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Re: Differences between versions

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On 2/9/2025 6:25 PM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
> Newyana2 wrote on 2/9/25 3:39 PM:
>> On 2/9/2025 4:35 PM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>>> Newyana2 wrote on 2/9/25 6:25 AM:
>>>>
>>>>   21H2 might work. I haven't tried it. When 22H2 wouldn't do an
>>>> update I just tried 20H2. I've tried 22H2 mounting the ISO and
>>>> booting from a rufused stick. The hardware doesn't seem to
>>>> be an issue. It just says it will only do a fresh install because
>>>> "Windows might be installed to the wrong location or I might
>>>> be trying to install an older OS."
>>>
>>>>
>>> Normally 20H2 to 22H2 does not require a clean install.
>>>   - no significant hardware system requirements between the versions
>>> Conditions that might cause it:
>>> - Windows system image needs repair (DISM command line option)
>>> - Windows component store needs cleanup (DISM command line option)
>>> - Windows Update broken/corrupt
>>> - Windows Update engine out-of-date
>>>    => May 2023 KB5026361 last release 20H2 update is required(LCU and 
>>> SSU)to update to 21H2/22H2
>>> - Windows 20H2 does not have June 2023 KB5027389 stand-alone(not 
>>> included with monthly LCU/SSU update) Windows 10 Compatibility 
>>> Update(includes the Windows Recovery Update)and is deployed/installed 
>>> separate update via Windows Update or the MSFT Catalog. Note June 
>>> 2023 was also the first monthly update(LCU, SSU, SafeOS) that 
>>> included the WinRE update for Win10 21H2 and 22H2
>>> - Device using Legacy MBR and not GPT(more common on older devices) 
>>> where System partition is on the o/s partition
>>> - Device using GPT with no Recovery partition, or deleted Recovery 
>>> partition, Windows partition not resizeable/shrink to free space to 
>>> create WinRe partition, WinRE partition, if present, insufficient 
>>> free space.
>>> - lesser issues(Graphics driver, Network driver outdated, stand-alone 
>>> graphic card no longer supported or outdated driver); device has both 
>>> onboard graphics and add-on graphics card with add-on enabled/onboard 
>>> disabled[in some cases, BIOS/UEFI disabling the add-on and enabling 
>>> the onboard will allow the 22H2 to be successfully installed]; 3rd 
>>> party utilities that modify Windows; 3rd party AV/AM; end-user 
>>> tweaking/removing main Windows integrated programs(Edge, Defender)
>>> - Windows Photos(rare case but a known issue) app package removed or 
>>> uninstalled.
>>>
>>> Other routes to update
>>>   - instead of using Windows Update or UBS media or ISO to update, 
>>> use the  the Win10 22H2 Update Assistant(download the exe from the 
>>> Windows 10 Software Download site - 'Update Now' option.'
>>>   - download exe file is 'Windows10Upgrade9252.exe
>>>   => may be necessary to check the exe file's properties and unblock 
>>> the exe and/or run the exe as admin
>>>
>>
>>     Complicated. I tried the 20H2 ISO out of curiosity (what's already
>> on there) and that also refused to do an update. The update from
>> 7 to 20H2 was smooth, though at the time, 22H2 refused to do
>> anything but a clean install.
>>
>>     I noticed that the system window pops up and then closes. So
>> something is not right. I ran SFC and DISM repairs. Still no luck
>> with the system window. It is using MBR. Though 22H2 doesn't seem
>> to be complaining about installing -- only refusing to update
>> rather than clean install.
>>
>>     This computer also does have a graphics card added to
>> the onboard because the original predates HDMI and I needed
>> to be able to display on the monitor as well as running HDMI
>> to a TV. That graphics card is barebones. Something like a $35
>> NVidia, I think. (I don't play video games. Only pipe movies.)
>>
>>     The complication here is that I don't have a problem with a clean
>> install but I expect it would lose the license, since Win7 -> 10 is no
>> longer a free update.
>>
>>    It sounds like it's probably not worth trying to do much more.
>> Setup is not telling me what the issue is. And all the hardware issues
>> don't explain why even 20H2 refuses to install on top of itself. But
>> if I get bored I might re-run a Win7-> 20H2 update, then try 22H2
>> immediately, before tweaking 20H2.
>>
>>
>>
> Your symptom/issue is obviously not the first failure of 20H2 to 22H2 on 
> a device(including those originally with Win7).
>   - Those 'knowns' that I provided are almost everything I recall or 
> have seen in my earlier 13 yrs in the MVP program, current MSFT 
> listservers, AskWoody owner/admin/moderator patch lady(Susan B. - if she 
> doesn't know about it, it didn't happen), and other sources.
> 
> If you have verified:
> 1. the DISM Image and Component store routes show no corruption, no 
> repair need, no component store cleanup
> 2. your 20H2 version is later than May 2023(the last released 20H2 
> update was 19042.2965)Update Assistant route
> 3. your device has the June 2023 KB5027389 stand-alone(Compatibility 
> update installed. (Fyi..the KB can be downloaded from the Catalog, if 
> installed and already present, it will tell you not applicable or 
> already installed)
> 
> If the above are all ok, then try using the available online Update Now 
> option to download and run the Upgrade Assistant - Windows10Upgrade9252.exe
> 
     Thanks, but that's way more trouble than this is worth.

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