Linux at scale (was: Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday)

From	vallor <vallor@cultnix.org>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Linux at scale (was: Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday)
Date	2024-08-04 12:35 +0000
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On Tue, 30 Jul 2024 22:58:28 -0700, Bobbie Sellers
<blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote in
<v8cjq4$1f67q$1@dont-email.me>:

> On 7/30/24 22:30, candycanearter07 wrote:
>> John McCue <jmccue@hairball.jmcunx.com> wrote at 13:49 this Saturday (GMT):
>>> followups trimmed to comp.os.linux.misc
>>>
>>> In comp.os.linux.misc yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> wrote:
>>>> "26yh.0712" <26yh.0713@e6t5y.net> writes:
>>>>
>>>>>    Ah ... wunnerful Winders  :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>    It should be banned as a socioeconomic WMD ...
>>>>
>>>> Imagine systemd swallowing package management, doing automagic
>>>> security updates and such a "MSLinux" monoculture.
>>>
>>> I can see this happening, I think they just swallowed sudo.
>> 
>> You mean polkit?
> 
> 	No he means "sudo" is going to be replaced with "run0."
> <https://www.howtogeek.com/will-linux-run0-command-run-sudo-out-of-town/>
> 	Not right away but sooner or later unless it causes even
> more problems.  "Sudo" is a bad implementation which replaced "su".
> which invoked superuser privileges.  You had to use  your root
> account password but Ubuntu decided that was dangerous so to invoke
> the same privileges you can use your user accont passwork.
> 	Canonical thought apparently that it was asking too
> much of their projected userbase to remember User account
> password and root password.

Actually, sudo(8) isn't a bad implementation of su(8), it's
just "different".

You can set sudo to use the root password, which is what I do
for my personal systems.  Requiring the user password is default,
and works better for systems with shared administration where
you have to control what the person runs.

For cases where you have multiple (remote) administrators that need
"root" access, that's better handled with ssh keys and
clever key management on the target host.  Another way to
handle it is separate usernames (e.g. "suvallor") that have
their own home directory, but uid/gid 0.

Quite a few of our systems are multi-user.  Even used to have
a customer shell server until demand for that dried up.  Right
now, one system is used by employees who need to run tools that
interface with our back end systems.  Login credentials are handled
with Active Directory, the domain of which is joined with sssd(8).

> 	The system on my computer uses SysV.init and "su".
> 
> bliss- Dell Precision 7730- PCLOS 2024.07- Linux 6.6.42- 5.27.11

Nice!  I've said for a few years now that Linux _is_ ready for
most home users, as well as enterprise desktops.

For example, we use MS Teams at work -- I'm not happy about
it, but I can use it from Linux through the web site.  Same
goes for MS Office.

The problem is you can't take your Linux laptop to (say) Best
Buy and expect them to help with a problem.  The legendary
"year of the Linux desktop" won't happen until there's some
kind of _local_ support network in place.  And a lot of folks
will get help with their Windows systems from a relative, who
is more likely to have Windows experience than Linux chops.

-- 
-v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti
   OS: Linux 6.11.0-rc1 Release: Mint 21.3 Mem: 258G

