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  Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot YK <youkidding@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-29 11:13 -0400
    Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot Bill <nonegiven@att.net> - 2022-07-29 11:39 -0400
      Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot YK <youkidding@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-29 12:07 -0400
        Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> - 2022-07-29 19:02 +0200
        Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2022-07-29 20:01 +0200
        Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot Bill <nonegiven@att.net> - 2022-07-29 23:02 -0400
    Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2022-07-29 13:49 -0400
      Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot YK <youkidding@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-30 01:49 -0400
        Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2022-07-30 14:54 -0400
          Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot YK <youkidding@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-30 19:22 -0400
    Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2022-07-29 19:59 +0200
      Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot YK <youkidding@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-30 02:05 -0400
        Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot Bill <nonegiven@att.net> - 2022-07-30 03:00 -0400
          Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot YK <youkidding@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-30 04:59 -0400
            Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot Bill <nonegiven@att.net> - 2022-07-30 05:06 -0400
              Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot FromTheRafters <erratic@nomail.afraid.org> - 2022-07-30 10:59 -0500
                Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot Bill <nonegiven@att.net> - 2022-07-31 03:39 -0400
                  Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2022-07-31 05:15 -0400
        Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2022-07-31 11:52 +0200
          Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot YK <youkidding@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-31 10:30 -0400
            Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2022-07-31 17:22 +0200
              Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot YK <youkidding@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-31 20:14 -0400
                Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2022-07-31 22:30 -0400
                  Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2022-07-31 23:20 -0400
                    Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2022-08-01 10:07 +0200
                      Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot YK <youkidding@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-02 02:30 -0400
                        Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2022-08-04 09:04 +0200
                          Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot YK <youkidding@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-09 00:53 -0400
                            Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2022-08-09 09:21 +0200
                              Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot YK <youkidding@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-11 16:22 -0400
                                Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot Bill <nonegiven@att.net> - 2022-08-11 18:45 -0400
                                  Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot Bill <nonegiven@att.net> - 2022-08-11 22:36 -0400
                                Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2022-08-12 10:08 +0200
                            Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2022-08-09 05:32 -0400
                    Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot YK <youkidding@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-01 13:44 -0400
                      Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2022-08-01 20:06 -0500
                Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> - 2022-08-02 06:26 +0200
                  Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot YK <youkidding@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-02 02:25 -0400
                    Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> - 2022-08-03 06:41 +0200
                    Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2022-08-03 01:28 -0400
            Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot shemp13@outlook.com - 2022-07-31 15:22 +0000
              Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot YK <youkidding@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-31 20:14 -0400
                Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2022-08-01 06:33 -0700
            Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2022-07-31 15:02 -0400
              Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot YK <youkidding@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-31 19:53 -0400
                Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2022-07-31 22:28 -0400
                  Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot YK <youkidding@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-01 14:22 -0400
                    Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot YK <youkidding@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-01 14:34 -0400
                      Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2022-08-01 16:03 -0400
                        Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot YK <youkidding@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-01 23:45 -0400
                Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2022-08-01 10:10 +0200
    Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-30 01:26 -0700
      Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot YK <youkidding@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-30 05:07 -0400
        Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot FromTheRafters <erratic@nomail.afraid.org> - 2022-07-30 10:57 -0500
          Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-30 16:52 -0700
        Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-30 16:59 -0700
    Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot Philip Herlihy <PhillipHerlihy@SlashDevNull.invalid> - 2022-07-30 13:13 +0100
      Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot YK <youkidding@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-30 12:19 -0400
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#1655 — Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot

Basic computer questions 
(1) Is there a "shutdown" or "reboot" keyboard sequence?
(2) How does Windows know which graphics output to use?
(3) How do you lubricate a sticking graphics card fan?

The situation is that the old desktop graphics card fan seems to get stuck
and the way I have been finding that out is the monitor blanks out.

I removed the case side and that's when I noticed the fan is getting stuck
but I can't reboot the computer without being able to see the monitor.

The graphics card bottom board underside of the fan is hot to the touch
and the fan isn't running (it seems to need lubrication as I already
cleaned out all the dust everywhere with those air spray cans).

It still happens.

The monitor stays shut down even after I give the graphics card fan a push
to make it spin again and after a while the graphics card board becomes
only slightly warm to the touch. But the monitor never comes back on
until the computer is rebooted. Then it acts like nothing happened.

