Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!nntp.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: The Starmaker Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity,sci.electronics.design,sci.math Subject: Re: energy and mass Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2026 00:27:40 -0700 Organization: The Starmaker Organization Lines: 231 Message-ID: <69BA53EC.676@ix.netcom.com> References: <10nomum$1co15$1@dont-email.me> <10oig5k$1vnu9$1@dont-email.me> <10ok20b$2ecdb$2@dont-email.me> <9BidnZpssdVDCDD0nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com> <10ol95q$2tjpk$1@dont-email.me> <10omgpr$39lir$3@dont-email.me> <10oo2fm$3tgh1$3@dont-email.me> <1rrr1y3.137tengtz8bx3N%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> <189b9cf75a84a510$418871$3719901$c2565adb@news.newsdemon.com> <10oqtn6$qhf1$4@dont-email.me> <10ou83q$1s15s$5@dont-email.me> <10p1eqh$3a2h8$7@dont-email.me> <69B78A20.2240@ix.netcom.com> <10p8n92$1tf8d$1@dont-email.me> <69B827FA.667C@ix.netcom.com> <10pauhm$2ldum$4@dont-email.me> <69B90D4A.CB1@ix.netcom.com> <10pbkvs$2u86c$2@dont-email.me> <69B990A7.1129@ix.netcom.com> <10pdas8$3h168$3@dont-email.me> Reply-To: starmaker@ix.netcom.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2026 07:27:13 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="dbc1093a9fe697e51dd2091650558c7c"; logging-data="3807181"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18YuXX+ZtabTtkEdYKZZpkFB0bwTmhCh7g=" Cancel-Lock: sha1:UT0zdspGJrSV0Q4VLVPa5UKI9+s= X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 260317-0, 03/16/2026), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Xref: csiph.com sci.physics.relativity:670069 sci.electronics.design:741807 sci.math:644139 Bill Sloman wrote: > > On 18/03/2026 4:34 am, The Starmaker wrote: > > Bill Sloman wrote: > >> > >> On 17/03/2026 7:14 pm, The Starmaker wrote: > >>> Bill Sloman wrote: > >>>> > >>>> On 17/03/2026 2:55 am, The Starmaker wrote: > >>>>> Bill Sloman wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 16/03/2026 3:42 pm, The Starmaker wrote: > >>>>>>> Bill Sloman wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On 13/03/2026 8:24 pm, Thomas Heger wrote: > >>>>>>>>> Am Donnerstag000012, 12.03.2026 um 12:29 schrieb Bill Sloman: > >>>>>>>>> ... > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> True. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and isn't worth the effort until you have lots of > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> observations to make sense of > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nonsense. Your naive positivism is playing up again. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best counterexample: general relativity. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It wasn't based on any observation. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sure, it was based on some madness of an > >>>>>>>>>>>>> insane crazy instead. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Einstein was about as sane as anybody could be. > >>>>>>>>>>> ... > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> I personally think, that Einstein was what I would call a > >>>>>>>>>>> 'disinformation agent'. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> You are free to think that. I wouldn't go around telling other people > >>>>>>>>>> that you think that - it would suggest that you had a rather poor > >>>>>>>>>> grasp of reality > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Most likely he wasn't even a Jew and a Swiss from birth. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Lots of people were happy to claim him as being Jewish after he got > >>>>>>>>>> famous. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> If Einstein wasn't actually a Jew, this would be a possible explanation > >>>>>>>>> for why he rejected the presidency of Israel, which was offered to him. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Would have been quite dangerous, if he had actually accepted and would > >>>>>>>>> been asked to prove his jewishness. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> A much more likely explanation is that he didn't fancy becoming some > >>>>>>>> kind of figurehead to be rolled out on ceremonial occasions. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> It would have distracted him from the scientific work that he kept on > >>>>>>>> doing all his life. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Oh Yes, the scientific work that he kept on > >>>>>>> doing all his life was figuring out how to teleport a Navy war ship from > >>>>>>> one city to another city... > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Einstein was working on...Quantum Teleportation. Called "The Einstein's > >>>>>>> Continuum of Spatio-Temporal" > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> "The Einstein's continuum of spatio-temporal which enabled idea of > >>>>>>> quantum teleportation, which represents technique of dematerialization > >>>>>>> of the matter, in one location and 'faxing', namely, electronic > >>>>>>> transmission to quantum state on the other > >>>>>>> location, in order to be materialized there." > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> (dematerialization in one location, and materialized on the other > >>>>>>> location). > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Larry Niven described it better - as a science fiction author he had to. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Attributing it to Einstein seems to be pure invention. It didn't show up > >>>>>> in 1950's science fiction, and Einstein died in 1955. > >>>>>>> Put simply, it would get you from here to there... