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  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-16 01:33 -0400
    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-16 20:24 +0800
      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-16 10:55 -0400
        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 11:01 +0800
      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. John Ritson <j.ritson@hotmail.co.uk> - 2015-08-16 16:55 +0100
        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 11:11 +0800
          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-17 13:39 +0100
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-17 12:34 -0400
              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-18 11:55 +0100
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-18 01:10 +0800
              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-17 14:38 -0400
          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-17 08:56 -0700
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-18 01:49 +0800
              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-17 11:02 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-08-17 16:12 -0700
                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-18 14:11 +0800
                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 08:34 -0700
                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 08:04 +0800
                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 18:13 -0700
                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 21:11 +0800
                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-19 12:26 -0700
                              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-20 07:08 +0800
                                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-20 09:31 -0700
                                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-21 09:59 +0100
                                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-21 21:05 +0800
                                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-21 18:44 -0700
                                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-22 08:50 +0100
                                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-22 07:03 -0700
                                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-22 16:37 +0800
                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-19 10:07 +0100
                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 21:21 +0800
                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Dreamer In Colore <dreamerincolore@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-19 16:57 -0400
                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-20 14:51 +0100
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-18 14:14 +0800
                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 08:25 -0700
                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 08:16 +0800
                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 18:10 -0700
                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 21:24 +0800

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#1961436 — Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science.

In article <mqke7b$vf2$10@dont-email.me>,
niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said:

> William December Starr wrote:
>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said:
>>
>>> Living itself is a purpose. And it is a great purpose. It is to
>>> worship the God of living.
>>
>> Well I guess if you're going to anthropomorphize -- excuse me,
>> deus-morphize -- _any_ concept, then yes, any concept is a God of
>> something.  That gets us rather deep into "so what?" territory though.
>
> Well, if we can agree on the fact of life which shows everybody
> including the atheists has a god of their own on a personal level,

We can't.  You use the words 'god' and 'God' in ways that are so
non-standard that I doubt you make sense to anyone but yourself.

[...]

> My claim is based on the assumption that every life is precious
> and has a purpose. It's rather straight forward common sense.

"Common sense" here means "I sure looks like X to *me*, therefore it
must look that way to everybody."  It proves nothing.

-- wds

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#1961570

On 2015-08-16 01:33 PM, William December Starr wrote:
> In article <mqke7b$vf2$10@dont-email.me>,
> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said:
>
>> William December Starr wrote:
>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said:
>>>
>>>> Living itself is a purpose. And it is a great purpose. It is to
>>>> worship the God of living.
>>>
>>> Well I guess if you're going to anthropomorphize -- excuse me,
>>> deus-morphize -- _any_ concept, then yes, any concept is a God of
>>> something.  That gets us rather deep into "so what?" territory though.
>>
>> Well, if we can agree on the fact of life which shows everybody
>> including the atheists has a god of their own on a personal level,
>
> We can't.  You use the words 'god' and 'God' in ways that are so
> non-standard that I doubt you make sense to anyone but yourself.

That only because you have never thought of God/god on a personal level. 
God is not out there in the sky. God is within you who is the center of 
your life. You actually live your life for God even when you call 
yourself an atheist. When you don't live your life for the God within 
you, you always suffer in life. There is no exception for everybody. 
It's universal.

>
> [...]
>
>> My claim is based on the assumption that every life is precious
>> and has a purpose. It's rather straight forward common sense.
>
> "Common sense" here means "I sure looks like X to *me*, therefore it
> must look that way to everybody."  It proves nothing.

I fail to see there is anything difficult to understand. Perhaps you 
need to look within yourself and your life in order to understand what 
I'm talking about.

>
> -- wds
>

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#1961656

In article <mqpvas$r80$1@dont-email.me>,
niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said:

>>> Well, if we can agree on the fact of life which shows everybody
>>> including the atheists has a god of their own on a personal
>>> level,
>>
>> We can't.  You use the words 'god' and 'God' in ways that are so
>> non-standard that I doubt you make sense to anyone but yourself.
>
> That only because you have never thought of God/god on a personal
> level.  God is not out there in the sky. God is within you who is
> the center of your life. You actually live your life for God even
> when you call yourself an atheist. When you don't live your life
> for the God within you, you always suffer in life. There is no
> exception for everybody.  It's universal.

[...]

>>> My claim is based on the assumption that every life is precious
>>> and has a purpose. It's rather straight forward common sense.
>>
>> "Common sense" here means "I sure looks like X to *me*, therefore it
>> must look that way to everybody."  It proves nothing.
>
> I fail to see there is anything difficult to understand. Perhaps
> you need to look within yourself and your life in order to
> understand what I'm talking about.

This is where I stop talking to you.  You've played the smarmy "If
you weren't so shallow and small-minded then you'd agree with me"
card one time too many.

-- wds

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#1962207

On 2015-08-16 10:55 PM, William December Starr wrote:
> In article <mqpvas$r80$1@dont-email.me>,
> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said:
>
>>>> Well, if we can agree on the fact of life which shows everybody
>>>> including the atheists has a god of their own on a personal
>>>> level,
>>>
>>> We can't.  You use the words 'god' and 'God' in ways that are so
>>> non-standard that I doubt you make sense to anyone but yourself.
>>
>> That only because you have never thought of God/god on a personal
>> level.  God is not out there in the sky. God is within you who is
>> the center of your life. You actually live your life for God even
>> when you call yourself an atheist. When you don't live your life
>> for the God within you, you always suffer in life. There is no
>> exception for everybody.  It's universal.
>
> [...]
>
>>>> My claim is based on the assumption that every life is precious
>>>> and has a purpose. It's rather straight forward common sense.
>>>
>>> "Common sense" here means "I sure looks like X to *me*, therefore it
>>> must look that way to everybody."  It proves nothing.
>>
>> I fail to see there is anything difficult to understand. Perhaps
>> you need to look within yourself and your life in order to
>> understand what I'm talking about.
>
> This is where I stop talking to you.  You've played the smarmy "If
> you weren't so shallow and small-minded then you'd agree with me"
> card one time too many.
>
> -- wds
>

Now you misunderstood me. That was an honest suggestion.

