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Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O

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..w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
> T wrote on 1/22/25 3:47 PM:
>> On 1/21/25 9:05 PM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>>> T wrote on 1/21/25 11:52 AM:
>>>> On 1/21/25 2:32 AM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>>>>> T wrote on 1/19/25 5:27 PM:
>>>>>> On 1/19/25 11:40 AM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>>>>>>> Did you wipe the device and reinstall the Lenovo as shipped image, 
>>>>>>> or did you wipe, the device and clean install Windows using Win11 
>>>>>>> media?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Complete wipe and reinstall with Windows 11 (Tiny -11)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Next time, set up M365 purcahased/included on an OEM device by 
>>>>> installing/activating with an MSA before wiping the device and 
>>>>> installing a single-developer student(in Bucharist) stripped build.
>>>>>   - M365 download and subscription will be in the online MSA 
>>>>> subscription sections with options to install and also download 
>>>>> offline installer.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> That runs up the customer bill.  I will just get the link from
>>>> Lenovo.   The customer may have gotten it and erased
>>>> it thinking it was spam.  But now I know what to ask support
>>>> for in the future.
>>> 
>>> At your benefit?
>>>   Does that mean if you deployed an OEM device with pre-installed 
>>> Office you'd charge them more?
>>>   - i.e. to fully setup M365(or Office stand-alone) on the device(which 
>>> is where the licensing for pre-installed Office lies) to ensure that 
>>> the pre-purcahsed application is present and available in their 
>>> Microsoft account when the device is turned over for their use.
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Why would I want to install stock W11 just to remove
>> it again?  Lenovo was support to send out the link.
>> Maybe they did and the customer junk filed it.
>> 
>> One installation of W11 is cheaper than two.  And
>> Tiny-11 does not come with all the preinstalled
>> vendor junkware.  Yes, Malware Byte does remove
>> the stuff, but not one drive, edge, etc..
>> 
> 
> Not following along?
>  You initially stated/claimed it was a new device from Lenovo(Win11) and 
> an invoice showing stand-alone Office 2024 Home.  Stock Win11 and O2K24 
> bits were already on the device.
>  That new device already had O2K24-HS installed and hardware tied to the 
> device. Activation by opening any Office program with an MSA was all that 
> was needed.
>  - No cab file needed, no need to waste time asking Lenovo for help(you 
> wiped the device and bypassed activation of an included purchased product 
> for the sole reason of installing Win11 or Tiny11(probably worthy but by 
> doing so created extra work.)
> 
> Once Office was activated the MSA account includes the two installers
>  - stub installer
>  - full offline download
>  Both when run performing the same Click-to-Run Install, tne only 
> difference(the latter has all the bits but not necessarily active (use 
> enables for all future use); the former streams the additional bits down 
> automatically when features not previously needed are used, again 
> enabling for use. The program main components and normal features in 
> either are identical.
> - i.e. you had to ask for something that would have been easily available 
> post Lenovo'w activation instructions in the customer's MSA online 
> account/Subscriptions/'Products you've purchased'. Additionally by using 
> the cab file(same as the full installer) installed additional bits on the 
> hard drive/ssd as opposed to CTR-stream down when needed for current and 
> future use...in almost all cases, no one(and likely your customer) needed.
> 
> By wiping the device, and installing Tiny11(or any same purchased edition 
> of Win11) before activating Office you created more work(chat line for 
> over an hour, and who knows how much other looking/surfing was done, 
> including asking here).
> 
> As noted, the process before wiping to activate Office 2024 Home was 
> easily achievable with less work.
>  - Office 2024 Home and Business(more programs than Home) takes less 
> than 20 min for the full installer before use; about 10-12 min with the 
> stub which allows use during other base bits download/install
>  - M365 Family takes about 26 min. for the full installer(longer as it 
> should) since the same as Office 2024 Home base programs but also 
> includes other apps, Outlook, and Access + Publisher(these two are PC 
> only use),i.e. no mobile use for only these two.
> 
> All the above activate almost immediately, thus the time expended for 
> activation of all editions/versions has no significantly difference.
> 
> Office 2024(and it's not a new Lenovo licensing scheme - activation of 
> the product purchased and present on the machine has been the norm for 
> earlier Office stand-alone and M365 versions)
>  - OEM ties purchase to hardware, MSA activates installed bits for use
> 
> One could have activated Office 2024 on the as-shipped device, obtained 
> the Office 2024 bits in the MSA(before or after wiping the device and 
> reinstalling Win11(or Tiny11)..the time required for Office(activate on 
> as-shipped, install on post wipe) will always be less than the time and 
> effort in your explained scenario with Lenovo support(phone, here, etc.)
> 
> The installation of Tiny11 has no bearing on the process, time, effort to 
> activate, download, install Office(OEM or retail purchase).

I hope you're billing T for your time spent helping his business. He can
charge it against his "training" budget. 

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New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-18 19:47 -0800
  Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O Lenovo Support <noreply@lenovo.com> - 2025-01-19 05:54 +0000
    Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-18 22:30 -0800
      Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O Lenovo Support <noreply@lenovo.com> - 2025-01-19 19:44 +0000
        Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-19 16:48 -0800
          Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O Lenovo Support <noreply@lenovo.com> - 2025-01-20 06:24 +0000
            Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-19 22:58 -0800
            Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-21 13:43 +0100
              Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O Herzi Halevi <Herzi.Halevi@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-21 15:23 +0000
              Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-01-21 10:00 -0700
                Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-21 20:12 +0100
          Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O Lenovo Support <noreply@lenovo.com> - 2025-01-21 01:39 +0000
            Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-20 20:11 -0800
            Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-01-21 11:47 +0000
            Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-22 15:11 -0800
            Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-02-01 20:59 +1100
              Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-01 10:29 -0800
    Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> - 2025-01-20 09:05 +1100
  Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-01-19 12:40 -0700
    Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-19 16:27 -0800
      Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-01-21 03:32 -0700
        Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-21 10:52 -0800
          Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-01-21 22:05 -0700
            Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-22 14:47 -0800
              Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-01-23 01:20 -0700
                Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-23 12:36 +0000
                Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-23 22:03 -0800
                Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-23 22:01 -0800
                Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-01-25 03:36 -0700
                Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-25 22:03 -0800
                Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-01-26 01:32 -0700
                Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-26 03:40 -0800
                Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-26 05:05 -0800
                Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-01-27 02:21 -0700
                Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-27 06:58 -0800
                Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-01-27 22:36 -0700
                Re: New purchase of Microsoft office, no key, cab file, no M$O T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-27 23:17 -0800

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