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  New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-18 19:47 -0800
    Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O Lenovo Support <noreply@lenovo.com> - 2025-01-19 05:54 +0000
      Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-18 22:30 -0800
        Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O Lenovo Support <noreply@lenovo.com> - 2025-01-19 19:44 +0000
          Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-19 16:48 -0800
            Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O Lenovo Support <noreply@lenovo.com> - 2025-01-20 06:24 +0000
              Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-19 22:58 -0800
              Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-21 13:43 +0100
                Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O Herzi Halevi <Herzi.Halevi@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-21 15:23 +0000
                Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-01-21 10:00 -0700
                  Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-21 20:12 +0100
            Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O Lenovo Support <noreply@lenovo.com> - 2025-01-21 01:39 +0000
              Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-20 20:11 -0800
              Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-01-21 11:47 +0000
              Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-22 15:11 -0800
              Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-02-01 20:59 +1100
                Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-01 10:29 -0800
      Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> - 2025-01-20 09:05 +1100
    Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-01-19 12:40 -0700
      Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-19 16:27 -0800
        Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-01-21 03:32 -0700
          Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-21 10:52 -0800
            Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-01-21 22:05 -0700
              Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-22 14:47 -0800
                Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-01-23 01:20 -0700
                  Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-23 12:36 +0000
                    Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-23 22:03 -0800
                  Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-23 22:01 -0800
                    Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-01-25 03:36 -0700
                      Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-25 22:03 -0800
                        Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-01-26 01:32 -0700
                          Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-26 03:40 -0800
                          Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-26 05:05 -0800
                            Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-01-27 02:21 -0700
                              Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-27 06:58 -0800
                                Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-01-27 22:36 -0700
                                  Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-27 23:17 -0800

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#16443

T wrote on 1/19/25 5:27 PM:
> On 1/19/25 11:40 AM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>> Did you wipe the device and reinstall the Lenovo as shipped image, or 
>> did you wipe, the device and clean install Windows using Win11 media?
> 
> Complete wipe and reinstall with Windows 11 (Tiny -11)

Next time, set up M365 purcahased/included on an OEM device by 
installing/activating with an MSA before wiping the device and installing 
a single-developer student(in Bucharist) stripped build.
  - M365 download and subscription will be in the online MSA subscription 
sections with options to install and also download offline installer.

-- 
...w¡ñ§±¤ñ

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#16450

On 1/21/25 2:32 AM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
> T wrote on 1/19/25 5:27 PM:
>> On 1/19/25 11:40 AM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>>> Did you wipe the device and reinstall the Lenovo as shipped image, or 
>>> did you wipe, the device and clean install Windows using Win11 media?
>>
>> Complete wipe and reinstall with Windows 11 (Tiny -11)
> 
> Next time, set up M365 purcahased/included on an OEM device by 
> installing/activating with an MSA before wiping the device and 
> installing a single-developer student(in Bucharist) stripped build.
>   - M365 download and subscription will be in the online MSA 
> subscription sections with options to install and also download offline 
> installer.
> 

That runs up the customer bill.  I will just get the link from
Lenovo.   The customer may have gotten it and erased
it thinking it was spam.  But now I know what to ask support
for in the future.

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#16455

T wrote on 1/21/25 11:52 AM:
> On 1/21/25 2:32 AM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>> T wrote on 1/19/25 5:27 PM:
>>> On 1/19/25 11:40 AM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>>>> Did you wipe the device and reinstall the Lenovo as shipped image, or 
>>>> did you wipe, the device and clean install Windows using Win11 media?
>>>
>>> Complete wipe and reinstall with Windows 11 (Tiny -11)
>>
>> Next time, set up M365 purcahased/included on an OEM device by 
>> installing/activating with an MSA before wiping the device and 
>> installing a single-developer student(in Bucharist) stripped build.
>>   - M365 download and subscription will be in the online MSA 
>> subscription sections with options to install and also download offline 
>> installer.
>>
> 
> That runs up the customer bill.  I will just get the link from
> Lenovo.   The customer may have gotten it and erased
> it thinking it was spam.  But now I know what to ask support
> for in the future.

At your benefit?
  Does that mean if you deployed an OEM device with pre-installed Office 
you'd charge them more?
  - i.e. to fully setup M365(or Office stand-alone) on the device(which 
is where the licensing for pre-installed Office lies) to ensure that the 
pre-purcahsed application is present and available in their Microsoft 
account when the device is turned over for their use.


-- 
...w¡ñ§±¤ñ

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#16469

On 1/21/25 9:05 PM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
> T wrote on 1/21/25 11:52 AM:
>> On 1/21/25 2:32 AM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>>> T wrote on 1/19/25 5:27 PM:
>>>> On 1/19/25 11:40 AM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>>>>> Did you wipe the device and reinstall the Lenovo as shipped image, 
>>>>> or did you wipe, the device and clean install Windows using Win11 
>>>>> media?
>>>>
>>>> Complete wipe and reinstall with Windows 11 (Tiny -11)
>>>
>>> Next time, set up M365 purcahased/included on an OEM device by 
>>> installing/activating with an MSA before wiping the device and 
>>> installing a single-developer student(in Bucharist) stripped build.
>>>   - M365 download and subscription will be in the online MSA 
>>> subscription sections with options to install and also download 
>>> offline installer.
>>>
>>
>> That runs up the customer bill.  I will just get the link from
>> Lenovo.   The customer may have gotten it and erased
>> it thinking it was spam.  But now I know what to ask support
>> for in the future.
> 
> At your benefit?
>   Does that mean if you deployed an OEM device with pre-installed Office 
> you'd charge them more?
>   - i.e. to fully setup M365(or Office stand-alone) on the device(which 
> is where the licensing for pre-installed Office lies) to ensure that the 
> pre-purcahsed application is present and available in their Microsoft 
> account when the device is turned over for their use.
> 
> 


Why would I want to install stock W11 just to remove
it again?  Lenovo was support to send out the link.
Maybe they did and the customer junk filed it.

One installation of W11 is cheaper than two.  And
Tiny-11 does not come with all the preinstalled
vendor junkware.  Yes, Malware Byte does remove
the stuff, but not one drive, edge, etc..

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#16472

T wrote on 1/22/25 3:47 PM:
> On 1/21/25 9:05 PM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>> T wrote on 1/21/25 11:52 AM:
>>> On 1/21/25 2:32 AM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>>>> T wrote on 1/19/25 5:27 PM:
>>>>> On 1/19/25 11:40 AM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>>>>>> Did you wipe the device and reinstall the Lenovo as shipped image, 
>>>>>> or did you wipe, the device and clean install Windows using Win11 
>>>>>> media?
>>>>>
>>>>> Complete wipe and reinstall with Windows 11 (Tiny -11)
>>>>
>>>> Next time, set up M365 purcahased/included on an OEM device by 
>>>> installing/activating with an MSA before wiping the device and 
>>>> installing a single-developer student(in Bucharist) stripped build.
>>>>   - M365 download and subscription will be in the online MSA 
>>>> subscription sections with options to install and also download 
>>>> offline installer.
>>>>
>>>
>>> That runs up the customer bill.  I will just get the link from
>>> Lenovo.   The customer may have gotten it and erased
>>> it thinking it was spam.  But now I know what to ask support
>>> for in the future.
>>
>> At your benefit?
>>   Does that mean if you deployed an OEM device with pre-installed 
>> Office you'd charge them more?
>>   - i.e. to fully setup M365(or Office stand-alone) on the device(which 
>> is where the licensing for pre-installed Office lies) to ensure that 
>> the pre-purcahsed application is present and available in their 
>> Microsoft account when the device is turned over for their use.
>>
>>
> 
> 
> Why would I want to install stock W11 just to remove
> it again?  Lenovo was support to send out the link.
> Maybe they did and the customer junk filed it.
> 
> One installation of W11 is cheaper than two.  And
> Tiny-11 does not come with all the preinstalled
> vendor junkware.  Yes, Malware Byte does remove
> the stuff, but not one drive, edge, etc..
> 

Not following along?
  You initially stated/claimed it was a new device from Lenovo(Win11) and 
an invoice showing stand-alone Office 2024 Home.  Stock Win11 and O2K24 
bits were already on the device.
  That new device already had O2K24-HS installed and hardware tied to the 
device. Activation by opening any Office program with an MSA was all that 
was needed.
  - No cab file needed, no need to waste time asking Lenovo for help(you 
wiped the device and bypassed activation of an included purchased product 
for the sole reason of installing Win11 or Tiny11(probably worthy but by 
doing so created extra work.)

