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Re: OT: Wind energy sucks big time

From "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.misc
Subject Re: OT: Wind energy sucks big time
Date 2026-03-26 14:36 +0100
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On 2026-03-26 14:00, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 26/03/2026 12:54, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> But Spain’s disproportionately sunny skies and strong winds result in 
>> consistent renewable generation: Gas is only needed to cover demand 
>> during 15 percent of an average day in Spain, compared to nearly 90 
>> percent in Italy.
> 
> Actually its your hydro that means you don't have to run much gas.
> And access to French nuclear power

Actually, we are often sending electricity up north, but the pipe is too small to be significant. France blocks building a real pipe, they do not want the competition.

No, we are saving the water for the next drought.


+++---------------------------
🇪🇸 Spain electricity generation mix (≈2024–2025)


| Source                           | Share of electricity |
| -------------------------------- | -------------------- |
| Wind                             | ~22–23%              |
| Solar (PV + thermal)             | ~20–22%              |
| Nuclear                          | ~19–21%              |
| Hydropower                       | ~13–15%              |
| Natural gas (combined cycle)     | ~12–15%              |
| Other renewables (biomass, etc.) | ~2–3%                |
| Coal + oil                       | ~1–2%                |



🔹 January 2026 (best complete breakdown so far)

Based on data from the grid operator (REE):


| Source                       | Share of electricity (Jan 2026) |
| ---------------------------- | ------------------------------- |
| Wind                         | ~30–32%                         |
| Solar (PV + thermal)         | ~18–20%                         |
| Nuclear                      | ~18–20%                         |
| Natural gas (combined cycle) | ~15–17%                         |
| Hydropower                   | ~10–12%                         |
| Cogeneration & others        | ~5–6%                           |
| Coal                         | ~0–1%                           |
---------------------------++-


So no, water is not the big one. Wind is.


For the interconnection with France:

+++---------------------------
The interconnection between Spain and France is relatively small but very active, and flows both ways depending on the hour, season, and prices.

📊 Actual flows (latest solid full-year data: 2025)

| Flow                           | Energy (TWh)                                |
| ------------------------------ | ------------------------------------------- |
| Spain → France (exports north) | **6.81 TWh**                                |
| France → Spain (imports south) | **5.84 TWh**                                |
| **Net balance**                | **+0.97 TWh (Spain exports slightly more)** |

2. Typical daily pattern (simplified)
☀️ Midday (solar peak) → Spain → France
🌙 Night / low wind → France → Spain

This is why both directions are significant.
---------------------------++-


So no, French nucs are not doing it either.


+++---------------------------
⚡ Physical limits (important)

The interconnection is actually quite constrained:

Current capacity: ~2.8 GW

Future (Bay of Biscay project): up to ~5 GW by ~2028

And from auction data for 2026:

~819 MW France → Spain
~680 MW Spain → France (typical allocated capacity)
👉 This is small compared to Spain’s total demand (~30–40 GW), which is why Iberia is often called an “energy island.”
---------------------------++-


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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