I would like a keyboard reboot sequence because I can't see anything on the
monitor to click the mouse to reboot the computer so all I can do is not
very gracefully kill the power to the computer which I'd rather not do.

Turning the monitor on and off or wiggling cables and removing them and
attaching another monitor or even switching the cables from the graphics
card to the motherboard graphics output doesn't change that the graphics
card seems to have shut down all monitor output until the next reboot.

MSI Afterburner tells the graphics card is an NVidia 
"GeForce 210 on GT218 GPU"

Why doesn't switching the monitor cable from the graphics card output to
the motherboard output not work? How does the computer know which output to
use at any given time?

Should I put a few drops of sewing machine oil into the fan spindle?
(if I can get the fan housing off the graphics card that is)

Is there a magic keyboard sequence that will reboot a PC that is running
but whose display is blind?

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#1656

On 7/29/2022 11:13 AM, YK wrote:
> Basic computer questions (1) Is there a "shutdown" or "reboot" keyboard 
> sequence?
> (2) How does Windows know which graphics output to use?
> (3) How do you lubricate a sticking graphics card fan?
> 
> The situation is that the old desktop graphics card fan seems to get stuck
> and the way I have been finding that out is the monitor blanks out.
> 
> I removed the case side and that's when I noticed the fan is getting stuck
> but I can't reboot the computer without being able to see the monitor.
> 
> The graphics card bottom board underside of the fan is hot to the touch
> and the fan isn't running (it seems to need lubrication as I already
> cleaned out all the dust everywhere with those air spray cans).
> 
> It still happens.
> 
> The monitor stays shut down even after I give the graphics card fan a push
> to make it spin again and after a while the graphics card board becomes
> only slightly warm to the touch. But the monitor never comes back on
> until the computer is rebooted. Then it acts like nothing happened.
> 
> I would like a keyboard reboot sequence because I can't see anything on the
> monitor to click the mouse to reboot the computer so all I can do is not
> very gracefully kill the power to the computer which I'd rather not do.
> 
> Turning the monitor on and off or wiggling cables and removing them and
> attaching another monitor or even switching the cables from the graphics
> card to the motherboard graphics output doesn't change that the graphics
> card seems to have shut down all monitor output until the next reboot.
> 
> MSI Afterburner tells the graphics card is an NVidia "GeForce 210 on 
> GT218 GPU"
> 
> Why doesn't switching the monitor cable from the graphics card output to
> the motherboard output not work? How does the computer know which output to
> use at any given time?
> 
> Should I put a few drops of sewing machine oil into the fan spindle?
> (if I can get the fan housing off the graphics card that is)
> 
> Is there a magic keyboard sequence that will reboot a PC that is running
> but whose display is blind?
> 


If you get tired of messing around with it-- configure a case fan or two 
to cool is directly, and it will probably be cooled better than with the 
fans which came with the GPU.  I am no expert, but if it's really a 210,
then one case fan will probably suffice.  Probably best to consider the 
fans that were originally on it. Based on the limited experience that I 
do have, I would say that dust is the culprit. If you truly cleaned it 
all out, I'm surprised it didn't help.  I have had my own pwm fans get 
persnickety with age-and I ended up solving the problems I was having by 
having them run all the time.   Good luck!

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#1657

On 7/29/2022 11:39 AM, Bill wrote:
> configure a case fan or two

The many case fans aren't the problem. The graphics card fan is.

The questions are what keyboard sequence reboots the computer?

How does the computer know which graphics to output to?
And if you switch the cable from the graphics card output to the motherbord
output, why doesn't it switch over?

And how do you lubricate a fan spindle?

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#1658

On 7/29/22 18:07, YK wrote:

> The questions are what keyboard sequence reboots the computer?
> 

Try control-alt-delete while the monitor is still working, this will 
probably give you a popup menu where you can choose something with the 
arrows on your keyboard, just remember what you need to do to shut it 
down or reboot it.
Alternatively, you can configure the power button to shut it down 
gracefully, this is what I did on my headless server.

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#1661

Am Freitag, 29. Juli 2022, um 12:07:32 Uhr schrieb YK:

> And if you switch the cable from the graphics card output to the
> motherbord output, why doesn't it switch over?