Once Office was activated the MSA account includes the two installers
  - stub installer
  - full offline download
  Both when run performing the same Click-to-Run Install, tne only 
difference(the latter has all the bits but not necessarily active (use 
enables for all future use); the former streams the additional bits down 
automatically when features not previously needed are used, again 
enabling for use. The program main components and normal features in 
either are identical.
- i.e. you had to ask for something that would have been easily available 
post Lenovo'w activation instructions in the customer's MSA online 
account/Subscriptions/'Products you've purchased'. Additionally by using 
the cab file(same as the full installer) installed additional bits on the 
hard drive/ssd as opposed to CTR-stream down when needed for current and 
future use...in almost all cases, no one(and likely your customer) needed.

By wiping the device, and installing Tiny11(or any same purchased edition 
of Win11) before activating Office you created more work(chat line for 
over an hour, and who knows how much other looking/surfing was done, 
including asking here).

As noted, the process before wiping to activate Office 2024 Home was 
easily achievable with less work.
  - Office 2024 Home and Business(more programs than Home) takes less 
than 20 min for the full installer before use; about 10-12 min with the 
stub which allows use during other base bits download/install
  - M365 Family takes about 26 min. for the full installer(longer as it 
should) since the same as Office 2024 Home base programs but also 
includes other apps, Outlook, and Access + Publisher(these two are PC 
only use),i.e. no mobile use for only these two.

All the above activate almost immediately, thus the time expended for 
activation of all editions/versions has no significantly difference.

Office 2024(and it's not a new Lenovo licensing scheme - activation of 
the product purchased and present on the machine has been the norm for 
earlier Office stand-alone and M365 versions)
  - OEM ties purchase to hardware, MSA activates installed bits for use

One could have activated Office 2024 on the as-shipped device, obtained 
the Office 2024 bits in the MSA(before or after wiping the device and 
reinstalling Win11(or Tiny11)..the time required for Office(activate on 
as-shipped, install on post wipe) will always be less than the time and 
effort in your explained scenario with Lenovo support(phone, here, etc.)

The installation of Tiny11 has no bearing on the process, time, effort to 
activate, download, install Office(OEM or retail purchase).

-- 
...w¡ñ§±¤ñ

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#16473

..w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
> T wrote on 1/22/25 3:47 PM:
>> On 1/21/25 9:05 PM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>>> T wrote on 1/21/25 11:52 AM:
>>>> On 1/21/25 2:32 AM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>>>>> T wrote on 1/19/25 5:27 PM:
>>>>>> On 1/19/25 11:40 AM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>>>>>>> Did you wipe the device and reinstall the Lenovo as shipped image, 
>>>>>>> or did you wipe, the device and clean install Windows using Win11 
>>>>>>> media?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Complete wipe and reinstall with Windows 11 (Tiny -11)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Next time, set up M365 purcahased/included on an OEM device by 
>>>>> installing/activating with an MSA before wiping the device and 
>>>>> installing a single-developer student(in Bucharist) stripped build.
>>>>>   - M365 download and subscription will be in the online MSA 
>>>>> subscription sections with options to install and also download 
>>>>> offline installer.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> That runs up the customer bill.  I will just get the link from
>>>> Lenovo.   The customer may have gotten it and erased
>>>> it thinking it was spam.  But now I know what to ask support
>>>> for in the future.
>>> 
>>> At your benefit?
>>>   Does that mean if you deployed an OEM device with pre-installed 
>>> Office you'd charge them more?
>>>   - i.e. to fully setup M365(or Office stand-alone) on the device(which 
>>> is where the licensing for pre-installed Office lies) to ensure that 
>>> the pre-purcahsed application is present and available in their 
>>> Microsoft account when the device is turned over for their use.
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Why would I want to install stock W11 just to remove
>> it again?  Lenovo was support to send out the link.
>> Maybe they did and the customer junk filed it.
>> 
>> One installation of W11 is cheaper than two.  And
>> Tiny-11 does not come with all the preinstalled
>> vendor junkware.  Yes, Malware Byte does remove
>> the stuff, but not one drive, edge, etc..
>> 
> 
> Not following along?
>  You initially stated/claimed it was a new device from Lenovo(Win11) and 
> an invoice showing stand-alone Office 2024 Home.  Stock Win11 and O2K24 
> bits were already on the device.
>  That new device already had O2K24-HS installed and hardware tied to the 
> device. Activation by opening any Office program with an MSA was all that 
> was needed.
>  - No cab file needed, no need to waste time asking Lenovo for help(you 
> wiped the device and bypassed activation of an included purchased product 
> for the sole reason of installing Win11 or Tiny11(probably worthy but by 
> doing so created extra work.)
> 
> Once Office was activated the MSA account includes the two installers
>  - stub installer
>  - full offline download
>  Both when run performing the same Click-to-Run Install, tne only 
> difference(the latter has all the bits but not necessarily active (use 
> enables for all future use); the former streams the additional bits down 
> automatically when features not previously needed are used, again 
> enabling for use. The program main components and normal features in 
> either are identical.
> - i.e. you had to ask for something that would have been easily available 
> post Lenovo'w activation instructions in the customer's MSA online 
> account/Subscriptions/'Products you've purchased'. Additionally by using 
> the cab file(same as the full installer) installed additional bits on the 
> hard drive/ssd as opposed to CTR-stream down when needed for current and 
> future use...in almost all cases, no one(and likely your customer) needed.
> 
> By wiping the device, and installing Tiny11(or any same purchased edition 
> of Win11) before activating Office you created more work(chat line for 
> over an hour, and who knows how much other looking/surfing was done, 
> including asking here).
> 
> As noted, the process before wiping to activate Office 2024 Home was 
> easily achievable with less work.
>  - Office 2024 Home and Business(more programs than Home) takes less 
> than 20 min for the full installer before use; about 10-12 min with the 
> stub which allows use during other base bits download/install
>  - M365 Family takes about 26 min. for the full installer(longer as it 
> should) since the same as Office 2024 Home base programs but also 
> includes other apps, Outlook, and Access + Publisher(these two are PC 
> only use),i.e. no mobile use for only these two.
> 
> All the above activate almost immediately, thus the time expended for 
> activation of all editions/versions has no significantly difference.
> 
> Office 2024(and it's not a new Lenovo licensing scheme - activation of 
> the product purchased and present on the machine has been the norm for 
> earlier Office stand-alone and M365 versions)
>  - OEM ties purchase to hardware, MSA activates installed bits for use
> 
> One could have activated Office 2024 on the as-shipped device, obtained 
> the Office 2024 bits in the MSA(before or after wiping the device and 
> reinstalling Win11(or Tiny11)..the time required for Office(activate on 
> as-shipped, install on post wipe) will always be less than the time and 
> effort in your explained scenario with Lenovo support(phone, here, etc.)
> 
> The installation of Tiny11 has no bearing on the process, time, effort to 
> activate, download, install Office(OEM or retail purchase).

I hope you're billing T for your time spent helping his business. He can
charge it against his "training" budget. 

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#16488

On 1/23/25 4:36 AM, Chris wrote:
> I hope you're billing T for your time spent helping his business. He can
> charge it against his "training" budget.

See my response to Winston.  He did not
have all the new information about the new
activation method.   I do feel bad that
he put so much effort into explaining the
old method Lenovo used.

