beat it into submission so that it actually links to the existing codebase, if that can be done at all. And then there's all the nonstandard procs that someone has to write and maintain. And then we make a change in a module and the wundercompiler won't compile it. So now we have to figure out what we have to change to make it compile. And then we have to TEST THAT DAMNED UNNECESSARY CHANGE to prove that it doesn't change the result of any important calculation, which it likely will, and then the actuaries and accountants and lawyers have to spend expensive analysis time figuring out whether than tenth of a cent that the damned piece of crap is off is something that's going to bite us. So what does it gain me, personally, that is worth the hassle? >If you want modern Fortran on a zSystem, then you currently have >to run Linux. gfortran works out of the box, I'm not sure about >clang / flang. Who said I want "modern Fortran"? You're the one who wants "modern Fortran". >It is a very sad state of affairs that MVS has no modern Fortran >compiler. IBM certainly could port xlf to MVS, using the existing >middle and back end of the C/C++ compiler. Porting gcc and gfortran >would probably be more effort, especially because of library. > >IMHO, everybody should have access to a modern Fortran compiler on >his favourite system :-) Well that's nice. We should all have free ice cream and a pony too.
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