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#1961683

In article <mqpvas$r80$1@dont-email.me>, niunian <niunian@ymail.com>
writes
>On 2015-08-16 01:33 PM, William December Starr wrote:
>> In article <mqke7b$vf2$10@dont-email.me>,
>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said:
>>
>>> William December Starr wrote:
>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said:
>>>>
>>>>> Living itself is a purpose. And it is a great purpose. It is to
>>>>> worship the God of living.
>>>>
>>>> Well I guess if you're going to anthropomorphize -- excuse me,
>>>> deus-morphize -- _any_ concept, then yes, any concept is a God of
>>>> something.  That gets us rather deep into "so what?" territory though.
>>>
>>> Well, if we can agree on the fact of life which shows everybody
>>> including the atheists has a god of their own on a personal level,
>>
>> We can't.  You use the words 'god' and 'God' in ways that are so
>> non-standard that I doubt you make sense to anyone but yourself.
>
>That only because you have never thought of God/god on a personal level. 
>God is not out there in the sky. God is within you who is the center of 
>your life. You actually live your life for God even when you call 
>yourself an atheist.
So (according to you) everybody lives their life for God.
> When you don't live your life for the God within 
>you, you always suffer in life. 
But since (according to you) everybody lives their life for God, nobody
'always suffers'.
You are just talking rubbish.
>There is no exception for everybody. 
>It's universal.


>
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>> My claim is based on the assumption that every life is precious
>>> and has a purpose. It's rather straight forward common sense.
>>
>> "Common sense" here means "I sure looks like X to *me*, therefore it
>> must look that way to everybody."  It proves nothing.
>
>I fail to see there is anything difficult to understand. Perhaps you 
>need to look within yourself and your life in order to understand what 
>I'm talking about.
>
>>
>> -- wds
>>
>

-- 
John Ritson

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#1962215

On 2015-08-16 11:55 PM, John Ritson wrote:
> In article <mqpvas$r80$1@dont-email.me>, niunian <niunian@ymail.com>
> writes
>> On 2015-08-16 01:33 PM, William December Starr wrote:
>>> In article <mqke7b$vf2$10@dont-email.me>,
>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said:
>>>
>>>> William December Starr wrote:
>>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Living itself is a purpose. And it is a great purpose. It is to
>>>>>> worship the God of living.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well I guess if you're going to anthropomorphize -- excuse me,
>>>>> deus-morphize -- _any_ concept, then yes, any concept is a God of
>>>>> something.  That gets us rather deep into "so what?" territory though.
>>>>
>>>> Well, if we can agree on the fact of life which shows everybody
>>>> including the atheists has a god of their own on a personal level,
>>>
>>> We can't.  You use the words 'god' and 'God' in ways that are so
>>> non-standard that I doubt you make sense to anyone but yourself.
>>
>> That only because you have never thought of God/god on a personal level.
>> God is not out there in the sky. God is within you who is the center of
>> your life. You actually live your life for God even when you call
>> yourself an atheist.
> So (according to you) everybody lives their life for God.
>> When you don't live your life for the God within
>> you, you always suffer in life.

> But since (according to you) everybody lives their life for God, nobody
> 'always suffers'.
> You are just talking rubbish.

No. If we can always live our lives for God, we would never suffer. The 
reason we do suffer in life, is because we sometimes stop living our 
lives for God. God is the source of our spiritual energy like happiness, 
peace, love, satisfaction, etc. When we don't live our lives for God, we 
wouldn't get any of those good things from God. When life is without 
happiness, peace, love, and satisfaction, life becomes suffering.

>> There is no exception for everybody.
>> It's universal.
>
>
>>
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>> My claim is based on the assumption that every life is precious
>>>> and has a purpose. It's rather straight forward common sense.
>>>
>>> "Common sense" here means "I sure looks like X to *me*, therefore it
>>> must look that way to everybody."  It proves nothing.
>>
>> I fail to see there is anything difficult to understand. Perhaps you
>> need to look within yourself and your life in order to understand what
>> I'm talking about.
>>
>>>
>>> -- wds
>>>
>>
>

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#1962475

On 17/08/2015 04:11, niunian wrote:
> On 2015-08-16 11:55 PM, John Ritson wrote:
>> In article <mqpvas$r80$1@dont-email.me>, niunian <niunian@ymail.com>
>> writes
>>> On 2015-08-16 01:33 PM, William December Starr wrote:
>>>> In article <mqke7b$vf2$10@dont-email.me>,
>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said:
>>>>
>>>>> William December Starr wrote:
>>>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Living itself is a purpose. And it is a great purpose. It is to
>>>>>>> worship the God of living.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well I guess if you're going to anthropomorphize -- excuse me,
>>>>>> deus-morphize -- _any_ concept, then yes, any concept is a God of
>>>>>> something.  That gets us rather deep into "so what?" territory
>>>>>> though.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, if we can agree on the fact of life which shows everybody
>>>>> including the atheists has a god of their own on a personal level,
>>>>
>>>> We can't.  You use the words 'god' and 'God' in ways that are so
>>>> non-standard that I doubt you make sense to anyone but yourself.
>>>
>>> That only because you have never thought of God/god on a personal level.
>>> God is not out there in the sky. God is within you who is the center of
>>> your life. You actually live your life for God even when you call
>>> yourself an atheist.
>> So (according to you) everybody lives their life for God.
>>> When you don't live your life for the God within
>>> you, you always suffer in life.
>
>> But since (according to you) everybody lives their life for God, nobody
>> 'always suffers'.
>> You are just talking rubbish.
>
> No. If we can always live our lives for God, we would never suffer. The
> reason we do suffer in life, is because we sometimes stop living our
> lives for God. God is the source of our spiritual energy like happiness,
> peace, love, satisfaction, etc. When we don't live our lives for God, we
> wouldn't get any of those good things from God. When life is without
> happiness, peace, love, and satisfaction, life becomes suffering.