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#16487

On 1/23/25 12:20 AM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
> T wrote on 1/22/25 3:47 PM:
>> On 1/21/25 9:05 PM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>>> T wrote on 1/21/25 11:52 AM:
>>>> On 1/21/25 2:32 AM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>>>>> T wrote on 1/19/25 5:27 PM:
>>>>>> On 1/19/25 11:40 AM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>>>>>>> Did you wipe the device and reinstall the Lenovo as shipped 
>>>>>>> image, or did you wipe, the device and clean install Windows 
>>>>>>> using Win11 media?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Complete wipe and reinstall with Windows 11 (Tiny -11)
>>>>>
>>>>> Next time, set up M365 purcahased/included on an OEM device by 
>>>>> installing/activating with an MSA before wiping the device and 
>>>>> installing a single-developer student(in Bucharist) stripped build.
>>>>>   - M365 download and subscription will be in the online MSA 
>>>>> subscription sections with options to install and also download 
>>>>> offline installer.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That runs up the customer bill.  I will just get the link from
>>>> Lenovo.   The customer may have gotten it and erased
>>>> it thinking it was spam.  But now I know what to ask support
>>>> for in the future.
>>>
>>> At your benefit?
>>>   Does that mean if you deployed an OEM device with pre-installed 
>>> Office you'd charge them more?
>>>   - i.e. to fully setup M365(or Office stand-alone) on the 
>>> device(which is where the licensing for pre-installed Office lies) to 
>>> ensure that the pre-purcahsed application is present and available in 
>>> their Microsoft account when the device is turned over for their use.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Why would I want to install stock W11 just to remove
>> it again?  Lenovo was support to send out the link.
>> Maybe they did and the customer junk filed it.
>>
>> One installation of W11 is cheaper than two.  And
>> Tiny-11 does not come with all the preinstalled
>> vendor junkware.  Yes, Malware Byte does remove
>> the stuff, but not one drive, edge, etc..
>>
> 
> Not following along?
>   You initially stated/claimed it was a new device from Lenovo(Win11) 
> and an invoice showing stand-alone Office 2024 Home.  Stock Win11 and 
> O2K24 bits were already on the device.
>   That new device already had O2K24-HS installed and hardware tied to 
> the device. Activation by opening any Office program with an MSA was all 
> that was needed.
>   - No cab file needed, no need to waste time asking Lenovo for help(you 
> wiped the device and bypassed activation of an included purchased 
> product for the sole reason of installing Win11 or Tiny11(probably 
> worthy but by doing so created extra work.)
> 
> Once Office was activated the MSA account includes the two installers
>   - stub installer
>   - full offline download
>   Both when run performing the same Click-to-Run Install, tne only 
> difference(the latter has all the bits but not necessarily active (use 
> enables for all future use); the former streams the additional bits down 
> automatically when features not previously needed are used, again 
> enabling for use. The program main components and normal features in 
> either are identical.
> - i.e. you had to ask for something that would have been easily 
> available post Lenovo'w activation instructions in the customer's MSA 
> online account/Subscriptions/'Products you've purchased'. Additionally 
> by using the cab file(same as the full installer) installed additional 
> bits on the hard drive/ssd as opposed to CTR-stream down when needed for 
> current and future use...in almost all cases, no one(and likely your 
> customer) needed.
> 
> By wiping the device, and installing Tiny11(or any same purchased 
> edition of Win11) before activating Office you created more work(chat 
> line for over an hour, and who knows how much other looking/surfing was 
> done, including asking here).
> 
> As noted, the process before wiping to activate Office 2024 Home was 
> easily achievable with less work.
>   - Office 2024 Home and Business(more programs than Home) takes less 
> than 20 min for the full installer before use; about 10-12 min with the 
> stub which allows use during other base bits download/install
>   - M365 Family takes about 26 min. for the full installer(longer as it 
> should) since the same as Office 2024 Home base programs but also 
> includes other apps, Outlook, and Access + Publisher(these two are PC 
> only use),i.e. no mobile use for only these two.
> 
> All the above activate almost immediately, thus the time expended for 
> activation of all editions/versions has no significantly difference.
> 
> Office 2024(and it's not a new Lenovo licensing scheme - activation of 
> the product purchased and present on the machine has been the norm for 
> earlier Office stand-alone and M365 versions)
>   - OEM ties purchase to hardware, MSA activates installed bits for use
> 
> One could have activated Office 2024 on the as-shipped device, obtained 
> the Office 2024 bits in the MSA(before or after wiping the device and 
> reinstalling Win11(or Tiny11)..the time required for Office(activate on 
> as-shipped, install on post wipe) will always be less than the time and 
> effort in your explained scenario with Lenovo support(phone, here, etc.)
> 
> The installation of Tiny11 has no bearing on the process, time, effort 
> to activate, download, install Office(OEM or retail purchase).
> 


Hi Winston,

You put a lot of work into that.  It is much appreciated.

I can understand your frustration.  The above was
the old method Lenovo used.  Amazon too.  I must have
done 40 of these installations now and was expecting
the same thing.

If you look at
  
https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/solutions/ht505479-windows-support-center-office

it states:
     You will *not* receive a physical product key to activate your
     software. For security reasons, Lenovo does not have access
     to your key. The license is assigned to the serial number
     associated with the hardware Office or Microsoft 365 was
     purchased with.

     The Microsoft Office is assigned to the computer and needs
     to be associated with a Microsoft Office Account before it
     can be redeemed. This means that in order to activate the
     software, a Microsoft account will need to be used. If you
     do not have a Microsoft account, you can create one at the
     sign in page (Sign in).

     The following procedure applies to:

         Microsoft Office 2021
         Microsoft 365
         Microsoft Office 2024

     Do not click on "My Office" or "Get office" applications to
     activate your software, as shown in the following image.
     Doing this may prevent you from activating the Office
     that was purchased.

If you scroll down the link about 1/3 the way to step 2:

      If activating Microsoft Office before activating
      Microsoft Windows, and you see a "Try/Buy and Activate"
      Message, click here to download, and run the Microsoft
      Office Activation file: cssemerg97275.

This is the "cab" file to activate you license.  It
shows a picture of it too.

Lenovo is "suppose" to eMail the link to this cab file
for to download.  It is specific to you and your purchase.
My customer did not get this link or she deleted it.
It is hard to tell which.  But Lenovo's tech support
can easily resend it.

But the cab file can not activate what does not exist.

Here is where you download (an unactivated) version of
Office:

     32Bit
  
<https://c2rsetup.officeapps.live.com/c2r/download.aspx?ProductreleaseID=Home2024Retail&platform=x86&language=en-us&version=O16GA>

     64Bit
  
<https://c2rsetup.officeapps.live.com/c2r/download.aspx?ProductreleaseID=Home2024Retail&platform=x64&language=en-us&version=O16GA>

     Full Retail:
  
<https://officecdn.microsoft.com/db/492350f6-3a01-4f97-b9c0-c7c6ddf67d60/media/en-us/Home2024Retail.img>

Then you run the of customized "cab" to activate Office.

Again, thank you for all the work you put into your letter.
It is much appreciated.