Please check in the device manager if the GeForce and the IGP are
listed in the graphic cards section. Maybe you need to switch the IGP
on in the BIOS.
Also make sure the driver for the IGP is installed. Please provide the
model number of the motherboard and the CPU.

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#1662

On 7/29/2022 12:07 PM, YK wrote:
> On 7/29/2022 11:39 AM, Bill wrote:
>> configure a case fan or two
> 
> The many case fans aren't the problem. The graphics card fan is.

The idea was to replace the GPU cooling fan with Your Own fan.

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#1659

On 7/29/2022 11:13 AM, YK wrote:
> Basic computer questions (1) Is there a "shutdown" or "reboot" keyboard sequence?
> (2) How does Windows know which graphics output to use?
> (3) How do you lubricate a sticking graphics card fan?
> 
> The situation is that the old desktop graphics card fan seems to get stuck
> and the way I have been finding that out is the monitor blanks out.
> 
> I removed the case side and that's when I noticed the fan is getting stuck
> but I can't reboot the computer without being able to see the monitor.
> 
> The graphics card bottom board underside of the fan is hot to the touch
> and the fan isn't running (it seems to need lubrication as I already
> cleaned out all the dust everywhere with those air spray cans).
> 
> It still happens.
> 
> The monitor stays shut down even after I give the graphics card fan a push
> to make it spin again and after a while the graphics card board becomes
> only slightly warm to the touch. But the monitor never comes back on
> until the computer is rebooted. Then it acts like nothing happened.
> 
> I would like a keyboard reboot sequence because I can't see anything on the
> monitor to click the mouse to reboot the computer so all I can do is not
> very gracefully kill the power to the computer which I'd rather not do.
> 
> Turning the monitor on and off or wiggling cables and removing them and
> attaching another monitor or even switching the cables from the graphics
> card to the motherboard graphics output doesn't change that the graphics
> card seems to have shut down all monitor output until the next reboot.
> 
> MSI Afterburner tells the graphics card is an NVidia "GeForce 210 on GT218 GPU"
> 
> Why doesn't switching the monitor cable from the graphics card output to
> the motherboard output not work? How does the computer know which output to
> use at any given time?
> 
> Should I put a few drops of sewing machine oil into the fan spindle?
> (if I can get the fan housing off the graphics card that is)
> 
> Is there a magic keyboard sequence that will reboot a PC that is running
> but whose display is blind?
> 

Your first priority is fixing that.

You're going to ruin the card if you keep running it that way.

There are some frameless fans as replacement. You have to
check the dimensions and voltage carefully. Unfortunately,
these come from China, and while it might say "4 days" or
"6 days", we know it'll be 30 days plus.

https://www.newegg.ca/p/1YF-01FX-00A35

https://www.newegg.com/p/2RC-0CX0-00019

The video card market has been skewed for
long enough, that other options aren't very
attractive at all. It looks like Arctic Cooling
is half out of business. Changing out the whole cooler
doesn't look all that attractive.

The 210 may have a DVI-I, HDMI, VGA on it. A
replacement GT730 might be DVI-D, HDMI, VGA, which
means only one VGA output by default. Then you have
to buy an HDMI to VGA adapter, which costs more
money, if you want a second VGA. While the 210
is not a powerful card, it has a certain set of
outputs that are hard to match "exactly" with a more modern card.
For example, in my junk room, I have a pile of
HDMI to VGA and DP to VGA adapters. And that's because
my two prestigious monitors are VGA only.

*******

In Control Panels : Power Options , on the top right,
you can find

    "Choose what the power button does"

If you have Hibernate set up on the PC, you can
probably find Hibernate as an option for the Power
Button.

Then, if the screen turns black, you would press the
front power button, and after the drive light has been on
for 30 seconds or less, your (black screen) session
will be written to disk. This would normally require
pressing and holding the switch for four seconds, so
the instruction to do something registers. The switch
is set to ignore short presses, from things like your cat.

The next time you turn the PC on again, the hiberfile
will be read, and your session restored from disk.

That's a lot better than any keyboard shortcut.

    Paul

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#1663

On 7/29/2022 1:49 PM, Paul wrote:
>> Is there a magic keyboard sequence that will reboot a PC that is running
>> but whose display is blind?
>> 
> 
> Your first priority is fixing that.
> You're going to ruin the card if you keep running it that way.