If you want to reduce suffering, you could start by learning the proper 
etiquette for posting on Usenet: when there are bits of the post below 
the part you are responding to, it is considered polite to snip them 
before hitting "send".

As for suffering for failure to "live our lives for god", maybe you 
should chat to a Hasidim sometime.  They do truly make a concerted 
effort to obey all 600-odd divine commandments, and consequently twist 
their entire lives into pretzel shape in this impossible pursuit.  Even 
they will tell you that it is flat out impossible, so even the attempt 
imposes suffering.

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#1962585

On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 13:39:52 +0100, "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> wrote
>On 17/08/2015 04:11, niunian wrote nonsense:


        More nonsense about nothingness cross-posted
indiscriminately.

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#1963213

On 17/08/2015 17:34, kefischer wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 13:39:52 +0100, "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> wrote
>> On 17/08/2015 04:11, niunian wrote nonsense:
>
>
>          More nonsense about nothingness cross-posted
> indiscriminately.
>

If you let me know the newsgroup you are posting from, I'll happily 
remove it.

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#1962628

On 2015-08-17 08:39 PM, Alex W. wrote:
> On 17/08/2015 04:11, niunian wrote:
>> On 2015-08-16 11:55 PM, John Ritson wrote:
>>> In article <mqpvas$r80$1@dont-email.me>, niunian <niunian@ymail.com>
>>> writes
>>>> On 2015-08-16 01:33 PM, William December Starr wrote:
>>>>> In article <mqke7b$vf2$10@dont-email.me>,
>>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> William December Starr wrote:
>>>>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Living itself is a purpose. And it is a great purpose. It is to
>>>>>>>> worship the God of living.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well I guess if you're going to anthropomorphize -- excuse me,
>>>>>>> deus-morphize -- _any_ concept, then yes, any concept is a God of
>>>>>>> something.  That gets us rather deep into "so what?" territory
>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, if we can agree on the fact of life which shows everybody
>>>>>> including the atheists has a god of their own on a personal level,
>>>>>
>>>>> We can't.  You use the words 'god' and 'God' in ways that are so
>>>>> non-standard that I doubt you make sense to anyone but yourself.
>>>>
>>>> That only because you have never thought of God/god on a personal
>>>> level.
>>>> God is not out there in the sky. God is within you who is the center of
>>>> your life. You actually live your life for God even when you call
>>>> yourself an atheist.
>>> So (according to you) everybody lives their life for God.
>>>> When you don't live your life for the God within
>>>> you, you always suffer in life.
>>
>>> But since (according to you) everybody lives their life for God, nobody
>>> 'always suffers'.
>>> You are just talking rubbish.
>>
>> No. If we can always live our lives for God, we would never suffer. The
>> reason we do suffer in life, is because we sometimes stop living our
>> lives for God. God is the source of our spiritual energy like happiness,
>> peace, love, satisfaction, etc. When we don't live our lives for God, we
>> wouldn't get any of those good things from God. When life is without
>> happiness, peace, love, and satisfaction, life becomes suffering.
>
> If you want to reduce suffering, you could start by learning the proper
> etiquette for posting on Usenet: when there are bits of the post below
> the part you are responding to, it is considered polite to snip them
> before hitting "send".

Sure. Not a problem for me. I will try to do that.

>
> As for suffering for failure to "live our lives for god", maybe you
> should chat to a Hasidim sometime.  They do truly make a concerted
> effort to obey all 600-odd divine commandments, and consequently twist
> their entire lives into pretzel shape in this impossible pursuit.  Even
> they will tell you that it is flat out impossible, so even the attempt
> imposes suffering.

As far as I know, there is no commandment from the God of living. For 
the God of killing? it may be another matter. However, there is the edge 
of the cliff one is advised not to step over, but that is something only 
for specific individual under special circumstances. It's not everyday 
for someone to wandering on a cliff.

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#1962677

On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 01:10:27 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> wrote:

>On 2015-08-17 08:39 PM, Alex W. wrote:

        More nonsense about nothingness cross-posted
indiscriminately.

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#1962552

On Sunday, August 16, 2015 at 8:11:51 PM UTC-7, niunian wrote:
> On 2015-08-16 11:55 PM, John Ritson wrote:
> > In article <mqpvas$r80$1@dont-email.me>, niunian <niunian@ymail.com>
> > writes
> >> On 2015-08-16 01:33 PM, William December Starr wrote:
> >>> In article <mqke7b$vf2$10@dont-email.me>,
> >>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said:
> >>>
> >>>> William December Starr wrote:
> >>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Living itself is a purpose. And it is a great purpose. It is to
> >>>>>> worship the God of living.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Well I guess if you're going to anthropomorphize -- excuse me,
> >>>>> deus-morphize -- _any_ concept, then yes, any concept is a God of
> >>>>> something.  That gets us rather deep into "so what?" territory though.
> >>>>
> >>>> Well, if we can agree on the fact of life which shows everybody
> >>>> including the atheists has a god of their own on a personal level,
> >>>
> >>> We can't.  You use the words 'god' and 'God' in ways that are so
> >>> non-standard that I doubt you make sense to anyone but yourself.
> >>
> >> That only because you have never thought of God/god on a personal level.
> >> God is not out there in the sky. God is within you who is the center of
> >> your life. You actually live your life for God even when you call
> >> yourself an atheist.
> > So (according to you) everybody lives their life for God.
> >> When you don't live your life for the God within
> >> you, you always suffer in life.
> 

.> > But since (according to you) everybody lives their life for God, nobody
.> > 'always suffers'.
.> > You are just talking rubbish.