Many thanks,
-T (T/Mr.T/Todd/Dude/His Resplendence)

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#16510

T wrote on 1/23/25 11:01 PM:
> On 1/23/25 12:20 AM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>> T wrote on 1/22/25 3:47 PM:
>>> On 1/21/25 9:05 PM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>>>> T wrote on 1/21/25 11:52 AM:
>>>>> On 1/21/25 2:32 AM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>>>>>> T wrote on 1/19/25 5:27 PM:
>>>>>>> On 1/19/25 11:40 AM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>>>>>>>> Did you wipe the device and reinstall the Lenovo as shipped 
>>>>>>>> image, or did you wipe, the device and clean install Windows 
>>>>>>>> using Win11 media?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Complete wipe and reinstall with Windows 11 (Tiny -11)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Next time, set up M365 purcahased/included on an OEM device by 
>>>>>> installing/activating with an MSA before wiping the device and 
>>>>>> installing a single-developer student(in Bucharist) stripped build.
>>>>>>   - M365 download and subscription will be in the online MSA 
>>>>>> subscription sections with options to install and also download 
>>>>>> offline installer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That runs up the customer bill.  I will just get the link from
>>>>> Lenovo.   The customer may have gotten it and erased
>>>>> it thinking it was spam.  But now I know what to ask support
>>>>> for in the future.
>>>>
>>>> At your benefit?
>>>>   Does that mean if you deployed an OEM device with pre-installed 
>>>> Office you'd charge them more?
>>>>   - i.e. to fully setup M365(or Office stand-alone) on the 
>>>> device(which is where the licensing for pre-installed Office lies) to 
>>>> ensure that the pre-purcahsed application is present and available in 
>>>> their Microsoft account when the device is turned over for their use.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Why would I want to install stock W11 just to remove
>>> it again?  Lenovo was support to send out the link.
>>> Maybe they did and the customer junk filed it.
>>>
>>> One installation of W11 is cheaper than two.  And
>>> Tiny-11 does not come with all the preinstalled
>>> vendor junkware.  Yes, Malware Byte does remove
>>> the stuff, but not one drive, edge, etc..
>>>
>>
>> Not following along?
>>   You initially stated/claimed it was a new device from Lenovo(Win11) 
>> and an invoice showing stand-alone Office 2024 Home.  Stock Win11 and 
>> O2K24 bits were already on the device.
>>   That new device already had O2K24-HS installed and hardware tied to 
>> the device. Activation by opening any Office program with an MSA was 
>> all that was needed.
>>   - No cab file needed, no need to waste time asking Lenovo for 
>> help(you wiped the device and bypassed activation of an included 
>> purchased product for the sole reason of installing Win11 or 
>> Tiny11(probably worthy but by doing so created extra work.)
>>
>> Once Office was activated the MSA account includes the two installers
>>   - stub installer
>>   - full offline download
>>   Both when run performing the same Click-to-Run Install, tne only 
>> difference(the latter has all the bits but not necessarily active (use 
>> enables for all future use); the former streams the additional bits 
>> down automatically when features not previously needed are used, again 
>> enabling for use. The program main components and normal features in 
>> either are identical.
>> - i.e. you had to ask for something that would have been easily 
>> available post Lenovo'w activation instructions in the customer's MSA 
>> online account/Subscriptions/'Products you've purchased'. Additionally 
>> by using the cab file(same as the full installer) installed additional 
>> bits on the hard drive/ssd as opposed to CTR-stream down when needed 
>> for current and future use...in almost all cases, no one(and likely 
>> your customer) needed.
>>
>> By wiping the device, and installing Tiny11(or any same purchased 
>> edition of Win11) before activating Office you created more work(chat 
>> line for over an hour, and who knows how much other looking/surfing was 
>> done, including asking here).
>>
>> As noted, the process before wiping to activate Office 2024 Home was 
>> easily achievable with less work.
>>   - Office 2024 Home and Business(more programs than Home) takes less 
>> than 20 min for the full installer before use; about 10-12 min with the 
>> stub which allows use during other base bits download/install
>>   - M365 Family takes about 26 min. for the full installer(longer as it 
>> should) since the same as Office 2024 Home base programs but also 
>> includes other apps, Outlook, and Access + Publisher(these two are PC 
>> only use),i.e. no mobile use for only these two.
>>
>> All the above activate almost immediately, thus the time expended for 
>> activation of all editions/versions has no significantly difference.
>>
>> Office 2024(and it's not a new Lenovo licensing scheme - activation of 
>> the product purchased and present on the machine has been the norm for 
>> earlier Office stand-alone and M365 versions)
>>   - OEM ties purchase to hardware, MSA activates installed bits for use
>>
>> One could have activated Office 2024 on the as-shipped device, obtained 
>> the Office 2024 bits in the MSA(before or after wiping the device and 
>> reinstalling Win11(or Tiny11)..the time required for Office(activate on 
>> as-shipped, install on post wipe) will always be less than the time and 
>> effort in your explained scenario with Lenovo support(phone, here, etc.)
>>
>> The installation of Tiny11 has no bearing on the process, time, effort 
>> to activate, download, install Office(OEM or retail purchase).
>>
> 
> 
> Hi Winston,
> 
> You put a lot of work into that.  It is much appreciated.
> 
> I can understand your frustration.  The above was
> the old method Lenovo used.  Amazon too.  I must have
> done 40 of these installations now and was expecting
> the same thing.
> 
> If you look at
> 
> https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/solutions/ht505479-windows-support-center-office 
> 
> 
> it states:
>      You will *not* receive a physical product key to activate your
>      software. For security reasons, Lenovo does not have access
>      to your key. The license is assigned to the serial number
>      associated with the hardware Office or Microsoft 365 was
>      purchased with.
> 
>      The Microsoft Office is assigned to the computer and needs
>      to be associated with a Microsoft Office Account before it
>      can be redeemed. This means that in order to activate the
>      software, a Microsoft account will need to be used. If you
>      do not have a Microsoft account, you can create one at the
>      sign in page (Sign in).
> 
>      The following procedure applies to:
> 
>          Microsoft Office 2021
>          Microsoft 365
>          Microsoft Office 2024
> 
>      Do not click on "My Office" or "Get office" applications to
>      activate your software, as shown in the following image.
>      Doing this may prevent you from activating the Office
>      that was purchased.
> 
> If you scroll down the link about 1/3 the way to step 2:
> 
>       If activating Microsoft Office before activating
>       Microsoft Windows, and you see a "Try/Buy and Activate"
>       Message, click here to download, and run the Microsoft
>       Office Activation file: cssemerg97275.
> 
> This is the "cab" file to activate you license.  It
> shows a picture of it too.
> 
> Lenovo is "suppose" to eMail the link to this cab file
> for to download.  It is specific to you and your purchase.
> My customer did not get this link or she deleted it.
> It is hard to tell which.  But Lenovo's tech support
> can easily resend it.
> 
> But the cab file can not activate what does not exist.
> 
> Here is where you download (an unactivated) version of
> Office:
> 
>      32Bit
> 
> <https://c2rsetup.officeapps.live.com/c2r/download.aspx?ProductreleaseID=Home2024Retail&platform=x86&language=en-us&version=O16GA> 
> 
> 
>      64Bit
> 
> <https://c2rsetup.officeapps.live.com/c2r/download.aspx?ProductreleaseID=Home2024Retail&platform=x64&language=en-us&version=O16GA> 
> 
> 
>      Full Retail:
> 
> <https://officecdn.microsoft.com/db/492350f6-3a01-4f97-b9c0-c7c6ddf67d60/media/en-us/Home2024Retail.img> 
> 
> 
> Then you run the of customized "cab" to activate Office.
> 
> Again, thank you for all the work you put into your letter.
> It is much appreciated.
> 
> 
> Many thanks,
> -T (T/Mr.T/Todd/Dude/His Resplendence)
> 
> 

Re-read the Lenovo instructions.

You did not need to download the cab file.
  - the only reason necessary to do so, is not having activated Office 
with a MSFT account before wiping the device.
  - i.e. you created more work by wiping it, removing the pre-installed 
Office tied to the device hardware and, thus, needed the cab file

=> Again, if you did not wipe the device, all that was necessary was to 
open any Office program and assign and activate the installed software 
with the customer's MSA. The Microsoft server will identify the device as 
associated with the purchased Office product then digitally and 
additionally link the MSA(two digital links - the associated hardware and 
the MSA). Thereafter, the MSA will have both stub and full installers, if 
needed in the future(after wiping or any clean install on the same device)

  i.e. you did not need the cab file, or spend all that time with Lenovo.
  - your entire effort could have been shortened to less than one half 
hour, if done properly per Lenovo's instructions.


