Re: The Joy of small business

From	The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: The Joy of small business
Date	2024-12-22 15:22 +0000
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On 22/12/2024 11:28, D wrote:
>> The only difference is the latter big bang has a sentient intelligence 
>> with a Plan in charge.
>>
>> Really we only reject it on the slender basis of Occam - it's simply 
>> more complicated than necessary to explain this shit.
> 
> I'd add to that that one is a process and open to change (which has 
> happened and does happen occasionally) and the other a religion.
> 
I wasn't talking about the *practice* of science, or of religion for 
that matter. I was talking about their metaphysical *beliefs*.

> I have mixed feelings about Occam, since Occam tends to shut down waaaay 
> too many discussions waaay too quickly. Who is to say what is, in 
> reality "simpler" or less complex, if the understanding of the questions 
> is lacking?

Precisely, In many ways the God explanation is simpler :

"God did it all,  and faked it so it looks like he was never there at 
all, to test you fuckers"

...there are only three people who understand quantum physics and two of 
them are liars....

But if you examine Occam from outside the confines of realism and 
materialism, he makes perfect sense.

1. The problem of induction means that no inference  can ever be proved 
to be correct.
2. So given that its all bullshit anyway, why not pick the simplest 
bullshit that fits the facts?
3.  ...And fits within the accepted already established bullshit, that 
works...

That is today's problem., People are absolutely reluctant to abandon the 
established bullshit, that works.

Even when they know it is actually wrong.

The Kuhnian paradigm shift  is staring them in the face, but they simply 
cant accept it.

-- 
"Anyone who believes that the laws of physics are mere social 
conventions is invited to try transgressing those conventions from the 
windows of my apartment. (I live on the twenty-first floor.) "

Alan Sokal

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