.> No. If we can always live our lives for God, we would never suffer. 

Try that one out on someone with reflex sympathetic dystrophy
or paroxysmal extreme pain disorder or complex regional pain syndrome.


Seth



> The 
> reason we do suffer in life, is because we sometimes stop living our 
> lives for God. God is the source of our spiritual energy like happiness, 
> peace, love, satisfaction, etc. When we don't live our lives for God, we 
> wouldn't get any of those good things from God. When life is without 
> happiness, peace, love, and satisfaction, life becomes suffering.
> 
> >> There is no exception for everybody.
> >> It's universal.
> >
> >
> >>
> >>>
> >>> [...]
> >>>
> >>>> My claim is based on the assumption that every life is precious
> >>>> and has a purpose. It's rather straight forward common sense.
> >>>
> >>> "Common sense" here means "I sure looks like X to *me*, therefore it
> >>> must look that way to everybody."  It proves nothing.
> >>
> >> I fail to see there is anything difficult to understand. Perhaps you
> >> need to look within yourself and your life in order to understand what
> >> I'm talking about.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> -- wds
> >>>
> >>
> >

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#1962660

On 2015-08-17 11:56 PM, nature bats last wrote:
> On Sunday, August 16, 2015 at 8:11:51 PM UTC-7, niunian wrote:
>> On 2015-08-16 11:55 PM, John Ritson wrote:
>>> In article <mqpvas$r80$1@dont-email.me>, niunian <niunian@ymail.com>
>>> writes
>>>> On 2015-08-16 01:33 PM, William December Starr wrote:
>>>>> In article <mqke7b$vf2$10@dont-email.me>,
>>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> William December Starr wrote:
>>>>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Living itself is a purpose. And it is a great purpose. It is to
>>>>>>>> worship the God of living.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well I guess if you're going to anthropomorphize -- excuse me,
>>>>>>> deus-morphize -- _any_ concept, then yes, any concept is a God of
>>>>>>> something.  That gets us rather deep into "so what?" territory though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, if we can agree on the fact of life which shows everybody
>>>>>> including the atheists has a god of their own on a personal level,
>>>>>
>>>>> We can't.  You use the words 'god' and 'God' in ways that are so
>>>>> non-standard that I doubt you make sense to anyone but yourself.
>>>>
>>>> That only because you have never thought of God/god on a personal level.
>>>> God is not out there in the sky. God is within you who is the center of
>>>> your life. You actually live your life for God even when you call
>>>> yourself an atheist.
>>> So (according to you) everybody lives their life for God.
>>>> When you don't live your life for the God within
>>>> you, you always suffer in life.
>>
>
> ..> > But since (according to you) everybody lives their life for God, nobody
> ..> > 'always suffers'.
> ..> > You are just talking rubbish.
>
>
> ..> No. If we can always live our lives for God, we would never suffer.
>
> Try that one out on someone with reflex sympathetic dystrophy
> or paroxysmal extreme pain disorder or complex regional pain syndrome.

For people who have to live a difficult life, when they live their life 
for God, they may still have to endure the physical pain in their body, 
but they don't have to endure any mental suffering in their mind. There 
isn't any to begin with. In fact, they may be given the extra strength 
to help them to endure the extra physical pain so that they can overcome 
their difficulty. To them, failure will never discourage them, each time 
they fail, it will only make them coming back to start a more fierce 
struggle. It's all because they live their lives for God, they have 
nothing to worry about.

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#1962666

On Monday, August 17, 2015 at 10:49:44 AM UTC-7, niunian wrote:
> On 2015-08-17 11:56 PM, nature bats last wrote:
> > On Sunday, August 16, 2015 at 8:11:51 PM UTC-7, niunian wrote:
> >> On 2015-08-16 11:55 PM, John Ritson wrote:
> >>> In article <mqpvas$r80$1@dont-email.me>, niunian <niunian@ymail.com>
> >>> writes
> >>>> On 2015-08-16 01:33 PM, William December Starr wrote:
> >>>>> In article <mqke7b$vf2$10@dont-email.me>,
> >>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> William December Starr wrote:
> >>>>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Living itself is a purpose. And it is a great purpose. It is to
> >>>>>>>> worship the God of living.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Well I guess if you're going to anthropomorphize -- excuse me,
> >>>>>>> deus-morphize -- _any_ concept, then yes, any concept is a God of
> >>>>>>> something.  That gets us rather deep into "so what?" territory though.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Well, if we can agree on the fact of life which shows everybody
> >>>>>> including the atheists has a god of their own on a personal level,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We can't.  You use the words 'god' and 'God' in ways that are so
> >>>>> non-standard that I doubt you make sense to anyone but yourself.
> >>>>
> >>>> That only because you have never thought of God/god on a personal level.
> >>>> God is not out there in the sky. God is within you who is the center of
> >>>> your life. You actually live your life for God even when you call
> >>>> yourself an atheist.
> >>> So (according to you) everybody lives their life for God.
> >>>> When you don't live your life for the God within
> >>>> you, you always suffer in life.
> >>
> >
> > ..> > But since (according to you) everybody lives their life for God, nobody
> > ..> > 'always suffers'.
> > ..> > You are just talking rubbish.
> >
> >
> > ..> No. If we can always live our lives for God, we would never suffer.
> >


.> > Try that one out on someone with reflex sympathetic dystrophy
.> > or paroxysmal extreme pain disorder or complex regional pain syndrome.
 
