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Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science.

Newsgroups	alt.atheism
Date	2015-08-18 18:13 -0700
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Subject	Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science.
From	nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com>

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On Tuesday, August 18, 2015 at 5:17:10 PM UTC-7, niunian wrote:
> On 2015-08-18 11:34 PM, nature bats last wrote:
> > On Monday, August 17, 2015 at 11:30:15 PM UTC-7, niunian wrote:
> >> On 2015-08-18 07:12 AM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
> >>> In article <b0ab36ab-3f79-4496-b325-9a9ae530f140@googlegroups.com>,
> >>>    nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Monday, August 17, 2015 at 10:49:44 AM UTC-7, niunian wrote:
> >>>>> On 2015-08-17 11:56 PM, nature bats last wrote:
> >>>>>> On Sunday, August 16, 2015 at 8:11:51 PM UTC-7, niunian wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 2015-08-16 11:55 PM, John Ritson wrote:
> >>>>>>>> In article <mqpvas$r80$1@dont-email.me>, niunian <niunian@ymail.com>
> >>>>>>>> writes
> >>>>>>>>> On 2015-08-16 01:33 PM, William December Starr wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> In article <mqke7b$vf2$10@dont-email.me>,
> >>>>>>>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> William December Starr wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Living itself is a purpose. And it is a great purpose. It is to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> worship the God of living.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Well I guess if you're going to anthropomorphize -- excuse me,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> deus-morphize -- _any_ concept, then yes, any concept is a God of
> >>>>>>>>>>>> something.  That gets us rather deep into "so what?" territory
> >>>>>>>>>>>> though.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Well, if we can agree on the fact of life which shows everybody
> >>>>>>>>>>> including the atheists has a god of their own on a personal level,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> We can't.  You use the words 'god' and 'God' in ways that are so
> >>>>>>>>>> non-standard that I doubt you make sense to anyone but yourself.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> That only because you have never thought of God/god on a personal
> >>>>>>>>> level.
> >>>>>>>>> God is not out there in the sky. God is within you who is the center
> >>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>> your life. You actually live your life for God even when you call
> >>>>>>>>> yourself an atheist.
> >>>>>>>> So (according to you) everybody lives their life for God.
> >>>>>>>>> When you don't live your life for the God within
> >>>>>>>>> you, you always suffer in life.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ..> > But since (according to you) everybody lives their life for God,
> >>>>>> nobody
> >>>>>> ..> > 'always suffers'.
> >>>>>> ..> > You are just talking rubbish.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ..> No. If we can always live our lives for God, we would never suffer.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> .> > Try that one out on someone with reflex sympathetic dystrophy
> >>>> .> > or paroxysmal extreme pain disorder or complex regional pain syndrome.
> >>>>
> >>>> .> For people who have to live a difficult life, when they live their life
> >>>> .> for God, they may still have to endure the physical pain in their body,
> >>>> .> but they don't have to endure any mental suffering in their mind.
> >>>
> >
> > .> > There are few things that cause "suffering in their mind" more than
> > .> > perpetual severe pain. Why did you say something so incredibly stupid?
> >
> > .> Not really, the suffering in people's mind can only exist when there is
> > .> an image of self in their mind which dominates their life. When a person
> > .> stops living for that empty image and starts living for the spirit of
> > .> God within him/her, suffering in their mind will be taken away by God.
> > .> There will be no self pity or the feeling of personal failure and injury
> > .> anymore. There will only be a simple acceptance of life and the desire
> > .> to make the best of it whenever and however possible.
> >
> > And the suffering of the body continues.
>

.>. > I would suggest that it would take nothing more elaborate
.> > than a thumbscrew to cause you to reconsider your insouciant
.> > attitude towards physical pain.
 
.> I believe you, but that does not mean I have to add suffering on top of 
.> the physical pain to make my life miserable. You can make my body 
.> miserable, but I'm not going to help you to make my life miserable too.

I thought you were interested in the truth.  A thumbscrew would 
provide you with a simple, economical, and elegant way for 
you to test for yourself whether your statement is correct.


Seth

Thread

Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-14 17:49 +0800
  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-16 01:33 -0400
    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-16 20:24 +0800
      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-16 10:55 -0400
        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 11:01 +0800
      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. John Ritson <j.ritson@hotmail.co.uk> - 2015-08-16 16:55 +0100
        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 11:11 +0800
          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-17 13:39 +0100
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-17 12:34 -0400
              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-18 11:55 +0100
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-18 01:10 +0800
              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-17 14:38 -0400
          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-17 08:56 -0700
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-18 01:49 +0800
              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-17 11:02 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-08-17 16:12 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-18 14:11 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 08:34 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 08:04 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 18:13 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 21:11 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-19 12:26 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-20 07:08 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-20 09:31 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-21 09:59 +0100
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-21 21:05 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-21 18:44 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-22 08:50 +0100
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-22 07:03 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-22 16:37 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-19 10:07 +0100
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 21:21 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Dreamer In Colore <dreamerincolore@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-19 16:57 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-20 14:51 +0100
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-18 14:14 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 08:25 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 08:16 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 18:10 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 21:24 +0800

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