-- 
...w¡ñ§±¤ñ

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#16525

On 1/25/25 2:36 AM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
> T wrote on 1/23/25 11:01 PM:
>> On 1/23/25 12:20 AM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>>> T wrote on 1/22/25 3:47 PM:
>>>> On 1/21/25 9:05 PM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>>>>> T wrote on 1/21/25 11:52 AM:
>>>>>> On 1/21/25 2:32 AM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>>>>>>> T wrote on 1/19/25 5:27 PM:
>>>>>>>> On 1/19/25 11:40 AM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Did you wipe the device and reinstall the Lenovo as shipped 
>>>>>>>>> image, or did you wipe, the device and clean install Windows 
>>>>>>>>> using Win11 media?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Complete wipe and reinstall with Windows 11 (Tiny -11)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Next time, set up M365 purcahased/included on an OEM device by 
>>>>>>> installing/activating with an MSA before wiping the device and 
>>>>>>> installing a single-developer student(in Bucharist) stripped build.
>>>>>>>   - M365 download and subscription will be in the online MSA 
>>>>>>> subscription sections with options to install and also download 
>>>>>>> offline installer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That runs up the customer bill.  I will just get the link from
>>>>>> Lenovo.   The customer may have gotten it and erased
>>>>>> it thinking it was spam.  But now I know what to ask support
>>>>>> for in the future.
>>>>>
>>>>> At your benefit?
>>>>>   Does that mean if you deployed an OEM device with pre-installed 
>>>>> Office you'd charge them more?
>>>>>   - i.e. to fully setup M365(or Office stand-alone) on the 
>>>>> device(which is where the licensing for pre-installed Office lies) 
>>>>> to ensure that the pre-purcahsed application is present and 
>>>>> available in their Microsoft account when the device is turned over 
>>>>> for their use.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why would I want to install stock W11 just to remove
>>>> it again?  Lenovo was support to send out the link.
>>>> Maybe they did and the customer junk filed it.
>>>>
>>>> One installation of W11 is cheaper than two.  And
>>>> Tiny-11 does not come with all the preinstalled
>>>> vendor junkware.  Yes, Malware Byte does remove
>>>> the stuff, but not one drive, edge, etc..
>>>>
>>>
>>> Not following along?
>>>   You initially stated/claimed it was a new device from Lenovo(Win11) 
>>> and an invoice showing stand-alone Office 2024 Home.  Stock Win11 and 
>>> O2K24 bits were already on the device.
>>>   That new device already had O2K24-HS installed and hardware tied to 
>>> the device. Activation by opening any Office program with an MSA was 
>>> all that was needed.
>>>   - No cab file needed, no need to waste time asking Lenovo for 
>>> help(you wiped the device and bypassed activation of an included 
>>> purchased product for the sole reason of installing Win11 or 
>>> Tiny11(probably worthy but by doing so created extra work.)
>>>
>>> Once Office was activated the MSA account includes the two installers
>>>   - stub installer
>>>   - full offline download
>>>   Both when run performing the same Click-to-Run Install, tne only 
>>> difference(the latter has all the bits but not necessarily active 
>>> (use enables for all future use); the former streams the additional 
>>> bits down automatically when features not previously needed are used, 
>>> again enabling for use. The program main components and normal 
>>> features in either are identical.
>>> - i.e. you had to ask for something that would have been easily 
>>> available post Lenovo'w activation instructions in the customer's MSA 
>>> online account/Subscriptions/'Products you've purchased'. 
>>> Additionally by using the cab file(same as the full installer) 
>>> installed additional bits on the hard drive/ssd as opposed to CTR- 
>>> stream down when needed for current and future use...in almost all 
>>> cases, no one(and likely your customer) needed.
>>>
>>> By wiping the device, and installing Tiny11(or any same purchased 
>>> edition of Win11) before activating Office you created more work(chat 
>>> line for over an hour, and who knows how much other looking/surfing 
>>> was done, including asking here).
>>>
>>> As noted, the process before wiping to activate Office 2024 Home was 
>>> easily achievable with less work.
>>>   - Office 2024 Home and Business(more programs than Home) takes less 
>>> than 20 min for the full installer before use; about 10-12 min with 
>>> the stub which allows use during other base bits download/install
>>>   - M365 Family takes about 26 min. for the full installer(longer as 
>>> it should) since the same as Office 2024 Home base programs but also 
>>> includes other apps, Outlook, and Access + Publisher(these two are PC 
>>> only use),i.e. no mobile use for only these two.
>>>
>>> All the above activate almost immediately, thus the time expended for 
>>> activation of all editions/versions has no significantly difference.
>>>
>>> Office 2024(and it's not a new Lenovo licensing scheme - activation 
>>> of the product purchased and present on the machine has been the norm 
>>> for earlier Office stand-alone and M365 versions)
>>>   - OEM ties purchase to hardware, MSA activates installed bits for use
>>>
>>> One could have activated Office 2024 on the as-shipped device, 
>>> obtained the Office 2024 bits in the MSA(before or after wiping the 
>>> device and reinstalling Win11(or Tiny11)..the time required for 
>>> Office(activate on as-shipped, install on post wipe) will always be 
>>> less than the time and effort in your explained scenario with Lenovo 
>>> support(phone, here, etc.)
>>>
>>> The installation of Tiny11 has no bearing on the process, time, 
>>> effort to activate, download, install Office(OEM or retail purchase).
>>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Winston,
>>
>> You put a lot of work into that.  It is much appreciated.
>>
>> I can understand your frustration.  The above was
>> the old method Lenovo used.  Amazon too.  I must have
>> done 40 of these installations now and was expecting
>> the same thing.
>>
>> If you look at
>>
>> https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/solutions/ht505479-windows-support- 
>> center-office
>>
>> it states:
>>      You will *not* receive a physical product key to activate your
>>      software. For security reasons, Lenovo does not have access
>>      to your key. The license is assigned to the serial number
>>      associated with the hardware Office or Microsoft 365 was
>>      purchased with.
>>
>>      The Microsoft Office is assigned to the computer and needs
>>      to be associated with a Microsoft Office Account before it
>>      can be redeemed. This means that in order to activate the
>>      software, a Microsoft account will need to be used. If you
>>      do not have a Microsoft account, you can create one at the
>>      sign in page (Sign in).
>>
>>      The following procedure applies to:
>>
>>          Microsoft Office 2021
>>          Microsoft 365
>>          Microsoft Office 2024
>>
>>      Do not click on "My Office" or "Get office" applications to
>>      activate your software, as shown in the following image.
>>      Doing this may prevent you from activating the Office
>>      that was purchased.
>>
>> If you scroll down the link about 1/3 the way to step 2:
>>
>>       If activating Microsoft Office before activating
>>       Microsoft Windows, and you see a "Try/Buy and Activate"
>>       Message, click here to download, and run the Microsoft
>>       Office Activation file: cssemerg97275.
>>
>> This is the "cab" file to activate you license.  It
>> shows a picture of it too.
>>
>> Lenovo is "suppose" to eMail the link to this cab file
>> for to download.  It is specific to you and your purchase.
>> My customer did not get this link or she deleted it.
>> It is hard to tell which.  But Lenovo's tech support
>> can easily resend it.
>>
>> But the cab file can not activate what does not exist.
>>
>> Here is where you download (an unactivated) version of
>> Office:
>>
>>      32Bit
>>
>> <https://c2rsetup.officeapps.live.com/c2r/download.aspx? 
>> ProductreleaseID=Home2024Retail&platform=x86&language=en- 
>> us&version=O16GA>
>>
>>      64Bit
>>
>> <https://c2rsetup.officeapps.live.com/c2r/download.aspx? 
>> ProductreleaseID=Home2024Retail&platform=x64&language=en- 
>> us&version=O16GA>
>>
>>      Full Retail:
>>
>> <https://officecdn.microsoft.com/db/492350f6-3a01-4f97-b9c0- 
>> c7c6ddf67d60/media/en-us/Home2024Retail.img>
>>
>> Then you run the of customized "cab" to activate Office.
>>
>> Again, thank you for all the work you put into your letter.
>> It is much appreciated.
>>
>>
>> Many thanks,
>> -T (T/Mr.T/Todd/Dude/His Resplendence)
>>
>>
> 
> Re-read the Lenovo instructions.
> 
> You did not need to download the cab file.
>   - the only reason necessary to do so, is not having activated Office 
> with a MSFT account before wiping the device.
>   - i.e. you created more work by wiping it, removing the pre-installed 
> Office tied to the device hardware and, thus, needed the cab file
> 
> => Again, if you did not wipe the device, all that was necessary was to 
> open any Office program and assign and activate the installed software 
> with the customer's MSA. The Microsoft server will identify the device 
> as associated with the purchased Office product then digitally and 
> additionally link the MSA(two digital links - the associated hardware 
> and the MSA). Thereafter, the MSA will have both stub and full 
> installers, if needed in the future(after wiping or any clean install on 
> the same device)
> 
>   i.e. you did not need the cab file, or spend all that time with Lenovo.
>   - your entire effort could have been shortened to less than one half 
> hour, if done properly per Lenovo's instructions.
> 
> 


No I read it.