That's why I asked for advice in oiling the fan spindle. :->

> The 210 may have a DVI-I, HDMI, VGA on it. 

The year 2009 motherboard ATI Radeon HD 4200 has a white DVI & blue VGA.
The Nvidia GeForce 210 has white DVI & blue VGA & HDMI. I'm using the HDMI.

> replacement GT730 might be DVI-D, HDMI, VGA, which
> means only one VGA output by default. Then you have
> to buy an HDMI to VGA adapter, which costs more
> money, if you want a second VGA.

It's an old desktop. If the graphics card died, I'd just drop down to the
motherboard graphics as I don't worse graphics but watch YouTube videos.

The problem really is just the fan needs lubrication.
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-210.c2020

> In Control Panels : Power Options , on the top right,
> you can find
>     "Choose what the power button does"

Because of linux dual boot, I have all the hiberstuff turned off.
Plus it often doesn't recover from sleep so I have that turned off too.

I don't want to sleep. I don't want to hibernate. I want to reboot.
So far nobody knows of any reboot key sequence unfortunately.

> That's a lot better than any keyboard shortcut.

Not really. It's like me asking how to get to Austin Texas and the only
thing the computer can do is take me to Reno Nevada instead.

Sure, Reno is nicer than Austin, but that's not what I want.

The three questions I asked were
(1) Is there a "shutdown" or "reboot" keyboard sequence?
    Unfortunately it's looking like the answer is no.
(2) How does the motherboard know which graphics output to use?
    Unfortunately it seems to depend on the motherboard & BIOS.
https://motherboardsguru.com/can-you-use-motherboard-hdmi-with-graphics-card/
(3) How do you lubricate a sticking graphics card fan?
    Unfortunately the manual doesn't say how to lubricate the fan.
https://www.manua.ls/gigabyte/nvidia-geforce-210/manual

This is a video for the GeForce 210 but it doesn't even have a fan.
https://youtu.be/Yckv00CsaJo

This is what the fan looks like. It's surrounded by heat sink fins.
https://compu-cel.com/product/video-cards/nvidia-geforce-210-1gb/

There is no 'cover' like you see on a lot of pictures on the net.
Probably those four plastic posts, one in each corner, can come out?
There is a dimple in the fan in the center but it's not an oil recess.
Maybe I can just pull the fan straight up and off?
Somehow I have to get the fan off to lubricate the spindle.

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#1674

On 7/30/2022 1:49 AM, YK wrote:
> On 7/29/2022 1:49 PM, Paul wrote:

>> Your first priority is fixing that.
>> You're going to ruin the card if you keep running it that way.
> 
> That's why I asked for advice in oiling the fan spindle. :->

You need to replace the fan.

Peeling the label off the fan to oil it, only used
to work on some older fans (probably ball bearing ones).

You have the option, on low power cards, of
replacing the heatsink-fan assembly with a
heatsink, plus an external case fan for air
movement. On a 300W card, that's not going to
work, and an Arctic Cooling aftermarket cooler
may be required to replaced worn-out stuff.
And Arctic Cooling may have stepped away from
the vid-card market, due to declining sales.

*******

Some integrated graphics, they are disabled
when you plug in a PCIe video card. Other
motherboards, allow both to run in parallel.

If you cannot seem to "raise" the onboard graphics,
they may appear again when the PCIe card is removed
from its socket. Always remove all power from
the PC when adding or removing cards (so no
standby voltages are hot).

In punter-land, the fastest way to fix a card
is to replace it. This one is $70 at the moment.

https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-geforce-gt-730-gv-n730d3-2gi-rev3-0/p/N82E16814932480

    Paul

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#1676

On 7/30/2022 2:54 PM, Paul wrote:
> If you cannot seem to "raise" the onboard graphics,
> they may appear again when the PCIe card is removed
> from its socket.

Every bit of advice you gave was on the mark!

I removed the graphics card and tried to remove the heat sink four plastic
posts but got scared I was going to break something. They take a lot of
force to just budge a millimeter and then I think you need all four at once
but I was afraid I was going to crack the graphics card in half doing that.