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Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-31 05:30 +0000
  Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday Bobbie Sellers <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> - 2024-07-30 22:58 -0700
    Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-31 06:23 +0000
      Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-08-04 12:45 +0000
        Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-04 22:25 +0000
    Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-31 09:30 +0100
      Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-31 10:23 +0100
        Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-31 11:17 +0100
          Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-07-31 07:49 -0700
            Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-31 16:34 +0100
              Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2024-07-31 17:45 +0100
                Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-08-01 01:45 +0000
              Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-31 17:55 +0100
                Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-08-01 09:39 +0100
                Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-08-01 10:35 +0100
    Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-07-31 13:41 +0000
      Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-31 17:52 +0100
    Linux at scale (was: Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-08-04 12:35 +0000
      Re: Linux at scale Bobbie Sellers <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> - 2024-08-04 08:42 -0700
        Re: Linux at scale vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-08-04 17:54 +0000
          Re: Linux at scale Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-04 22:30 +0000
            MS Access (was: Re: Linux at scale) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-08-05 02:34 +0000
              Re: MS Access (was: Re: Linux at scale) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-05 02:45 +0000
              Re: MS Access (was: Re: Linux at scale) Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2024-08-04 22:39 -0500
                Re: MS Access (was: Re: Linux at scale) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-05 04:10 +0000
                Re: MS Access (was: Re: Linux at scale) "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-07 02:09 -0400
                Re: MS Access vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-08-07 01:56 +0000
              Re: MS Access (was: Re: Linux at scale) Philip Herlihy <PhillipHerlihy@SlashDevNull.invalid> - 2024-08-05 13:38 +0100
                Re: MS Access (was: Re: Linux at scale) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-06 00:25 +0000
                Re: MS Access "...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2024-08-06 02:56 -0400
                Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-06 23:37 +0000
                Re: MS Access Philip Herlihy <PhillipHerlihy@SlashDevNull.invalid> - 2024-08-07 12:38 +0100
                Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-07 21:43 +0000
                Re: MS Access Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-08-08 07:50 +0000
                Re: MS Access Big Al <alan@invalid.com> - 2024-08-08 10:43 -0400
                Re: MS Access Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-08-08 19:42 +0000
                Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-09 01:16 +0000
                Re: MS Access rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-08-08 17:42 +0000
                Re: MS Access "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-12 01:06 -0400
                Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-12 08:38 +0000
                Re: MS Access "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-13 01:51 -0400
                Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-13 21:49 +0000
                Re: MS Access Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-08-14 02:48 +0000
                Re: MS Access Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-08-14 02:50 +0000
                Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-14 03:36 +0000
                Re: MS Access "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-14 03:52 -0400
                Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-14 08:49 +0000
                Re: MS Access "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-14 03:50 -0400
                Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-14 08:51 +0000
                Re: MS Access Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-08-14 16:52 +0000
                Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-14 21:37 +0000
                Re: MS Access sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2024-08-14 18:22 -0500
                Re: MS Access Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-08-15 00:30 +0000
                Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-16 02:22 +0000
                Re: MS Access "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-17 00:14 -0400
                Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-17 07:25 +0000
                Re: MS Access Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-08-17 23:44 -0700
                Re: MS Access Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-08-18 05:28 -0400
                Re: MS Access Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2024-08-18 11:49 +0200
                Re: MS Access rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-08-18 19:36 +0000
                Re: MS Access Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-08-18 20:42 -0400
                Re: MS Access rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-08-19 20:44 +0000
                Re: MS Access p.dean@gmx.com (Peter Dean) - 2024-08-19 05:37 +0000
                Re: MS Access Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-08-19 03:18 -0400
                Re: MS Access rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-08-19 20:51 +0000
                Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-21 23:55 +0000
                Re: MS Access Jack Strangio  <jackstrangio@yahoo.com> - 2024-08-18 08:43 +0000
                Re: MS Access Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-08-18 13:55 -0400
                Re: MS Access vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-08-15 04:24 +0000
                Re: MS Access Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-08-15 14:53 -0400
                Re: MS Access "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-17 00:22 -0400
                Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-17 07:24 +0000
                Re: MS Access Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-08-17 23:46 -0700
                Re: MS Access The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-08-18 10:14 +0100
                Re: MS Access "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-19 23:55 -0400
                Re: MS Access rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-08-20 04:56 +0000
                Re: MS Access "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-19 23:23 -0400
                Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-21 23:52 +0000
                Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-09 01:15 +0000
                Re: MS Access Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-08-09 06:29 +0000
                Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-09 06:32 +0000
                Re: MS Access Philip Herlihy <PhillipHerlihy@SlashDevNull.invalid> - 2024-08-08 12:19 +0100
                Re: MS Access Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-08-08 13:21 +0100
                Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-09 01:15 +0000
                Re: MS Access Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-08-09 08:51 +0100
              Re: MS Access Big Al <alan@invalid.com> - 2024-08-05 09:03 -0400
              Re: MS Access (was: Re: Linux at scale) Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2024-08-05 12:05 -0700
                Re: MS Access "...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2024-08-05 19:32 -0400
              Re: MS Access not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-08-06 08:47 +1000
                Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-06 00:26 +0000
                Re: MS Access vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-08-07 02:16 +0000
                Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-07 02:29 +0000
                Re: MS Access "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-07 02:02 -0400
                Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-07 06:45 +0000
                Re: MS Access Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-08-07 22:30 +0000
                Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-07 22:44 +0000
                Re: MS Access "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-07 21:44 -0400
                Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-08 03:11 +0000
                Re: MS Access "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-12 00:28 -0400
                Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-12 08:38 +0000
                Re: MS Access Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-08-12 14:16 -0400
                Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-13 02:10 +0000
                Re: MS Access Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-08-13 12:53 -0400
                Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-13 21:43 +0000
                Re: MS Access "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-13 01:33 -0400
                Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-13 21:44 +0000
                Re: MS Access jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2024-08-13 23:21 +0100
                Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-13 22:53 +0000
                Re: MS Access jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2024-08-14 09:19 +0100
                Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-14 08:47 +0000
                Re: MS Access The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-08-14 10:09 +0100
                Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-16 02:20 +0000
                Re: MS Access Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2024-08-16 09:11 +0100
                Re: MS Access The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-08-16 09:21 +0100
                Re: MS Access Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-08-13 23:28 -0400
                Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-14 03:29 +0000
                Re: MS Access Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-08-14 04:13 -0400
                Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-14 08:48 +0000
                Re: MS Access Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-08-14 12:49 -0400
                Re: MS Access Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-08-14 16:55 +0000
                Re: MS Access candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-08-11 05:30 +0000
                Re: MS Access Jack Strangio  <jackstrangio@yahoo.com> - 2024-08-11 07:17 +0000
                Re: MS Access candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-08-22 21:00 +0000
                Re: MS Access Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-08-11 04:15 -0400
                Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-11 09:07 +0000
                Re: MS Access candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-08-23 22:00 +0000
                Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-11 09:06 +0000
                Re: MS Access "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-07 21:39 -0400
                Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-08 03:12 +0000
                Re: MS Access "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-12 00:23 -0400
                Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-12 08:39 +0000
                Re: MS Access Just Me <meeeeee@meeeee.com> - 2024-08-07 12:59 +0000
                Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-07 21:42 +0000
                Re: MS Access "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-07 21:53 -0400
                Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-08 03:13 +0000
                Re: MS Access "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-12 00:33 -0400
                Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-12 08:41 +0000
                Re: MS Access "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-13 01:31 -0400
                Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-13 21:46 +0000
                Re: MS Access "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-14 03:42 -0400
                Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-14 08:49 +0000
                Re: MS Access "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-17 23:30 -0400
                Re: MS Access rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-08-18 04:48 +0000
                Re: MS Access "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-18 01:17 -0400
  Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-06 02:01 -0400

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