.> For people who have to live a difficult life, when they live their life 
.> for God, they may still have to endure the physical pain in their body, 
.> but they don't have to endure any mental suffering in their mind. There 
.> isn't any to begin with. In fact, they may be given the extra strength 
.> to help them to endure the extra physical pain so that they can overcome 
.> their difficulty. To them, failure will never discourage them, each time 
.> they fail, it will only make them coming back to start a more fierce 
.> struggle. It's all because they live their lives for God, they have 
,> nothing to worry about.

Are you speaking from personal experience with extreme
and omnipresent pain?


Seth

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#1962903

In article <b0ab36ab-3f79-4496-b325-9a9ae530f140@googlegroups.com>,
 nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Monday, August 17, 2015 at 10:49:44 AM UTC-7, niunian wrote:
> > On 2015-08-17 11:56 PM, nature bats last wrote:
> > > On Sunday, August 16, 2015 at 8:11:51 PM UTC-7, niunian wrote:
> > >> On 2015-08-16 11:55 PM, John Ritson wrote:
> > >>> In article <mqpvas$r80$1@dont-email.me>, niunian <niunian@ymail.com>
> > >>> writes
> > >>>> On 2015-08-16 01:33 PM, William December Starr wrote:
> > >>>>> In article <mqke7b$vf2$10@dont-email.me>,
> > >>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> William December Starr wrote:
> > >>>>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Living itself is a purpose. And it is a great purpose. It is to
> > >>>>>>>> worship the God of living.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Well I guess if you're going to anthropomorphize -- excuse me,
> > >>>>>>> deus-morphize -- _any_ concept, then yes, any concept is a God of
> > >>>>>>> something.  That gets us rather deep into "so what?" territory 
> > >>>>>>> though.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Well, if we can agree on the fact of life which shows everybody
> > >>>>>> including the atheists has a god of their own on a personal level,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> We can't.  You use the words 'god' and 'God' in ways that are so
> > >>>>> non-standard that I doubt you make sense to anyone but yourself.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> That only because you have never thought of God/god on a personal 
> > >>>> level.
> > >>>> God is not out there in the sky. God is within you who is the center 
> > >>>> of
> > >>>> your life. You actually live your life for God even when you call
> > >>>> yourself an atheist.
> > >>> So (according to you) everybody lives their life for God.
> > >>>> When you don't live your life for the God within
> > >>>> you, you always suffer in life.
> > >>
> > >
> > > ..> > But since (according to you) everybody lives their life for God, 
> > > nobody
> > > ..> > 'always suffers'.
> > > ..> > You are just talking rubbish.
> > >
> > >
> > > ..> No. If we can always live our lives for God, we would never suffer.
> > >
> 
> 
> .> > Try that one out on someone with reflex sympathetic dystrophy
> .> > or paroxysmal extreme pain disorder or complex regional pain syndrome.
>  
> .> For people who have to live a difficult life, when they live their life 
> .> for God, they may still have to endure the physical pain in their body, 
> .> but they don't have to endure any mental suffering in their mind. 

There are few things that cause "suffering in their mind" more than 
perpetual severe pain. Why did you say something so incredibly stupid?


> .> There 
> .> isn't any to begin with. In fact, they may be given the extra strength 
> .> to help them to endure the extra physical pain so that they can overcome 
> .> their difficulty. To them, failure will never discourage them, each time 
> .> they fail, it will only make them coming back to start a more fierce 
> .> struggle. It's all because they live their lives for God, they have 
> ,> nothing to worry about.
> 
> Are you speaking from personal experience with extreme
> and omnipresent pain?

-- 

JD

Išve officially given up trying to find the bottom 
of the barrel that is Republican depravity.--Jidyom 
Rosario, Addicting Info

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#1963160

On 2015-08-18 07:12 AM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
> In article <b0ab36ab-3f79-4496-b325-9a9ae530f140@googlegroups.com>,
>   nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Monday, August 17, 2015 at 10:49:44 AM UTC-7, niunian wrote:
>>> On 2015-08-17 11:56 PM, nature bats last wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, August 16, 2015 at 8:11:51 PM UTC-7, niunian wrote:
>>>>> On 2015-08-16 11:55 PM, John Ritson wrote:
>>>>>> In article <mqpvas$r80$1@dont-email.me>, niunian <niunian@ymail.com>
>>>>>> writes
>>>>>>> On 2015-08-16 01:33 PM, William December Starr wrote:
>>>>>>>> In article <mqke7b$vf2$10@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> William December Starr wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Living itself is a purpose. And it is a great purpose. It is to
>>>>>>>>>>> worship the God of living.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Well I guess if you're going to anthropomorphize -- excuse me,
>>>>>>>>>> deus-morphize -- _any_ concept, then yes, any concept is a God of
>>>>>>>>>> something.  That gets us rather deep into "so what?" territory
>>>>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well, if we can agree on the fact of life which shows everybody
>>>>>>>>> including the atheists has a god of their own on a personal level,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We can't.  You use the words 'god' and 'God' in ways that are so
>>>>>>>> non-standard that I doubt you make sense to anyone but yourself.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That only because you have never thought of God/god on a personal
>>>>>>> level.
>>>>>>> God is not out there in the sky. God is within you who is the center
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> your life. You actually live your life for God even when you call
>>>>>>> yourself an atheist.
>>>>>> So (according to you) everybody lives their life for God.
>>>>>>> When you don't live your life for the God within
>>>>>>> you, you always suffer in life.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ..> > But since (according to you) everybody lives their life for God,
>>>> nobody
>>>> ..> > 'always suffers'.
>>>> ..> > You are just talking rubbish.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ..> No. If we can always live our lives for God, we would never suffer.
>>>>
>>
>>
>> .> > Try that one out on someone with reflex sympathetic dystrophy
>> .> > or paroxysmal extreme pain disorder or complex regional pain syndrome.
>>
>> .> For people who have to live a difficult life, when they live their life
>> .> for God, they may still have to endure the physical pain in their body,
>> .> but they don't have to endure any mental suffering in their mind.
>
> There are few things that cause "suffering in their mind" more than
> perpetual severe pain. Why did you say something so incredibly stupid?