I also tried to remove the three steel screws underneath the fan blades but
I started stripping them so I got scared again and just put a few drops of
oil inside with the card upside down. I don't know if they did anything
though based on people saying the bearings are likely sealed.

I then rebooted the desktop without the graphics card and MSI Afterburner
saw the 196MHz ATI Radeon 4200 but when I put the graphics card back and
rebooted MSI Afterburner shows 520 MHz on the Nvidia GeForce 210.

I brought the desktop from the floor to the desktop so that I could keep an
eye on why the fan isn't turning when it should be turning. Unfortunately
the fan control buttons don't work with MSI Afterburner on that card.

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#1660

Am Freitag, 29. Juli 2022, um 11:13:23 Uhr schrieb YK:

> Why doesn't switching the monitor cable from the graphics card output
> to the motherboard output not work? How does the computer know which
> output to use at any given time?

If you have 2 graphics cards (the IGP and the dedicated), they can both
be used.
It is possible to detect a monitor that is connected to a
VGA/DVI/DP/HDMI port. This port will be switched on.

Regarding the IGP on the motherboard/CPU:
Most current MoBos support using the IGP at the same time as a
dedicated GPU, but some older ones (e.g. socket 775 and older) does not
support this, the IGP will be turned off if a dedicated GPU is
installed.

> Should I put a few drops of sewing machine oil into the fan spindle?
> (if I can get the fan housing off the graphics card that is)

This will help, I also did that with a Albatron GeForce 5700.
You maybe need to remove the sticker from the fan to reach the bearing.

Make sure the fan properly works, if the GPU gets too hot it will at
least crash the system and maybe completely destroy the GPU.

> Is there a magic keyboard sequence that will reboot a PC that is
> running out whose display is blind?

I don't know one for Windows, but for Linux.

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#1664

On 7/29/2022 6:59 PM, Marco Moock wrote:
> You maybe need to remove the sticker from the fan to reach the bearing.

I did remove the sticker but it just has a dimple in the middle of the fan.
I tried pulling the fan straigh up but something is holding it down.

The board and fan are EXACTLY the same as this photo (down to markings).
https://www.ebay.com/itm/165454337289?chn=ps&mkevt=1&mkcid=28

Can I pop the fan+heatsink off somehow using those four plastic posts?

This board & fan are also EXACTLY the same (again down to the markings).
https://www.ebay.com/itm/115338604625?chn=ps&mkevt=1&mkcid=28

I can see the same three screws below the fan.
Do they need to be removed in order to put machine oil on the fan spindle?

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#1665

On 7/30/2022 2:05 AM, YK wrote:
> On 7/29/2022 6:59 PM, Marco Moock wrote:
>> You maybe need to remove the sticker from the fan to reach the bearing.
> 
> I did remove the sticker but it just has a dimple in the middle of the fan.
> I tried pulling the fan straigh up but something is holding it down.
> 
> The board and fan are EXACTLY the same as this photo (down to markings).
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/165454337289?chn=ps&mkevt=1&mkcid=28
> 
> Can I pop the fan+heatsink off somehow using those four plastic posts?
> 
> This board & fan are also EXACTLY the same (again down to the markings).
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/115338604625?chn=ps&mkevt=1&mkcid=28
> 
> I can see the same three screws below the fan.
> Do they need to be removed in order to put machine oil on the fan spindle?

If you have a "$16 GPU", and it's giving you trouble, maybe just
replace the whole thing and avoid the likely possibility that a drop of 
machine oil won't fix the problem.  Or, as I suggested earlier, 
"jury-rig" a case fan to the GPU (after removing the current fan).

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#1667

On 7/30/2022 3:00 AM, Bill wrote:
>> I can see the same three screws below the fan.
>> Do they need to be removed in order to put machine oil on the fan spindle?
> 
> If you have a "$16 GPU", and it's giving you trouble, maybe just
> replace the whole thing and avoid the likely possibility that a drop of 
> machine oil won't fix the problem.  Or, as I suggested earlier, 
> "jury-rig" a case fan to the GPU (after removing the current fan).

Can you kindly start reading what I'm asking before offering advice?
:->

It's like I asked you how to walk to the local grocery store to get milk
and you tell me you prefer to fly an airplane to Paris for a French meal.