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> You. or something that might look very like you. Transforming some 70kgm > >>>>>> of matter into energy and transforming it back to matter implies > >>>>>> transmitting great deal of energy. A hydrogen bomb transforms 0.7kgm of > >>>>>> mass into energy. Transforming the energy into exactly the right sort of > >>>>>> matter to exactly duplicate you might be tricky > >>>>> > >>>>> "exactly duplicate", or making a copy is not how it works. > >>>>> > >>>>> It is simply a 'cut and paste'. > >>>>> > >>>>> You cut it from and paste it there. > >>>>> > >>>>> Like on a computer.. > >>>>> you just highlight the whole folder with a blue light, then you, > >>>>> you...cut-and-paste it > >>>>> to your other hard drive and it reappears there! > >>>>> > >>>>> Not copy and paste, cut and paste. > >>>> > >>>> A distinction without meaning. "Cut and paste" is just "copy and paste" > >>>> followed by "delete the original". Somebody with a very tight memory > >>>> budget might cut, paste and delete in very small chunks. > >>>> > >>>>> You scan each atom > >>>>> delete it. and paste it there. > >>>> > >>>> Which would mean that there would be a point where you'd have half a > >>>> person at each end of the link, both dead, unless you could complete the > >>>> process in less than a millisecond. > >>>> > >>>>> spooky at a distance. > >>>>> > >>>>> Why do you think Einstein didn't finish it? > >>>> > >>>> Have you any evidence to suggest that Einstein even started on it? > >>> > >>> Yes, you gave us the evidence. > >>> > >>> You wrote: "It would have distracted him from the scientific work that > >>> he kept on doing all his life." > >>> > >>> > >>> You were referring to his Grand Unified Theory he was working on all his > >>> life. > >>> > >>> What do you think the Grand Unified Theory 'is'? > >> > >> It includes gravity as well as electromagnetism and the weak and strong > >> nuclear forces. > >> > >>> In 'science jargon' it's: 'When a mass moves, the force acting on other > >>> masses had been considered to adjust instantaneously to the new location > >>> of the displaced mass.' > >>> > >>> In other words... make a ship invisible and transport it to another > >>> place. > >> > >> No. > >> > >>> You scan the atom (all the atoms) of the ship, delete it, and paste it > >>> another place. > >> > >> Lovely if you could do it, but you probably need to invent a new > >> universe with new and different physical laws to make it possible > >> > >>> "The Office of Naval Research (ONR) has stated that the use of force > >>> fields to make a ship and her crew invisible does not conform to known > >>> physical laws. > >>> ONR also claims that Dr. Albert Einstein's Unified Field Theory was > >>> never completed. > >>> During 1943-1944, Einstein was a part-time consultant with the Navy's > >>> Bureau of Ordnance, undertaking theoretical research on explosives and > >>> explosions. " > >> > >> The Bureau of Ordance wanted a celebrity name to play with. > >> > >>> I think I have around somewhere a blackboard with all the math on it > >>> 'about getting from here to there' teleportation...celestial mechanics. > >>> > >>> https://x.com/Starmaker111/status/2033817198998000030/photo/1 > >>> > >>> but it is not finished... > >> > >> Like a lot of other research projects. Mostly when you dig deep enough, > >> you find out that an idea is never going to work. If your success rate > >> is better than 30% you are going to get scooped by other researchers > >> uncomfortably often. > >> > >> Good ideas have a nasty habit of striking different people in different > >> places at much the same time. A friend ended up making $A12 million out > >> of an idea he patented. Tektronix had applied for a provisional patent > >> six weeks earlier, but abandoned it without spending the much larger > >> sums that would have been required to register an actual patent. > > > > It's also not science fiction as you claim to be...\\ > > It certainly is science fiction, which doesn't stop people having > half-baked ideas about using it in real life. > > > Using refined tools and long series of experiments, Anton Zeilinger started to use entangled quantum states. > > Among other things, his research group has demonstrated a phenomenon called quantum teleportation, which makes it possible to move a quantum state from one particle to one at a distance. > > > > https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=4ae20d8bd47daad1&hl=en&gbv=2&sxsrf=ANbL-n4iBGManDUb2_O74J964ltj7MZlqg%3A1773767645872&q=nobel+prize+quantum+teleportati > > A quantum state doesn't have any mass. > > > The 2022 Nobel Prize in Physics was awarded to Alain Aspect, John F. Clauser, and Anton Zeilinger > > for their pioneering work on quantum entanglement, which laid the foundation for the field of quantum information science, including quantum teleportation. > > > > https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/physics/2022/press-release/#:~:text=Using%20refined%20tools%20and%20long,the%20Nobel%20Committee%20for%20Physics. > > > > and that 'blackboard' is Albert Einstein's promotion for...teleportation. > > > > https://x.com/Starmaker111/status/2033817198998000030/photo/1 > > > 'beam me up, Scotty.' > > Since Scotty was always pixels on a screen, \it an illusion. > > > I notice you have a Scottish accent... > > Via my wife I hung out with quite a few dialect experts. My accent is > educated Australian, slightly soften by 22 years living in England. One > work colleague - with whom I'm still in contact - is Scottish, but I > don't seem to have picked up his accent. > > > are you slow? > > My surname is a west country surname - there are more pages of Slomans > in the Taunton telephone directory than in the London telephone > directory - and it is a contraction of Sloughman, who was some who > farmed bottom land close to a river. > > I'm not slow - both my parents had university degrees and I got a Ph.D. > All my nieces and nephews have been to university and graduated - one > now works for Google. My father's sister married a very clever vet, who > ended up with a D.Sc, and both their kids were professors at Adelaide > University for a bit. It isn't a high prestige school and both moved on > to better jobs. That is the clever branch of the family. My father's 25 > patents - I've only got three - instills a certain measure of humility. > > -- > Bill Sloman, Sydney Now I understand why teachers blow up in rocketships...the engineers don't understand physics. -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.