Re: energy and mass

From	The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity, sci.electronics.design, sci.math
Subject	Re: energy and mass
Date	2026-03-18 00:27 -0700
Organization	The Starmaker Organization
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Bill Sloman wrote:
> 
> On 18/03/2026 4:34 am, The Starmaker wrote:
> > Bill Sloman wrote:
> >>
> >> On 17/03/2026 7:14 pm, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>> Bill Sloman wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On 17/03/2026 2:55 am, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>> Bill Sloman wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 16/03/2026 3:42 pm, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>>>> Bill Sloman wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 13/03/2026 8:24 pm, Thomas Heger wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Am Donnerstag000012, 12.03.2026 um 12:29 schrieb Bill Sloman:
> >>>>>>>>> ...
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> True.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and isn't worth the effort until you have lots of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> observations to make sense of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nonsense. Your naive positivism is playing up again.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best counterexample: general relativity.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It wasn't based on any observation.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sure, it was based on some madness of an
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> insane crazy instead.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Einstein was about as sane as anybody could be.
> >>>>>>>>>>> ...
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I personally think, that Einstein was what I would call a
> >>>>>>>>>>> 'disinformation agent'.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> You are free to think that. I wouldn't go around telling other people
> >>>>>>>>>> that you think that - it would suggest that you had a rather poor
> >>>>>>>>>> grasp of reality
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Most likely he wasn't even a Jew and a Swiss from birth.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Lots of people were happy to claim him as being Jewish after he got
> >>>>>>>>>> famous.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> If Einstein wasn't actually a Jew, this would be a possible explanation
> >>>>>>>>> for why he rejected the presidency of Israel, which was offered to him.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Would have been quite dangerous, if he had actually accepted and would
> >>>>>>>>> been asked to prove his jewishness.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> A much more likely explanation is that he didn't fancy becoming some
> >>>>>>>> kind of figurehead to be rolled out on ceremonial occasions.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> It would have distracted him from the scientific work that he kept on
> >>>>>>>> doing all his life.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Oh Yes, the  scientific work that he kept on
> >>>>>>> doing all his life was figuring out how to teleport a Navy war ship from
> >>>>>>> one city to another city...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Einstein was working on...Quantum Teleportation. Called "The Einstein's
> >>>>>>> Continuum of Spatio-Temporal"
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "The Einstein's continuum of spatio-temporal which enabled idea of
> >>>>>>> quantum teleportation, which represents technique of dematerialization
> >>>>>>> of the matter, in one location and 'faxing', namely, electronic
> >>>>>>> transmission to quantum state on the other
> >>>>>>> location, in order to be materialized there."
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> (dematerialization in one location, and materialized on the other
> >>>>>>> location).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Larry Niven described it better - as a science fiction author he had to.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Attributing it to Einstein seems to be pure invention. It didn't show up
> >>>>>> in 1950's science fiction, and Einstein died in 1955.
> >>>>>>> Put simply, it would get you from here to there...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You. or something that might look very like you. Transforming some 70kgm
> >>>>>> of matter into energy and transforming it back to matter implies
> >>>>>> transmitting great deal of energy. A hydrogen bomb transforms 0.7kgm of
> >>>>>> mass into energy. Transforming the energy into exactly the right sort of
> >>>>>> matter to exactly duplicate you might be tricky
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "exactly duplicate", or making a copy is not how it works.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It is simply a 'cut and paste'.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You cut it from and paste it there.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Like on a computer..
> >>>>> you just highlight the whole folder with a blue light, then you,
> >>>>> you...cut-and-paste it
> >>>>> to your other hard drive and it reappears there!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Not copy and paste, cut and paste.
> >>>>
> >>>> A distinction without meaning. "Cut and paste" is just "copy and paste"
> >>>> followed by "delete the original". Somebody with a very tight memory
> >>>> budget might cut, paste and delete in very small chunks.