If you don't know the answer to the three questions, that's OK.
But please stop berating me because YOU don't like the questions I asked.

The three related technical questions I asked were
(1) Is there a Windows "shutdown" or "reboot" keyboard sequence?
    Unfortunately it's looking like the answer is emphatically no.
(2) How does the motherboard know which graphics output to use?
    It seems to depend on the motherboard & BIOS but mine are old are 2009.
https://motherboardsguru.com/can-you-use-motherboard-hdmi-with-graphics-card/
(3) How do you lubricate a sticking graphics card fan?
    Unfortunately the manual doesn't say how to lubricate the fan
https://www.manua.ls/gigabyte/nvidia-geforce-210/manual
    but I think I might be able to remove the fan manually & lube it
    because it has four plastic posts and three steel screws.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/115338604625?chn=ps&mkevt=1&mkcid=28

I'd appreciate it if your response is related to those three questions.

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#1668

On 7/30/2022 4:59 AM, YK wrote:
> On 7/30/2022 3:00 AM, Bill wrote:
>>> I can see the same three screws below the fan.
>>> Do they need to be removed in order to put machine oil on the fan 
>>> spindle?
>>
>> If you have a "$16 GPU", and it's giving you trouble, maybe just
>> replace the whole thing and avoid the likely possibility that a drop 
>> of machine oil won't fix the problem.  Or, as I suggested earlier, 
>> "jury-rig" a case fan to the GPU (after removing the current fan).
> 
> Can you kindly start reading what I'm asking before offering advice?
> :->
> 
> It's like I asked you how to walk to the local grocery store to get milk
> and you tell me you prefer to fly an airplane to Paris for a French meal.
> 
> If you don't know the answer to the three questions, that's OK.
> But please stop berating me because YOU don't like the questions I asked.
> 
> The three related technical questions I asked were

The problem is that your 3 questions were Not related...maybe the second
two might possibly be if one is feeling generous!  ; )  As you seem to 
know, one question per thread is a good rule of thumb.


> (1) Is there a Windows "shutdown" or "reboot" keyboard sequence?
>     Unfortunately it's looking like the answer is emphatically no.
> (2) How does the motherboard know which graphics output to use?
>     It seems to depend on the motherboard & BIOS but mine are old are 2009.
> https://motherboardsguru.com/can-you-use-motherboard-hdmi-with-graphics-card/ 
> 
> (3) How do you lubricate a sticking graphics card fan?
>     Unfortunately the manual doesn't say how to lubricate the fan
> https://www.manua.ls/gigabyte/nvidia-geforce-210/manual
>     but I think I might be able to remove the fan manually & lube it
>     because it has four plastic posts and three steel screws.
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/115338604625?chn=ps&mkevt=1&mkcid=28
> 
> I'd appreciate it if your response is related to those three questions.

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#1672

Bill used his or her keyboard to write :

> The problem is that your 3 questions were Not related...maybe the second
> two might possibly be if one is feeling generous!  ; )  As you seem to 
> know, one question per thread is a good rule of thumb.

The seemed related to me in that his graphics card fan slows down due to
lack of lubrication and then the screen goes blank and he would like to
change the graphics output to the motherboard and reboot the computer so
that change would take affect (or have the change switch automatically).

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#1679

On 7/30/2022 11:59 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
> Bill used his or her keyboard to write :
> 
>> The problem is that your 3 questions were Not related...maybe the second
>> two might possibly be if one is feeling generous!  ; )  As you seem to 
>> know, one question per thread is a good rule of thumb.
> 
> The seemed related to me in that his graphics card fan slows down due to
> lack of lubrication and then the screen goes blank and he would like to
> change the graphics output to the motherboard and reboot the computer so
> that change would take affect (or have the change switch automatically).

Yes, that's what I said. You can relate them if you try hard enough! ; )
nuf said.

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#1680

On 7/31/2022 3:39 AM, Bill wrote:
> On 7/30/2022 11:59 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
>> Bill used his or her keyboard to write :
>>
>>> The problem is that your 3 questions were Not related...maybe the second
>>> two might possibly be if one is feeling generous!  ; )  As you seem to know, one question per thread is a good rule of thumb.
>>
>> The seemed related to me in that his graphics card fan slows down due to
>> lack of lubrication and then the screen goes blank and he would like to
>> change the graphics output to the motherboard and reboot the computer so
>> that change would take affect (or have the change switch automatically).
> 
> Yes, that's what I said. You can relate them if you try hard enough! ; )
> nuf said.