Not really, the suffering in people's mind can only exist when there is 
an image of self in their mind which dominates their life. When a person 
stops living for that empty image and starts living for the spirit of 
God within him/her, suffering in their mind will be taken away by God. 
There will be no self pity or the feeling of personal failure and injury 
anymore. There will only be a simple acceptance of life and the desire 
to make the best of it whenever and however possible.

>
>
>> .> There
>> .> isn't any to begin with. In fact, they may be given the extra strength
>> .> to help them to endure the extra physical pain so that they can overcome
>> .> their difficulty. To them, failure will never discourage them, each time
>> .> they fail, it will only make them coming back to start a more fierce
>> .> struggle. It's all because they live their lives for God, they have
>> ,> nothing to worry about.
>>
>> Are you speaking from personal experience with extreme
>> and omnipresent pain?
>

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#1963344

On Monday, August 17, 2015 at 11:30:15 PM UTC-7, niunian wrote:
> On 2015-08-18 07:12 AM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
> > In article <b0ab36ab-3f79-4496-b325-9a9ae530f140@googlegroups.com>,
> >   nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Monday, August 17, 2015 at 10:49:44 AM UTC-7, niunian wrote:
> >>> On 2015-08-17 11:56 PM, nature bats last wrote:
> >>>> On Sunday, August 16, 2015 at 8:11:51 PM UTC-7, niunian wrote:
> >>>>> On 2015-08-16 11:55 PM, John Ritson wrote:
> >>>>>> In article <mqpvas$r80$1@dont-email.me>, niunian <niunian@ymail.com>
> >>>>>> writes
> >>>>>>> On 2015-08-16 01:33 PM, William December Starr wrote:
> >>>>>>>> In article <mqke7b$vf2$10@dont-email.me>,
> >>>>>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> William December Starr wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Living itself is a purpose. And it is a great purpose. It is to
> >>>>>>>>>>> worship the God of living.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Well I guess if you're going to anthropomorphize -- excuse me,
> >>>>>>>>>> deus-morphize -- _any_ concept, then yes, any concept is a God of
> >>>>>>>>>> something.  That gets us rather deep into "so what?" territory
> >>>>>>>>>> though.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Well, if we can agree on the fact of life which shows everybody
> >>>>>>>>> including the atheists has a god of their own on a personal level,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> We can't.  You use the words 'god' and 'God' in ways that are so
> >>>>>>>> non-standard that I doubt you make sense to anyone but yourself.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> That only because you have never thought of God/god on a personal
> >>>>>>> level.
> >>>>>>> God is not out there in the sky. God is within you who is the center
> >>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>> your life. You actually live your life for God even when you call
> >>>>>>> yourself an atheist.
> >>>>>> So (according to you) everybody lives their life for God.
> >>>>>>> When you don't live your life for the God within
> >>>>>>> you, you always suffer in life.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ..> > But since (according to you) everybody lives their life for God,
> >>>> nobody
> >>>> ..> > 'always suffers'.
> >>>> ..> > You are just talking rubbish.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ..> No. If we can always live our lives for God, we would never suffer.
> >>>>
> >>
> >>
> >> .> > Try that one out on someone with reflex sympathetic dystrophy
> >> .> > or paroxysmal extreme pain disorder or complex regional pain syndrome.
> >>
> >> .> For people who have to live a difficult life, when they live their life
> >> .> for God, they may still have to endure the physical pain in their body,
> >> .> but they don't have to endure any mental suffering in their mind.
> >

.> > There are few things that cause "suffering in their mind" more than
.> > perpetual severe pain. Why did you say something so incredibly stupid?
 
.> Not really, the suffering in people's mind can only exist when there is 
.> an image of self in their mind which dominates their life. When a person 
.> stops living for that empty image and starts living for the spirit of 
.> God within him/her, suffering in their mind will be taken away by God. 
.> There will be no self pity or the feeling of personal failure and injury 
.> anymore. There will only be a simple acceptance of life and the desire 
.> to make the best of it whenever and however possible.

And the suffering of the body continues.

I would suggest that it would take nothing more elaborate
than a thumbscrew to cause you to reconsider your insouciant
attitude towards physical pain.


