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Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?

From D <nospam@example.net>
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Subject Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?
Date 2024-12-17 10:34 +0100
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On Mon, 16 Dec 2024, Lars Poulsen wrote:

> On Sun, 15 Dec 2024 23:09:13 +0100, D wrote:
> D> Ahh... the land of the free! Try 31% in sweden or around 20% where I am
> D> now. Oh, and the 31% has a cap, so you only get part of that to fund
> D> your own retirement. The rest goes to happy arabians!
>
> On Mon, 16 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:
> rb> There is a yearly maximum for the SS tax, which gets raised frequently. It
> rb> was nice to max out and have a few weeks without the deduction at the end
> rb> of the year. The current cap is $168,600 so I would guess the majority of
> rb> the workers don't see those bonus weeks anymore.
>
> On 2024-12-16, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>> Jesus! I thought it was only in sweden. Well, as you say it's 168k, so I
>> imagine that the majority of people in the US never hit the cap.
>
> rb> Of course your benefits are taxed. Some states don't tax SS benefits but
> rb> this one does so both the Feds and the state have their hands out. Then if
> rb> you have an IRA or other retirement account there is a required minimum
> rb> distribution yearly which is taxed when you hit 73.
>
>> Of course it is taxed! ;) And your private retirement savings are taxed as
>> well, so a nice double tax. First the salary, and then you save it, and it
>> is of course taxed again at withdrawal.
>
> The salary that goes into the retirement account is NOT taxed (the
> contribution is tax deductible in the year it is earned) but when you
> take money out later,  the withdrawals are taxable income. Not so
> unfair.
>
>> If you're content to wait until you are at least 55 to withdraw money, you
>> can start a retirement foundation. The gross assets are taxed with a flat
>> tax of 0.3% or so every year, regardless of if the assets shrink or grow.
>> And in return you can withdraw your retirement savings for free. This is
>> not very well known, and I have never heard of a company that offers this.
>
> So an after-tax savings account. How is this different from an ordinary
> savings account ... I guess the difference is that the interest is
> tax-free? Sweden special!

The difference is that in an ordinary savings account, you put in taxed 
money. In this type of account, your company can put in gross earnings, 
have the capital gains being taxed at only 0.3% (ish) flat fee per year, 
and then when you, the employee, withdraw it, it's taxed as retirement 
income.

If you put in your taxed savings into a "kapitalförsäkring" you can 
withdraw the money tax free, but the flat tax is higher, it's currently 
0,888% for 2025.

How did you do the rb/D quoting? Do you have a script for that? It was 
very beautiful.

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Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-10 16:11 +0000
  Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ? D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-10 21:19 +0100
    Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ? "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-12 03:42 -0500
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        Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-12 11:19 +0000
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            Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-12 20:44 +0000
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                Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-12-13 23:17 +0000
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                Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-14 20:01 +0000
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                Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-15 02:18 +0000
                Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ? D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-15 11:44 +0100
                The Joy of *small* business Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2024-12-14 21:26 +0000
                Re: The Joy of *small* business D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-14 23:31 +0100
                Re: The Joy of *small* business Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2024-12-15 14:08 +0000
                Re: The Joy of *small* business Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2024-12-15 14:15 +0000
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                Re: The Joy of *small* business "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-16 00:04 -0500
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                Re: The Joy of *small* business rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-16 21:18 +0000
                Re: The Joy of *small* business "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-16 21:14 -0500
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                Re: The Joy of *small* business The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-17 10:28 +0000
                Re: The Joy of *small* business rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-17 21:41 +0000
                Re: The Joy of *small* business "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-18 00:05 -0500
                Re: The Joy of *small* business rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-18 07:09 +0000
                Re: The Joy of *small* business The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-18 10:01 +0000
                Re: The Joy of *small* business rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-18 19:11 +0000
                Re: The Joy of *small* business The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-18 20:15 +0000
                Re: The Joy of *small* business "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-18 23:02 -0500
                Re: The Joy of *small* business rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-19 05:09 +0000
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                Re: The Joy of *small* business The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-19 10:08 +0000
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                Re: The Joy of *small* business "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-18 22:32 -0500
                Re: The Joy of *small* business rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-19 05:06 +0000
                Re: The Joy of *small* business The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-19 10:01 +0000
                Re: The Joy of *small* business rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-19 19:43 +0000
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                Re: The Joy of *small* business rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-19 05:14 +0000
                Re: The Joy of *small* business The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-19 09:59 +0000
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                Re: The Joy of *small* business The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-19 09:50 +0000
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                Re: The Joy of *small* business The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-20 11:45 +0000
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                Re: The Joy of *small* business rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-21 21:45 +0000
                Re: The Joy of *small* business The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-22 09:40 +0000
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                Re: The Joy of *small* business "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-21 22:04 -0500
                Re: The Joy of *small* business rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-22 05:46 +0000
                Re: The Joy of *small* business "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-22 02:12 -0500
                Re: The Joy of *small* business rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-22 09:31 +0000
                Re: The Joy of *small* business The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-22 09:53 +0000
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                Re: The Joy of *small* business The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-23 09:10 +0000
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