If there is a working integrated graphics, I'd just unplug the
fan-deficient card until it was fixed. And use the integrated graphics
full time.

Depending on the heatsink-fan design, you butter it up with thermal
paste and lay it, fan side down, on the table. There can be four holes
in the graphics card. You lay the graphics card onto the buttered heatsink,
being careful to align the four holes in the PCB with the equivalent points
in the heatsink. You can use a pair of diagonal holes as "alignment" info,
while screwing in the screws for the other diagonal. This keeps things
aligned long enough, to fasten the items together. The second two
screws will be easier to fit. On a typical cheesy video card like the
one I re-pasted, the screws have springs and the springs control the
assembly tension. So it cannot be over-torqued.

If you don't use the holes for alignment, there is a tendency to
"push the PCB all over the place, smear thermal paste all over, make big mess".
That's part of the learning process.

    Paul

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#1681

Am Samstag, 30. Juli 2022, um 02:05:34 Uhr schrieb YK:

> Can I pop the fan+heatsink off somehow using those four plastic posts?

Yes, you can. Use pliers and scrunch them. Be careful. Then you can
push them out.

> This board & fan are also EXACTLY the same (again down to the
> markings).
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/115338604625?chn=ps&mkevt=1&mkcid=28

Very interesting offer, the slot cover is extremely bent.
 
> I can see the same three screws below the fan.
> Do they need to be removed in order to put machine oil on the fan
> spindle?

Yes, you need to unscrew the fan from the black aluminum cooler.
Then you can remove the sticker on the downside of the fan (you can't
reach it when mounted).

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#1682

On 7/31/2022 10:52 AM, Marco Moock wrote:
>> Can I pop the fan+heatsink off somehow using those four plastic posts?
> 
> Yes, you can. Use pliers and scrunch them. Be careful. Then you can
> push them out.

I might have to. It's scary though. Do they all come out at once or
separately? They seem to have some kind of strong spring inside them as
they pop up a little when I press on the bottom and then they pop back.

The oil doesn't seem to have made any difference so it's probably gummed up
inside. It spins but only a turn or maybe not even that when I spit it
without power. When I spin it with power, it hesitates and then starts
spinning under power, like the old hand spun airplane propellers do in the
movies.

I don't know if that's normal or not.

>> This board & fan are also EXACTLY the same (again down to the
>> markings).
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/115338604625?chn=ps&mkevt=1&mkcid=28
> 
> Very interesting offer, the slot cover is extremely bent.

I can get it for $30 without the bent slot cover. :-> But if I were to
replace the graphics card, I'd probably get a better one than these.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/165454337289?chn=ps&mkevt=1&mkcid=28

The reason I show those is they are exactly the same while most of the hits
in images.google.com are of a different fan. This one is exact, and even
the placement of the capacitors are the same as are the major markings on
the two black blocks and the placement of the fan power wires.

Even the 1GB of memory is the same as mine. BTW, why is it called 
EVGA NVIDIA GeForce 210? What's the EVGA mean?

>> I can see the same three screws below the fan.
>> Do they need to be removed in order to put machine oil on the fan
>> spindle?
> 
> Yes, you need to unscrew the fan from the black aluminum cooler.
> Then you can remove the sticker on the downside of the fan (you can't
> reach it when mounted).

I brought the desktop up to the top of my desk and I will watch it closely
as I have the side panel removed and a large Honeywell fan blowing on it
just in case. I'm watching the fan speed with MSI Afterburner too.
https://www.msi.com/Landing/afterburner/graphics-cards

There were two checkboxes in the msi afterburner setup, one for Rivatuner.
But Rivatuner errors out but I don't know if this error is related or not.
"RivaTunerStatisticsServer"
"Direct3D12 components cannot be hooked right now."
"It is strongly recommended to restart application."

I don't even know what rivatuner does but msi afterburner lets me check
the temperature and fan speed. I'm afraid to change the fan speed though.

Do you have advice on how to set that fan speed curve (but I wonder how
accurate it is given it says the fan is spinning when it's not spinning).

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