Seth

> 
> >
> >
> >> .> There
> >> .> isn't any to begin with. In fact, they may be given the extra strength
> >> .> to help them to endure the extra physical pain so that they can overcome
> >> .> their difficulty. To them, failure will never discourage them, each time
> >> .> they fail, it will only make them coming back to start a more fierce
> >> .> struggle. It's all because they live their lives for God, they have
> >> ,> nothing to worry about.
> >>
> >> Are you speaking from personal experience with extreme
> >> and omnipresent pain?
> >

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#1963709

On 2015-08-18 11:34 PM, nature bats last wrote:
> On Monday, August 17, 2015 at 11:30:15 PM UTC-7, niunian wrote:
>> On 2015-08-18 07:12 AM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
>>> In article <b0ab36ab-3f79-4496-b325-9a9ae530f140@googlegroups.com>,
>>>    nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Monday, August 17, 2015 at 10:49:44 AM UTC-7, niunian wrote:
>>>>> On 2015-08-17 11:56 PM, nature bats last wrote:
>>>>>> On Sunday, August 16, 2015 at 8:11:51 PM UTC-7, niunian wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2015-08-16 11:55 PM, John Ritson wrote:
>>>>>>>> In article <mqpvas$r80$1@dont-email.me>, niunian <niunian@ymail.com>
>>>>>>>> writes
>>>>>>>>> On 2015-08-16 01:33 PM, William December Starr wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In article <mqke7b$vf2$10@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> William December Starr wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Living itself is a purpose. And it is a great purpose. It is to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> worship the God of living.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Well I guess if you're going to anthropomorphize -- excuse me,
>>>>>>>>>>>> deus-morphize -- _any_ concept, then yes, any concept is a God of
>>>>>>>>>>>> something.  That gets us rather deep into "so what?" territory
>>>>>>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Well, if we can agree on the fact of life which shows everybody
>>>>>>>>>>> including the atheists has a god of their own on a personal level,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We can't.  You use the words 'god' and 'God' in ways that are so
>>>>>>>>>> non-standard that I doubt you make sense to anyone but yourself.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That only because you have never thought of God/god on a personal
>>>>>>>>> level.
>>>>>>>>> God is not out there in the sky. God is within you who is the center
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> your life. You actually live your life for God even when you call
>>>>>>>>> yourself an atheist.
>>>>>>>> So (according to you) everybody lives their life for God.
>>>>>>>>> When you don't live your life for the God within
>>>>>>>>> you, you always suffer in life.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ..> > But since (according to you) everybody lives their life for God,
>>>>>> nobody
>>>>>> ..> > 'always suffers'.
>>>>>> ..> > You are just talking rubbish.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ..> No. If we can always live our lives for God, we would never suffer.
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> .> > Try that one out on someone with reflex sympathetic dystrophy
>>>> .> > or paroxysmal extreme pain disorder or complex regional pain syndrome.
>>>>
>>>> .> For people who have to live a difficult life, when they live their life
>>>> .> for God, they may still have to endure the physical pain in their body,
>>>> .> but they don't have to endure any mental suffering in their mind.
>>>
>
> .> > There are few things that cause "suffering in their mind" more than
> .> > perpetual severe pain. Why did you say something so incredibly stupid?
>
> .> Not really, the suffering in people's mind can only exist when there is
> .> an image of self in their mind which dominates their life. When a person
> .> stops living for that empty image and starts living for the spirit of
> .> God within him/her, suffering in their mind will be taken away by God.
> .> There will be no self pity or the feeling of personal failure and injury
> .> anymore. There will only be a simple acceptance of life and the desire
> .> to make the best of it whenever and however possible.
>
> And the suffering of the body continues.
>
> I would suggest that it would take nothing more elaborate
> than a thumbscrew to cause you to reconsider your insouciant
> attitude towards physical pain.

I believe you, but that does not mean I have to add suffering on top of 
the physical pain to make my life miserable. You can make my body 
miserable, but I'm not going to help you to make my life miserable too.

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#1963733

On Tuesday, August 18, 2015 at 5:17:10 PM UTC-7, niunian wrote:
> On 2015-08-18 11:34 PM, nature bats last wrote:
> > On Monday, August 17, 2015 at 11:30:15 PM UTC-7, niunian wrote:
> >> On 2015-08-18 07:12 AM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
> >>> In article <b0ab36ab-3f79-4496-b325-9a9ae530f140@googlegroups.com>,
> >>>    nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Monday, August 17, 2015 at 10:49:44 AM UTC-7, niunian wrote:
> >>>>> On 2015-08-17 11:56 PM, nature bats last wrote:
> >>>>>> On Sunday, August 16, 2015 at 8:11:51 PM UTC-7, niunian wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 2015-08-16 11:55 PM, John Ritson wrote:
> >>>>>>>> In article <mqpvas$r80$1@dont-email.me>, niunian <niunian@ymail.com>
> >>>>>>>> writes
> >>>>>>>>> On 2015-08-16 01:33 PM, William December Starr wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> In article <mqke7b$vf2$10@dont-email.me>,
> >>>>>>>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> William December Starr wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Living itself is a purpose. And it is a great purpose. It is to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> worship the God of living.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Well I guess if you're going to anthropomorphize -- excuse me,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> deus-morphize -- _any_ concept, then yes, any concept is a God of
> >>>>>>>>>>>> something.  That gets us rather deep into "so what?" territory
> >>>>>>>>>>>> though.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Well, if we can agree on the fact of life which shows everybody
> >>>>>>>>>>> including the atheists has a god of their own on a personal level,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> We can't.  You use the words 'god' and 'God' in ways that are so
> >>>>>>>>>> non-standard that I doubt you make sense to anyone but yourself.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> That only because you have never thought of God/god on a personal
> >>>>>>>>> level.
> >>>>>>>>> God is not out there in the sky. God is within you who is the center
> >>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>> your life. You actually live your life for God even when you call
> >>>>>>>>> yourself an atheist.
> >>>>>>>> So (according to you) everybody lives their life for God.
> >>>>>>>>> When you don't live your life for the God within
> >>>>>>>>> you, you always suffer in life.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ..> > But since (according to you) everybody lives their life for God,
> >>>>>> nobody
> >>>>>> ..> > 'always suffers'.
> >>>>>> ..> > You are just talking rubbish.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ..> No. If we can always live our lives for God, we would never suffer.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> .> > Try that one out on someone with reflex sympathetic dystrophy
> >>>> .> > or paroxysmal extreme pain disorder or complex regional pain syndrome.
> >>>>
> >>>> .> For people who have to live a difficult life, when they live their life
> >>>> .> for God, they may still have to endure the physical pain in their body,
> >>>> .> but they don't have to endure any mental suffering in their mind.
> >>>
> >
> > .> > There are few things that cause "suffering in their mind" more than
> > .> > perpetual severe pain. Why did you say something so incredibly stupid?
> >
> > .> Not really, the suffering in people's mind can only exist when there is
> > .> an image of self in their mind which dominates their life. When a person
> > .> stops living for that empty image and starts living for the spirit of
> > .> God within him/her, suffering in their mind will be taken away by God.
> > .> There will be no self pity or the feeling of personal failure and injury
> > .> anymore. There will only be a simple acceptance of life and the desire
> > .> to make the best of it whenever and however possible.
> >
> > And the suffering of the body continues.
>

