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Re: Differences between versions

From	Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam>
Newsgroups	alt.comp.os.windows-10
Subject	Re: Differences between versions
Date	2025-02-10 08:08 -0500
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On 2/10/2025 2:30 AM, Paul wrote:
> On Mon, 2/10/2025 12:45 AM, Paul wrote:
>> On Sun, 2/9/2025 7:43 PM, Newyana2 wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>      Thanks, but that's way more trouble than this is worth.
>>>
> 
> https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/deployment/upgrade/log-files
> 
> setupact.log 	Down-Level [your current OS]  C:\$Windows.~BT\Sources\Panther\setupact.log
> 
> Maybe your WindowsUpdate is jammed or a key service
> required for WindowUpdate is removed. The OS can't function
> without the supports for Windows Side By Side to handle
> packages. Since your attempt failed so quickly, that's my guess
> at a root cause. A services malady.
> 

   Maybe. This all started with curiosity about what the actual
notable differences were between versions. As usual, I'm curious
to sort out the garbage heap of complications, but I'm not really
THAT curious. I don't want to waste 2 days fiddling with it to get
something I don't actually need. And if I let it clean install then I
likely won't have a license, because the update from Win7 is no
longer free.

   Why I should need WU enabled for an offline update is a mystery
to me. But I have noticed that things seem to go south with any
sort of tweaking. I have a firewall blocking MS surveillance. I have
WU blocked. I have Classic Shell installed... Those are just the basic
things I do to clean up Win10 when setting it up. And I only
run these things after unplugging the ethernet. Naturally I don't
expect an update patch to work with WU disabled. But a total
system update? It worked fine going from a tweaked and locked
down Win7 to 20H2.

   Anyway, thanks for the help. And thanks to Winston, but this
box is mostly only for streaming Netflix. It's 15 years old. It's
not worth sleuthing all the variables in terms of why Windows
updates have become so undependable.

   Given all the problems that I've had, and that I've seen reported
by others (even people on Win10/11 whose activation suddenly
goes missing with no hardware changes), I've adopted a specific
protocol: Install new. Allow MS to have their way with the system,
putting in the latest updates. If it still works then buy a license.
If that goes OK then lock it down, shut out MS, install Simplewall,
and start tweaking. From there I no longer consider installing
patches. It's all just too brittle for that. The old method of simply
running critical updates on XP and 7 is no longer applicable. My guess
is that that's because MS now expects control. They're not content
to just swap out a vulnerable system file anymore. They're treating
it as their service kiosk which needs to be operating per their specs.

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Differences between versions Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-02-08 19:26 -0500
  Re: Differences between versions Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-08 23:28 -0500
    Re: Differences between versions Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-02-09 08:25 -0500
      Re: Differences between versions MR <MR@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-09 16:51 +0000
        Re: Differences between versions Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-02-09 13:36 -0500
          Re: Differences between versions Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-09 15:23 -0500
            Re: Differences between versions Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-02-09 16:18 -0500
      Re: Differences between versions ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-02-09 14:35 -0700
        Re: Differences between versions Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-02-09 17:39 -0500
          Re: Differences between versions ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-02-09 16:25 -0700
            Re: Differences between versions Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-02-09 19:43 -0500
              Re: Differences between versions Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-10 00:45 -0500
                Re: Differences between versions Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-10 02:30 -0500
                Re: Differences between versions Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-02-10 08:08 -0500

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