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Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science.

From	niunian <niunian@ymail.com>
Newsgroups	alt.atheism
Subject	Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science.
Date	2015-08-19 21:11 +0800
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
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On 2015-08-19 09:13 AM, nature bats last wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 18, 2015 at 5:17:10 PM UTC-7, niunian wrote:
>> On 2015-08-18 11:34 PM, nature bats last wrote:
>>> On Monday, August 17, 2015 at 11:30:15 PM UTC-7, niunian wrote:
>>>> On 2015-08-18 07:12 AM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
>>>>> In article <b0ab36ab-3f79-4496-b325-9a9ae530f140@googlegroups.com>,
>>>>>     nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, August 17, 2015 at 10:49:44 AM UTC-7, niunian wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2015-08-17 11:56 PM, nature bats last wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sunday, August 16, 2015 at 8:11:51 PM UTC-7, niunian wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2015-08-16 11:55 PM, John Ritson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In article <mqpvas$r80$1@dont-email.me>, niunian <niunian@ymail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> writes
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2015-08-16 01:33 PM, William December Starr wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <mqke7b$vf2$10@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>>>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> William December Starr wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Living itself is a purpose. And it is a great purpose. It is to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worship the God of living.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well I guess if you're going to anthropomorphize -- excuse me,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deus-morphize -- _any_ concept, then yes, any concept is a God of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something.  That gets us rather deep into "so what?" territory
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, if we can agree on the fact of life which shows everybody
>>>>>>>>>>>>> including the atheists has a god of their own on a personal level,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We can't.  You use the words 'god' and 'God' in ways that are so
>>>>>>>>>>>> non-standard that I doubt you make sense to anyone but yourself.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That only because you have never thought of God/god on a personal
>>>>>>>>>>> level.
>>>>>>>>>>> God is not out there in the sky. God is within you who is the center
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> your life. You actually live your life for God even when you call
>>>>>>>>>>> yourself an atheist.
>>>>>>>>>> So (according to you) everybody lives their life for God.
>>>>>>>>>>> When you don't live your life for the God within
>>>>>>>>>>> you, you always suffer in life.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ..> > But since (according to you) everybody lives their life for God,
>>>>>>>> nobody
>>>>>>>> ..> > 'always suffers'.
>>>>>>>> ..> > You are just talking rubbish.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ..> No. If we can always live our lives for God, we would never suffer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .> > Try that one out on someone with reflex sympathetic dystrophy
>>>>>> .> > or paroxysmal extreme pain disorder or complex regional pain syndrome.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .> For people who have to live a difficult life, when they live their life
>>>>>> .> for God, they may still have to endure the physical pain in their body,
>>>>>> .> but they don't have to endure any mental suffering in their mind.
>>>>>
>>>
>>> .> > There are few things that cause "suffering in their mind" more than
>>> .> > perpetual severe pain. Why did you say something so incredibly stupid?
>>>
>>> .> Not really, the suffering in people's mind can only exist when there is
>>> .> an image of self in their mind which dominates their life. When a person
>>> .> stops living for that empty image and starts living for the spirit of
>>> .> God within him/her, suffering in their mind will be taken away by God.
>>> .> There will be no self pity or the feeling of personal failure and injury
>>> .> anymore. There will only be a simple acceptance of life and the desire
>>> .> to make the best of it whenever and however possible.
>>>
>>> And the suffering of the body continues.
>>
>
> .>. > I would suggest that it would take nothing more elaborate
> .> > than a thumbscrew to cause you to reconsider your insouciant
> .> > attitude towards physical pain.
>
> .> I believe you, but that does not mean I have to add suffering on top of
> .> the physical pain to make my life miserable. You can make my body
> .> miserable, but I'm not going to help you to make my life miserable too.
>
> I thought you were interested in the truth.  A thumbscrew would
> provide you with a simple, economical, and elegant way for
> you to test for yourself whether your statement is correct.

Not really. A thumbscrew would only test my devotion to God to let me 
know exactly how far I can go. Anything other than that is pointless.

Thread

Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-16 01:33 -0400
  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-16 20:24 +0800
    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-16 10:55 -0400
      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 11:01 +0800
    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. John Ritson <j.ritson@hotmail.co.uk> - 2015-08-16 16:55 +0100
      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 11:11 +0800
        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-17 13:39 +0100
          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-17 12:34 -0400
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-18 11:55 +0100
          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-18 01:10 +0800
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-17 14:38 -0400
        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-17 08:56 -0700
          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-18 01:49 +0800
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-17 11:02 -0700
              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-08-17 16:12 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-18 14:11 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 08:34 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 08:04 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 18:13 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 21:11 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-19 12:26 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-20 07:08 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-20 09:31 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-21 09:59 +0100
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-21 21:05 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-21 18:44 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-22 08:50 +0100
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-22 07:03 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-22 16:37 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-19 10:07 +0100
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 21:21 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Dreamer In Colore <dreamerincolore@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-19 16:57 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-20 14:51 +0100
              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-18 14:14 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 08:25 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 08:16 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 18:10 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 21:24 +0800

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