.>. > I would suggest that it would take nothing more elaborate
.> > than a thumbscrew to cause you to reconsider your insouciant
.> > attitude towards physical pain.
 
.> I believe you, but that does not mean I have to add suffering on top of 
.> the physical pain to make my life miserable. You can make my body 
.> miserable, but I'm not going to help you to make my life miserable too.

I thought you were interested in the truth.  A thumbscrew would 
provide you with a simple, economical, and elegant way for 
you to test for yourself whether your statement is correct.


Seth

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#1964073

On 2015-08-19 09:13 AM, nature bats last wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 18, 2015 at 5:17:10 PM UTC-7, niunian wrote:
>> On 2015-08-18 11:34 PM, nature bats last wrote:
>>> On Monday, August 17, 2015 at 11:30:15 PM UTC-7, niunian wrote:
>>>> On 2015-08-18 07:12 AM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
>>>>> In article <b0ab36ab-3f79-4496-b325-9a9ae530f140@googlegroups.com>,
>>>>>     nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, August 17, 2015 at 10:49:44 AM UTC-7, niunian wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2015-08-17 11:56 PM, nature bats last wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sunday, August 16, 2015 at 8:11:51 PM UTC-7, niunian wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2015-08-16 11:55 PM, John Ritson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In article <mqpvas$r80$1@dont-email.me>, niunian <niunian@ymail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> writes
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2015-08-16 01:33 PM, William December Starr wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <mqke7b$vf2$10@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>>>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> William December Starr wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Living itself is a purpose. And it is a great purpose. It is to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worship the God of living.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well I guess if you're going to anthropomorphize -- excuse me,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deus-morphize -- _any_ concept, then yes, any concept is a God of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something.  That gets us rather deep into "so what?" territory
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, if we can agree on the fact of life which shows everybody
>>>>>>>>>>>>> including the atheists has a god of their own on a personal level,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We can't.  You use the words 'god' and 'God' in ways that are so
>>>>>>>>>>>> non-standard that I doubt you make sense to anyone but yourself.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That only because you have never thought of God/god on a personal
>>>>>>>>>>> level.
>>>>>>>>>>> God is not out there in the sky. God is within you who is the center
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> your life. You actually live your life for God even when you call
>>>>>>>>>>> yourself an atheist.
>>>>>>>>>> So (according to you) everybody lives their life for God.
>>>>>>>>>>> When you don't live your life for the God within
>>>>>>>>>>> you, you always suffer in life.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ..> > But since (according to you) everybody lives their life for God,
>>>>>>>> nobody
>>>>>>>> ..> > 'always suffers'.
>>>>>>>> ..> > You are just talking rubbish.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ..> No. If we can always live our lives for God, we would never suffer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .> > Try that one out on someone with reflex sympathetic dystrophy
>>>>>> .> > or paroxysmal extreme pain disorder or complex regional pain syndrome.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .> For people who have to live a difficult life, when they live their life
>>>>>> .> for God, they may still have to endure the physical pain in their body,
>>>>>> .> but they don't have to endure any mental suffering in their mind.
>>>>>
>>>
>>> .> > There are few things that cause "suffering in their mind" more than
>>> .> > perpetual severe pain. Why did you say something so incredibly stupid?
>>>
>>> .> Not really, the suffering in people's mind can only exist when there is
>>> .> an image of self in their mind which dominates their life. When a person
>>> .> stops living for that empty image and starts living for the spirit of
>>> .> God within him/her, suffering in their mind will be taken away by God.
>>> .> There will be no self pity or the feeling of personal failure and injury
>>> .> anymore. There will only be a simple acceptance of life and the desire
>>> .> to make the best of it whenever and however possible.
>>>
>>> And the suffering of the body continues.
>>
>
> .>. > I would suggest that it would take nothing more elaborate
> .> > than a thumbscrew to cause you to reconsider your insouciant
> .> > attitude towards physical pain.
>
> .> I believe you, but that does not mean I have to add suffering on top of
> .> the physical pain to make my life miserable. You can make my body
> .> miserable, but I'm not going to help you to make my life miserable too.
>
> I thought you were interested in the truth.  A thumbscrew would
> provide you with a simple, economical, and elegant way for
> you to test for yourself whether your statement is correct.

Not really. A thumbscrew would only test my devotion to God to let me 
know exactly how far I can go. Anything other than that is pointless.

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