I wiped before doing the initial install of M11.
And will do so again on Wednesday too.

Doing two installs is a waste of my time
and my customer's money.

1. Wipe

2. install Tiny 11

3. install the 64 bit unlicensed version

4. license the turkey with the cab file from Lenovo

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#16527

T wrote on 1/25/25 11:03 PM:
> On 1/25/25 2:36 AM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>> T wrote on 1/23/25 11:01 PM:
>>> On 1/23/25 12:20 AM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>>>> T wrote on 1/22/25 3:47 PM:
>>>>> On 1/21/25 9:05 PM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>>>>>> T wrote on 1/21/25 11:52 AM:
>>>>>>> On 1/21/25 2:32 AM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>>>>>>>> T wrote on 1/19/25 5:27 PM:
>>>>>>>>> On 1/19/25 11:40 AM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Did you wipe the device and reinstall the Lenovo as shipped 
>>>>>>>>>> image, or did you wipe, the device and clean install Windows 
>>>>>>>>>> using Win11 media?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Complete wipe and reinstall with Windows 11 (Tiny -11)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Next time, set up M365 purcahased/included on an OEM device by 
>>>>>>>> installing/activating with an MSA before wiping the device and 
>>>>>>>> installing a single-developer student(in Bucharist) stripped build.
>>>>>>>>   - M365 download and subscription will be in the online MSA 
>>>>>>>> subscription sections with options to install and also download 
>>>>>>>> offline installer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That runs up the customer bill.  I will just get the link from
>>>>>>> Lenovo.   The customer may have gotten it and erased
>>>>>>> it thinking it was spam.  But now I know what to ask support
>>>>>>> for in the future.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At your benefit?
>>>>>>   Does that mean if you deployed an OEM device with pre-installed 
>>>>>> Office you'd charge them more?
>>>>>>   - i.e. to fully setup M365(or Office stand-alone) on the 
>>>>>> device(which is where the licensing for pre-installed Office lies) 
>>>>>> to ensure that the pre-purcahsed application is present and 
>>>>>> available in their Microsoft account when the device is turned over 
>>>>>> for their use.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Why would I want to install stock W11 just to remove
>>>>> it again?  Lenovo was support to send out the link.
>>>>> Maybe they did and the customer junk filed it.
>>>>>
>>>>> One installation of W11 is cheaper than two.  And
>>>>> Tiny-11 does not come with all the preinstalled
>>>>> vendor junkware.  Yes, Malware Byte does remove
>>>>> the stuff, but not one drive, edge, etc..
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Not following along?
>>>>   You initially stated/claimed it was a new device from Lenovo(Win11) 
>>>> and an invoice showing stand-alone Office 2024 Home.  Stock Win11 and 
>>>> O2K24 bits were already on the device.
>>>>   That new device already had O2K24-HS installed and hardware tied to 
>>>> the device. Activation by opening any Office program with an MSA was 
>>>> all that was needed.
>>>>   - No cab file needed, no need to waste time asking Lenovo for 
>>>> help(you wiped the device and bypassed activation of an included 
>>>> purchased product for the sole reason of installing Win11 or 
>>>> Tiny11(probably worthy but by doing so created extra work.)
>>>>
>>>> Once Office was activated the MSA account includes the two installers
>>>>   - stub installer
>>>>   - full offline download
>>>>   Both when run performing the same Click-to-Run Install, tne only 
>>>> difference(the latter has all the bits but not necessarily active 
>>>> (use enables for all future use); the former streams the additional 
>>>> bits down automatically when features not previously needed are used, 
>>>> again enabling for use. The program main components and normal 
>>>> features in either are identical.
>>>> - i.e. you had to ask for something that would have been easily 
>>>> available post Lenovo'w activation instructions in the customer's MSA 
>>>> online account/Subscriptions/'Products you've purchased'. 
>>>> Additionally by using the cab file(same as the full installer) 
>>>> installed additional bits on the hard drive/ssd as opposed to CTR- 
>>>> stream down when needed for current and future use...in almost all 
>>>> cases, no one(and likely your customer) needed.
>>>>
>>>> By wiping the device, and installing Tiny11(or any same purchased 
>>>> edition of Win11) before activating Office you created more work(chat 
>>>> line for over an hour, and who knows how much other looking/surfing 
>>>> was done, including asking here).
>>>>
>>>> As noted, the process before wiping to activate Office 2024 Home was 
>>>> easily achievable with less work.
>>>>   - Office 2024 Home and Business(more programs than Home) takes less 
>>>> than 20 min for the full installer before use; about 10-12 min with 
>>>> the stub which allows use during other base bits download/install
>>>>   - M365 Family takes about 26 min. for the full installer(longer as 
>>>> it should) since the same as Office 2024 Home base programs but also 
>>>> includes other apps, Outlook, and Access + Publisher(these two are PC 
>>>> only use),i.e. no mobile use for only these two.
>>>>
>>>> All the above activate almost immediately, thus the time expended for 
>>>> activation of all editions/versions has no significantly difference.
>>>>
>>>> Office 2024(and it's not a new Lenovo licensing scheme - activation 
>>>> of the product purchased and present on the machine has been the norm 
>>>> for earlier Office stand-alone and M365 versions)
>>>>   - OEM ties purchase to hardware, MSA activates installed bits for use
>>>>
>>>> One could have activated Office 2024 on the as-shipped device, 
>>>> obtained the Office 2024 bits in the MSA(before or after wiping the 
>>>> device and reinstalling Win11(or Tiny11)..the time required for 
>>>> Office(activate on as-shipped, install on post wipe) will always be 
>>>> less than the time and effort in your explained scenario with Lenovo 
>>>> support(phone, here, etc.)
>>>>
>>>> The installation of Tiny11 has no bearing on the process, time, 
>>>> effort to activate, download, install Office(OEM or retail purchase).
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Winston,
>>>
>>> You put a lot of work into that.  It is much appreciated.
>>>
>>> I can understand your frustration.  The above was
>>> the old method Lenovo used.  Amazon too.  I must have
>>> done 40 of these installations now and was expecting
>>> the same thing.
>>>
>>> If you look at
>>>
>>> https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/solutions/ht505479-windows-support- 
>>> center-office
>>>
>>> it states:
>>>      You will *not* receive a physical product key to activate your
>>>      software. For security reasons, Lenovo does not have access
>>>      to your key. The license is assigned to the serial number
>>>      associated with the hardware Office or Microsoft 365 was
>>>      purchased with.
>>>
>>>      The Microsoft Office is assigned to the computer and needs
>>>      to be associated with a Microsoft Office Account before it
>>>      can be redeemed. This means that in order to activate the
>>>      software, a Microsoft account will need to be used. If you
>>>      do not have a Microsoft account, you can create one at the
>>>      sign in page (Sign in).
>>>
>>>      The following procedure applies to:
>>>
>>>          Microsoft Office 2021
>>>          Microsoft 365
>>>          Microsoft Office 2024
>>>
>>>      Do not click on "My Office" or "Get office" applications to
>>>      activate your software, as shown in the following image.
>>>      Doing this may prevent you from activating the Office
>>>      that was purchased.
>>>
>>> If you scroll down the link about 1/3 the way to step 2:
>>>
>>>       If activating Microsoft Office before activating
>>>       Microsoft Windows, and you see a "Try/Buy and Activate"
>>>       Message, click here to download, and run the Microsoft
>>>       Office Activation file: cssemerg97275.
>>>
>>> This is the "cab" file to activate you license.  It
>>> shows a picture of it too.
>>>
>>> Lenovo is "suppose" to eMail the link to this cab file
>>> for to download.  It is specific to you and your purchase.
>>> My customer did not get this link or she deleted it.
>>> It is hard to tell which.  But Lenovo's tech support
>>> can easily resend it.
>>>
>>> But the cab file can not activate what does not exist.
>>>
>>> Here is where you download (an unactivated) version of
>>> Office:
>>>
>>>      32Bit
>>>
>>> <https://c2rsetup.officeapps.live.com/c2r/download.aspx? 
>>> ProductreleaseID=Home2024Retail&platform=x86&language=en- 
>>> us&version=O16GA>
>>>
>>>      64Bit
>>>
>>> <https://c2rsetup.officeapps.live.com/c2r/download.aspx? 
>>> ProductreleaseID=Home2024Retail&platform=x64&language=en- 
>>> us&version=O16GA>
>>>
>>>      Full Retail:
>>>
>>> <https://officecdn.microsoft.com/db/492350f6-3a01-4f97-b9c0- 
>>> c7c6ddf67d60/media/en-us/Home2024Retail.img>
>>>
>>> Then you run the of customized "cab" to activate Office.
>>>
>>> Again, thank you for all the work you put into your letter.
>>> It is much appreciated.
>>>
>>>
>>> Many thanks,
>>> -T (T/Mr.T/Todd/Dude/His Resplendence)
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Re-read the Lenovo instructions.
>>
>> You did not need to download the cab file.
>>   - the only reason necessary to do so, is not having activated Office 
>> with a MSFT account before wiping the device.
>>   - i.e. you created more work by wiping it, removing the pre-installed 
>> Office tied to the device hardware and, thus, needed the cab file
>>
>> => Again, if you did not wipe the device, all that was necessary was to 
>> open any Office program and assign and activate the installed software 
>> with the customer's MSA. The Microsoft server will identify the device 
>> as associated with the purchased Office product then digitally and 
>> additionally link the MSA(two digital links - the associated hardware 
>> and the MSA). Thereafter, the MSA will have both stub and full 
>> installers, if needed in the future(after wiping or any clean install 
>> on the same device)
>>
>>   i.e. you did not need the cab file, or spend all that time with Lenovo.
>>   - your entire effort could have been shortened to less than one half 
>> hour, if done properly per Lenovo's instructions.
>>
>>
> 
> 
> No I read it.
> 
> I wiped before doing the initial install of M11.
> And will do so again on Wednesday too.
> 
> Doing two installs is a waste of my time
> and my customer's money.
> 
> 1. Wipe
> 
> 2. install Tiny 11
> 
> 3. install the 64 bit unlicensed version
> 
> 4. license the turkey with the cab file from Lenovo
> 
> 
You missed my point.
How ever you wish to do it is your perogative.