> >>>>
> >>>>> You scan each atom
> >>>>> delete it. and paste it there.
> >>>>
> >>>> Which would mean that there would be a point where you'd have half a
> >>>> person at each end of the link, both dead, unless you could complete the
> >>>> process in less than a millisecond.
> >>>>
> >>>>> spooky at a distance.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Why do you think Einstein didn't finish it?
> >>>>
> >>>> Have you any evidence to suggest that Einstein even started on it?
> >>>
> >>> Yes, you gave us the evidence.
> >>>
> >>> You wrote: "It would have distracted him from the scientific work that
> >>> he kept on doing all his life."
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> You were referring to his Grand Unified Theory he was working on all his
> >>> life.
> >>>
> >>> What do you think  the Grand Unified Theory 'is'?
> >>
> >> It includes gravity as well as electromagnetism and the weak and strong
> >> nuclear forces.
> >>
> >>> In 'science jargon' it's: 'When a mass moves, the force acting on other
> >>> masses had been considered to adjust instantaneously to the new location
> >>> of the displaced mass.'
> >>>
> >>> In other words... make a ship invisible and transport it to another
> >>> place.
> >>
> >> No.
> >>
> >>> You scan the atom (all the atoms) of the ship, delete it, and paste it
> >>> another place.
> >>
> >> Lovely if you could do it, but you probably need to invent a new
> >> universe with new and different physical laws to make it possible
> >>
> >>> "The Office of Naval Research (ONR) has stated that the use of force
> >>> fields to make a ship and her crew invisible does not conform to known
> >>> physical laws.
> >>> ONR also claims that Dr. Albert Einstein's Unified Field Theory was
> >>> never completed.
> >>> During 1943-1944, Einstein was a part-time consultant with the Navy's
> >>> Bureau of Ordnance, undertaking theoretical research on explosives and
> >>> explosions. "
> >>
> >> The Bureau of Ordance wanted a celebrity name to play with.
> >>
> >>> I think I have around somewhere a blackboard with all the math on it
> >>> 'about getting from here to there' teleportation...celestial mechanics.
> >>>
> >>> https://x.com/Starmaker111/status/2033817198998000030/photo/1
> >>>
> >>> but it is not finished...
> >>
> >> Like a lot of other research projects. Mostly when you dig deep enough,
> >> you find out that an idea is never going to work. If your success rate
> >> is better than 30% you are going to get scooped by other researchers
> >> uncomfortably often.
> >>
> >> Good ideas have a nasty habit of striking different people in different
> >> places at much the same time. A friend ended up making $A12 million out
> >> of an idea he patented. Tektronix had applied for a provisional patent
> >> six weeks earlier, but abandoned it without spending the much larger
> >> sums that would have been required to register an actual patent.
> >
> > It's also not science fiction as you claim to be...\\
> 
> It certainly is science fiction, which doesn't stop people having
> half-baked ideas about using it in real life.
> 
> > Using refined tools and long series of experiments, Anton Zeilinger started to use entangled quantum states.
> > Among other things, his research group has demonstrated a phenomenon called quantum teleportation, which makes it possible to move a quantum state from one particle to one at a distance.
> >
> > https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=4ae20d8bd47daad1&hl=en&gbv=2&sxsrf=ANbL-n4iBGManDUb2_O74J964ltj7MZlqg%3A1773767645872&q=nobel+prize+quantum+teleportati
> 
> A quantum state doesn't have any mass.
> 
> > The 2022 Nobel Prize in Physics was awarded to Alain Aspect, John F. Clauser, and Anton Zeilinger
> > for their pioneering work on quantum entanglement, which laid the foundation for the field of quantum information science, including quantum teleportation.
> >
> > https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/physics/2022/press-release/#:~:text=Using%20refined%20tools%20and%20long,the%20Nobel%20Committee%20for%20Physics.
> >
> > and that 'blackboard' is Albert Einstein's promotion for...teleportation.
> >
> > https://x.com/Starmaker111/status/2033817198998000030/photo/1 >
> > 'beam me up, Scotty.'
> 
> Since Scotty was always pixels on a screen, \it an illusion.
> 
> > I notice you have a Scottish accent...
> 
> Via my wife I hung out with quite a few dialect experts. My accent is
> educated Australian, slightly soften by 22 years living in England. One
> work colleague - with whom I'm still in contact - is Scottish, but I
> don't seem to have picked up his accent.
> 
> > are you slow?
> 
> My surname is a west country surname - there are more pages of Slomans
> in the Taunton telephone directory than in the London telephone
> directory - and it is a contraction of Sloughman, who was some who
> farmed bottom land close to a river.
> 
> I'm not slow - both my parents had university degrees and I got a Ph.D.
> All my nieces and nephews have been to university and graduated - one
> now works for Google. My father's sister married a very clever vet, who
> ended up with a D.Sc, and both their kids were professors at Adelaide
> University for a bit. It isn't a high prestige school and both moved on
> to better jobs. That is the clever branch of the family. My father's 25
> patents - I've only got three - instills a certain measure of humility.
> 
> --
> Bill Sloman, Sydney

Now I understand why teachers blow up in rocketships...the engineers
don't understand physics.



-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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