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| From | D <nospam@example.net> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.os.linux.misc |
| Subject | Re: The Joy of *small* business |
| Date | 2024-12-23 12:59 +0100 |
| Organization | i2pn2 (i2pn.org) |
| Message-ID | <c8d14250-9771-8055-ced5-ae9390fcc5c7@example.net> (permalink) |
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On Mon, 23 Dec 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 22/12/2024 21:54, D wrote: >> >> >> On Sun, 22 Dec 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> >>> On 22/12/2024 11:28, D wrote: >>>>> The only difference is the latter big bang has a sentient intelligence >>>>> with a Plan in charge. >>>>> >>>>> Really we only reject it on the slender basis of Occam - it's simply >>>>> more complicated than necessary to explain this shit. >>>> >>>> I'd add to that that one is a process and open to change (which has >>>> happened and does happen occasionally) and the other a religion. >>>> >>> I wasn't talking about the *practice* of science, or of religion for that >>> matter. I was talking about their metaphysical *beliefs*. >> >> Ahh... our definitions differ when it comes to science. I was tricked! But >> I will drop this line as I think it leads us back to old threads. ;) >> >>>> I have mixed feelings about Occam, since Occam tends to shut down waaaay >>>> too many discussions waaay too quickly. Who is to say what is, in reality >>>> "simpler" or less complex, if the understanding of the questions is >>>> lacking? >>> >>> Precisely, In many ways the God explanation is simpler : >>> >>> "God did it all, and faked it so it looks like he was never there at all, >>> to test you fuckers" >>> >>> ...there are only three people who understand quantum physics and two of >>> them are liars.... >> >> This is the truth and exactly one of the things I do not like with Occam. >> If you're on team God (TM) that's the easiest explanation, if you're on >> team Science (C), that's nonsense, and your version is the simplest. >> >> There's no way to decide from a neutral point, if you are dealing with >> religious people regardless of if they are from the religion religion, or >> the religion science (which has very little to do with the science as a >> process). >> >>> But if you examine Occam from outside the confines of realism and >>> materialism, he makes perfect sense. >>> >>> 1. The problem of induction means that no inference can ever be proved to >>> be correct. >>> 2. So given that its all bullshit anyway, why not pick the simplest >>> bullshit that fits the facts? >>> 3. ...And fits within the accepted already established bullshit, that >>> works... >> >> Ah, but the problem of induction is a chimera, an illusion. Popper argued >> that justification is not needed at all, and seeking justification "begs >> for an authoritarian answer". >> >> The only thing we need to worry about is if it works, and that's it. >> > Yes, but Realist/materialists reject stuff that works on the basis that its > 'not real'... Then they are clearly religious and not philosophers. I have no beef with the claim that religion or prayer "works". My explanation is psychological and not spiritual, and that is where my beef starts. I would think that this is obvious for even the most battle hardened materialist. >>> That is today's problem., People are absolutely reluctant to abandon the >>> established bullshit, that works. >> >> This is not a problem, this is the way. If it works, is in fact the only >> way. If that is abandoned, everything else is meaningless. That is the >> strength of materialism and a common, shared external world, and one of the >> best arguments for it. > > It is an argument for a shared external world, but not for its materiality Hmm, I find it interesting how sometimes I agree with you and sometimes I don't. This makes me suspect that it is a matter of definition and perhaps not so much about actual content of our thoughts differing. >> >> We've been down this path many times before I think. >> >>> Even when they know it is actually wrong. >>> >>> The Kuhnian paradigm shift is staring them in the face, but they simply >>> cant accept it. >>> >>> >>> >>> > >
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Re: The Joy of *small* business rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-22 20:54 +0000
Re: The Joy of *small* business "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-22 23:42 -0500
Re: The Joy of *small* business The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-23 09:05 +0000
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