...but you spent over an hour with Lenova figuring out how to do 
it(download, install and activate) after wiping, when doing it 
before(activate what was already installed - less time and less 
work...and even after wiping used the cab installer which takes longer 
than the pre-packaged stub file or the full version mounted img in the 
MSA acount).

I submitted your route to admins who deploy Lenovo devices in an 
Enterprise environment with Office and two who personally purchased 
Lenovo devices with O2K24 pre-installed(4 responded, those four manage 
over 6000 devices)...
  Responses:
   "Wow"
   "Someone paid for that?"
   "Ouch, pulling a good tooth'
   "Oh my, activate first, wipe, then use the CTR Stub'

As noted, your effort worked...could have been done following the 
instructions and less effort.

-- 
...w¡ñ§±¤ñ

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#16541

On 1/26/25 12:32 AM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
> ..but you spent over an hour with Lenova figuring out how to do 
> it(download, install and activate) after wiping, when doing it 
> before(activate what was already installed -

If was a learning process.  Lenovo had changed their method
and Support did not know what they were doing.   The Lenovo
support guy here did though, thank goodness.

And I always comp a customer when things run long
because I have to troubleshoot this kind of silliness.
She won't be billed for this.

Ethics is if you would change places with your customer.

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#16547

On 1/26/25 12:32 AM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
> You missed my point.
> How ever you wish to do it is your perogative.
> 
> ...but you spent over an hour with Lenova figuring out how to do 
> it(download, install and activate) after wiping, when doing it 
> before(activate what was already installed - less time and less 
> work...and even after wiping used the cab installer which takes longer 
> than the pre-packaged stub file or the full version mounted img in the 
> MSA acount).


I finally figure out what you were getting at.  If I
had done the full install before wiping and installing
Tiny 11, the M$O license would probably have migrated
into the customer's M$ account.  In hind sight, it
would have taken less time.  I also had no warning
from Lenovo that they had done such.   It would
have worked with their old method without problem

I would not have learned Lenovo's new method,
which takes less time.  And the customer is gracious
about me learning Lenovo's new method.  Plus she is
not being billed for that part.

I probably put in between three and four hours of
unbilled research for every hour I charge.  It
is a living and I do enjoy it most of the time.

The learning never stops.

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#16564

T wrote on 1/26/25 6:05 AM:
> On 1/26/25 12:32 AM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>> You missed my point.
>> How ever you wish to do it is your perogative.
>>
>> ...but you spent over an hour with Lenova figuring out how to do 
>> it(download, install and activate) after wiping, when doing it 
>> before(activate what was already installed - less time and less 
>> work...and even after wiping used the cab installer which takes longer 
>> than the pre-packaged stub file or the full version mounted img in the 
>> MSA acount).
> 
> 
> I finally figure out what you were getting at.  If I
> had done the full install before wiping and installing
> Tiny 11, the M$O license would probably have migrated
> into the customer's M$ account.  In hind sight, it
> would have taken less time.  I also had no warning
> from Lenovo that they had done such.   It would
> have worked with their old method without problem
> 
> I would not have learned Lenovo's new method,
> which takes less time.  And the customer is gracious
> about me learning Lenovo's new method.  Plus she is
> not being billed for that part.
> 
> I probably put in between three and four hours of
> unbilled research for every hour I charge.  It
> is a living and I do enjoy it most of the time.
> 
> The learning never stops.
> 
> 
Finally..after 8 days, an understanding of the process(preferred, MSFT 
supported, and Lenovo's instructions)

By following Lenovo's instructions,
  - As noted earlier, those Lenovo instructions for the cab file are clear.
   => they only apply(as indicated in the Lenovo instructions) if trying 
to activate Office prior to activating Windows(yes, one can install 
Windows without activation, install and activate Office, then activate 
Windows).
  As you know understand, by wiping the device, your customer's device 
was in 'almost' the same condition - the only difference was Windows(or 
Tiny11) was or was not activated without Office present(the Office 
preinstall was wiped with Windows) - the Lenovo instructions for 
obtaining and using the cab file...which is obtained by downloading the 
stub zip file that includes cssemerg97275.diagcab to initiate the 
activation process(which is even more steps, since it has to figure out 
how to activate something that is not present, find the product that 
Lenovo linked to the device(or require the correct offline installer if 
the cab file route can't obtain the CTR bits to download).

This isn't a Lenovo new method. It's consistent with past OEM 
pre-installed Office(Lenovo and others - Office preinstalled, tied to the 
device, but not activated)
  If you look closely, at all the steps(1-7 really didn't apply[Windows 
and Office were wiped)....Step 8 linked to a MSFT article on how to 
activate a preinstalled version of Office on the device
  - Step 8's linked instructions reiterated the need to activate Office 
with the OEM preinstalled software using an MSA
  "Activate an Microsoft 365 purchase or offer that's included on a new 
Windows device"
  - which is exactly why I explained how it should have been done :)
    and a whole lot less effort.

-- 
...w¡ñ§±¤ñ

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#16568

On 1/27/25 1:21 AM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
> T wrote on 1/26/25 6:05 AM:
>> On 1/26/25 12:32 AM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>>> You missed my point.
>>> How ever you wish to do it is your perogative.
>>>
>>> ...but you spent over an hour with Lenova figuring out how to do 
>>> it(download, install and activate) after wiping, when doing it 
>>> before(activate what was already installed - less time and less 
>>> work...and even after wiping used the cab installer which takes 
>>> longer than the pre-packaged stub file or the full version mounted 
>>> img in the MSA acount).
>>
>>
>> I finally figure out what you were getting at.  If I
>> had done the full install before wiping and installing
>> Tiny 11, the M$O license would probably have migrated
>> into the customer's M$ account.  In hind sight, it
>> would have taken less time.  I also had no warning
>> from Lenovo that they had done such.   It would
>> have worked with their old method without problem
>>
>> I would not have learned Lenovo's new method,
>> which takes less time.  And the customer is gracious
>> about me learning Lenovo's new method.  Plus she is
>> not being billed for that part.
>>
>> I probably put in between three and four hours of
>> unbilled research for every hour I charge.  It
>> is a living and I do enjoy it most of the time.
>>
>> The learning never stops.
>>
>>
> Finally..after 8 days, an understanding of the process(preferred, MSFT 
> supported, and Lenovo's instructions)
> 
> By following Lenovo's instructions,
>   - As noted earlier, those Lenovo instructions for the cab file are clear.
>    => they only apply(as indicated in the Lenovo instructions) if trying 
> to activate Office prior to activating Windows(yes, one can install 
> Windows without activation, install and activate Office, then activate 
> Windows).

I only came in possession of those instructions AFTER I called tech 
support.  The cab file too that was noted in those instructions.
Tech had to send me that link too.

Under the old method, which I was under the impression I was
under, ALL I needed was access to the customer's M$ account.

Is my technical writing so bad that you thought I was in possession
of these instructions before I started the project?

>   As you know understand, by wiping the device, your customer's device 
> was in 'almost' the same condition - the only difference was Windows(or 
> Tiny11) was or was not activated without Office present(the Office 
> preinstall was wiped with Windows) - the Lenovo instructions for 
> obtaining and using the cab file...which is obtained by downloading the 
> stub zip file that includes cssemerg97275.diagcab to initiate the 
> activation process(which is even more steps, since it has to figure out 
> how to activate something that is not present, find the product that 
> Lenovo linked to the device(or require the correct offline installer if 
> the cab file route can't obtain the CTR bits to download).

Again, these instructions were not eMailed to the customer.  I only
came in possession of them after calling tech support and they
sent them to me.

> This isn't a Lenovo new method. 

Lenovo certainly stated that it was.

> It's consistent with past OEM pre- 
> installed Office(Lenovo and others - Office preinstalled, tied to the 
> device, but not activated)
>   If you look closely, at all the steps(1-7 really didn't apply[Windows 
> and Office were wiped)....Step 8 linked to a MSFT article on how to 
> activate a preinstalled version of Office on the device
>   - Step 8's linked instructions reiterated the need to activate Office 
> with the OEM preinstalled software using an MSA
>   "Activate an Microsoft 365 purchase or offer that's included on a new 
> Windows device"
>   - which is exactly why I explained how it should have been done :)
>     and a whole lot less effort.


Not so.  Actually more effort if I had been in possession of
the right information.  And had Lenovo actually eMailed it to
my customer.  The customer forwarded me EVERYTHING Lenovo sent
her and I read over all of them before arriving at the site.

Hind sight is a wonderful thing.  I always find it amazing when
I have to research my ass off to solve a customer's problem, then
next five of six times I get called on the problem, it only
takes me 10 minutes to fix.  Hind sight.

I now carry with me the installation document, the links, and
my installation notes on Lenovo's new method with me on flash
drive.  I still may had to have Lenovo's tech support eMail
me the cab file.  But now I am forewarned.

The next time a customer wants the full crap installation
of Windows 11 from Lenovo (including Lenovo own junkware)
and ordered a copy of M$O OEM, I will follow what you stated
as easier.

When I explain the difference the stock Window 11
and Tiny-1, not a single customer yet wants the unstable,
garbage version of Windows 11.

Disregarding hind sight, with your experience, can you think
of a reason why I would want to know how to install Lenovo's
M$O OEM from scratch on a fresh, untainted install of Windows?

You never come across a machine so corrupted with viruses and
junkware and crashed updates that it was useless to try
and fix it without wiping and reinstalling?  Never?

Never had to boot into a Linux live USB, copy off
documents and profiles to a flash drive, then wipe,
reinstall Windows, and restore things?

Do you carry various versions of Windows for such
purposes and other purposes on USB?  I have a ton
of them back to DOS 6.22.

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#16586

T wrote on 1/27/25 7:58 AM:

> Disregarding hind sight, with your experience, can you think
> of a reason why I would want to know how to install Lenovo's
> M$O OEM from scratch on a fresh, untainted install of Windows?

Few consumers do so, Enterprise and some SMB after purchasing OEM 
hardware wipe devices, installing their current deployment image to 
ensure all devices on the domain or off domain have the exact same admin 
controllable features and options.
Too many consumers find that wiping the device and encountering later 
problems requiring OEM support only leads to during or after warranty to 
resetting the device to as-shipped condition.
   -
> 
> You never come across a machine so corrupted with viruses and
> junkware and crashed updates that it was useless to try
> and fix it without wiping and reinstalling?  Never?
In this case, you said it was new device, doubtful it was corrupted with 
virus and crashed updates. i.e. your point is not relevant to the subject 
you started
> 
> Never had to boot into a Linux live USB, copy off
> documents and profiles to a flash drive, then wipe,
> reinstall Windows, and restore things?
  In the consumer environment(my own) just once and that was with a 
failed Seagate Connor 350 MB drive on my second Windows computer(iirc HP 
920 model).  The only other Linux based bootable media used since has 
been Acronis products(since 2003) and as an alternative Macrium(bootable 
media Linux, BartPE or WinPE)
  In the Enterprise side, the data files are typically not stored on the 
device but the enterprise's network...thus little data is lost, and 
redeploying the current admin managed image is the usual corrective action.
> 
> Do you carry various versions of Windows for such
> purposes and other purposes on USB?  I have a ton
> of them back to DOS 6.22.
Certainly, I recently replied to a post that provided that information.
  - ATM, a 32 GB USB stick with Win10(21H2, 22H2) and Win11(23H2, 
24H2)ISO's, Office(M365 Family and 2019) img files, and application 
programs(browsers, iTunes, and variety of utilities) - total used space 
on the stick is about 26GB(and everything on that stick is backed up to 
an external driveIWD 4TB Passport) and redundantly to an SSD that can be 
inserted into a disk caddy.

Do recognize, that my input is rarely solely my own...I've enough trusted 
and skilled contacts in the Enterprise community who manage 100,000's of 
devices(domain, non domain, their own personal).
  - if not personally aware of a solution, it's only a matter or minutes 
by reaching out(private mailing list) that multiple responses and 
suggestions, questions can be provided.
  i.e. my input is almost always a snapshot of my acquired knowledge but 
also when necessary multiple other persons' 
suggestions/feedback....troubleshooting issues is best handled with 
'village' support(including a few knowledgeable in these nntp forums).


-- 
...w¡ñ§±¤ñ

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#16588

On 1/27/25 9:36 PM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>   i.e. my input is almost always a snapshot of my acquired knowledge but 
> also when necessary multiple other persons' suggestions/ 
> feedback....troubleshooting issues is best handled with 'village' 
> support(including a few knowledgeable in these nntp forums).

To quote Issac Newton, We "stand on the shoulders of giants".

:-)

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