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| From | Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> |
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| Newsgroups | sci.physics.relativity, sci.electronics.design, sci.math |
| Subject | Re: energy and mass |
| Date | 2026-03-19 15:07 +1100 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <10pfspv$d4ji$5@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
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On 19/03/2026 5:07 am, The Starmaker wrote: > Bill Sloman wrote: >> >> On 18/03/2026 6:27 pm, The Starmaker wrote: >>> Bill Sloman wrote: >>>> >>>> On 18/03/2026 4:34 am, The Starmaker wrote: >>>>> Bill Sloman wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On 17/03/2026 7:14 pm, The Starmaker wrote: >>>>>>> Bill Sloman wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 17/03/2026 2:55 am, The Starmaker wrote: >>>>>>>>> Bill Sloman wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 16/03/2026 3:42 pm, The Starmaker wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Bill Sloman wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/03/2026 8:24 pm, Thomas Heger wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Donnerstag000012, 12.03.2026 um 12:29 schrieb Bill Sloman: >>>>>>>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> True. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and isn't worth the effort until you have lots of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> observations to make sense of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nonsense. Your naive positivism is playing up again. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best counterexample: general relativity. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It wasn't based on any observation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sure, it was based on some madness of an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> insane crazy instead. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Einstein was about as sane as anybody could be. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I personally think, that Einstein was what I would call a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'disinformation agent'. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are free to think that. I wouldn't go around telling other people >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that you think that - it would suggest that you had a rather poor >>>>>>>>>>>>>> grasp of reality >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most likely he wasn't even a Jew and a Swiss from birth. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lots of people were happy to claim him as being Jewish after he got >>>>>>>>>>>>>> famous. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> If Einstein wasn't actually a Jew, this would be a possible explanation >>>>>>>>>>>>> for why he rejected the presidency of Israel, which was offered to him. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Would have been quite dangerous, if he had actually accepted and would >>>>>>>>>>>>> been asked to prove his jewishness. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> A much more likely explanation is that he didn't fancy becoming some >>>>>>>>>>>> kind of figurehead to be rolled out on ceremonial occasions. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> It would have distracted him from the scientific work that he kept on >>>>>>>>>>>> doing all his life. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Oh Yes, the scientific work that he kept on >>>>>>>>>>> doing all his life was figuring out how to teleport a Navy war ship from >>>>>>>>>>> one city to another city... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Einstein was working on...Quantum Teleportation. Called "The Einstein's >>>>>>>>>>> Continuum of Spatio-Temporal" >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "The Einstein's continuum of spatio-temporal which enabled idea of >>>>>>>>>>> quantum teleportation, which represents technique of dematerialization >>>>>>>>>>> of the matter, in one location and 'faxing', namely, electronic >>>>>>>>>>> transmission to quantum state on the other >>>>>>>>>>> location, in order to be materialized there." >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> (dematerialization in one location, and materialized on the other >>>>>>>>>>> location). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Larry Niven described it better - as a science fiction author he had to. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Attributing it to Einstein seems to be pure invention. It didn't show up >>>>>>>>>> in 1950's science fiction, and Einstein died in 1955. >>>>>>>>>>> Put simply, it would get you from here to there... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You. or something that might look very like you. Transforming some 70kgm >>>>>>>>>> of matter into energy and transforming it back to matter implies >>>>>>>>>> transmitting great deal of energy. A hydrogen bomb transforms 0.7kgm of >>>>>>>>>> mass into energy. Transforming the energy into exactly the right sort of >>>>>>>>>> matter to exactly duplicate you might be tricky >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "exactly duplicate", or making a copy is not how it works. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It is simply a 'cut and paste'. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You cut it from and paste it there. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Like on a computer.. >>>>>>>>> you just highlight the whole folder with a blue light, then you, >>>>>>>>> you...cut-and-paste it >>>>>>>>> to your other hard drive and it reappears there! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Not copy and paste, cut and paste. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> A distinction without meaning. "Cut and paste" is just "copy and paste" >>>>>>>> followed by "delete the original". Somebody with a very tight memory >>>>>>>> budget might cut, paste and delete in very small chunks. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You scan each atom >>>>>>>>> delete it. and paste it there. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Which would mean that there would be a point where you'd have half a >>>>>>>> person at each end of the link, both dead, unless you could complete the >>>>>>>> process in less than a millisecond. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> spooky at a distance. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Why do you think Einstein didn't finish it? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Have you any evidence to suggest that Einstein even started on it? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes, you gave us the evidence. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You wrote: "It would have distracted him from the scientific work that >>>>>>> he kept on doing all his life." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You were referring to his Grand Unified Theory he was working on all his >>>>>>> life. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What do you think the Grand Unified Theory 'is'? >>>>>> >>>>>> It includes gravity as well as electromagnetism and the weak and strong >>>>>> nuclear forces. >>>>>> >>>>>>> In 'science jargon' it's: 'When a mass moves, the force acting on other >>>>>>> masses had been considered to adjust instantaneously to the new location >>>>>>> of the displaced mass.' >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In other words... make a ship invisible and transport it to another >>>>>>> place. >>>>>> >>>>>> No. >>>>>> >>>>>>> You scan the atom (all the atoms) of the ship, delete it, and paste it >>>>>>> another place. >>>>>> >>>>>> Lovely if you could do it, but you probably need to invent a new >>>>>> universe with new and different physical laws to make it possible >>>>>> >>>>>>> "The Office of Naval Research (ONR) has stated that the use of force >>>>>>> fields to make a ship and her crew invisible does not conform to known >>>>>>> physical laws. >>>>>>> ONR also claims that Dr. Albert Einstein's Unified Field Theory was >>>>>>> never completed. >>>>>>> During 1943-1944, Einstein was a part-time consultant with the Navy's >>>>>>> Bureau of Ordnance, undertaking theoretical research on explosives and >>>>>>> explosions. " >>>>>> >>>>>> The Bureau of Ordance wanted a celebrity name to play with. >>>>>> >>>>>>> I think I have around somewhere a blackboard with all the math on it >>>>>>> 'about getting from here to there' teleportation...celestial mechanics. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://x.com/Starmaker111/status/2033817198998000030/photo/1 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> but it is not finished... >>>>>> >>>>>> Like a lot of other research projects. Mostly when you dig deep enough, >>>>>> you find out that an idea is never going to work. If your success rate >>>>>> is better than 30% you are going to get scooped by other researchers >>>>>> uncomfortably often. >>>>>> >>>>>> Good ideas have a nasty habit of striking different people in different >>>>>> places at much the same time. A friend ended up making $A12 million out >>>>>> of an idea he patented. Tektronix had applied for a provisional patent >>>>>> six weeks earlier, but abandoned it without spending the much larger >>>>>> sums that would have been required to register an actual patent. >>>>> >>>>> It's also not science fiction as you claim to be...\\ >>>> >>>> It certainly is science fiction, which doesn't stop people having >>>> half-baked ideas about using it in real life. >>>> >>>>> Using refined tools and long series of experiments, Anton Zeilinger started to use entangled quantum states. >>>>> Among other things, his research group has demonstrated a phenomenon called quantum teleportation, which makes it possible to move a quantum state from one particle to one at a distance. >>>>> >>>>> https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=4ae20d8bd47daad1&hl=en&gbv=2&sxsrf=ANbL-n4iBGManDUb2_O74J964ltj7MZlqg%3A1773767645872&q=nobel+prize+quantum+teleporta >>>> >>>> A quantum state doesn't have any mass. >>>> >>>>> The 2022 Nobel Prize in Physics was awarded to Alain Aspect, John F. Clauser, and Anton Zeilinger >>>>> for their pioneering work on quantum entanglement, which laid the foundation for the field of quantum information science, including quantum teleportation. >>>>> >>>>> https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/physics/2022/press-release/#:~:text=Using%20refined%20tools%20and%20long,the%20Nobel%20Committee%20for%20Physics. >>>>> >>>>> and that 'blackboard' is Albert Einstein's promotion for...teleportation. >>>>> >>>>> https://x.com/Starmaker111/status/2033817198998000030/photo/1 > >>>>> 'beam me up, Scotty.' >>>> >>>> Since Scotty was always pixels on a screen, \it an illusion. >>>> >>>>> I notice you have a Scottish accent... >>>> >>>> Via my wife I hung out with quite a few dialect experts. My accent is >>>> educated Australian, slightly soften by 22 years living in England. One >>>> work colleague - with whom I'm still in contact - is Scottish, but I >>>> don't seem to have picked up his accent. >>>> >>>>> are you slow? >>>> >>>> My surname is a west country surname - there are more pages of Slomans >>>> in the Taunton telephone directory than in the London telephone >>>> directory - and it is a contraction of Sloughman, who was some who >>>> farmed bottom land close to a river. >>>> >>>> I'm not slow - both my parents had university degrees and I got a Ph.D. >>>> All my nieces and nephews have been to university and graduated - one >>>> now works for Google. My father's sister married a very clever vet, who >>>> ended up with a D.Sc, and both their kids were professors at Adelaide >>>> University for a bit. It isn't a high prestige school and both moved on >>>> to better jobs. That is the clever branch of the family. My father's 25 >>>> patents - I've only got three - instills a certain measure of humility. > > From slow +? man, a nickname for a sluggish person. Always corrupted into snowman. > https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Sloman >>> Now I understand why teachers blow up in rocketships...the engineers >>> don't understand physics. >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_Challenger_disaster > >> The engineers has warned management, "but neither NASA nor the SRB >> manufacturer Morton Thiokol had addressed this known defect. NASA >> managers also disregarded engineers' warnings about the dangers of >> launching in low temperatures and did not report these technical >> concerns to their superiors." >> >> It was a management screw up. The engineers had done their jobs and >> warned management, but management ignored them. It happens a lot. > > "It happens a lot."???? You mean, you look the other way. I was never management, though I got close. I later found out that my refusal to waste time on pointless paper-shuffling counted against me. > then you take bets in the bathroom, will she live or die? It doesn't work like that. The managers worry about more important stuff - pointless paper-shuffling. > I can bet on that today, can I? Kalshi. You can bet on anything you like. It's a character defect, but not yet a crime. > no more bathroom bets. > > I bet she dies...I seen the engineers...too weak. That's built into the system. Engineers - like British scientists -have to be on tap rather than on top. > You know, no one ever told the teacher what were the odds... They were well known. Going into space has always been a risky business, but you do get a lot of publicity, which strikes as even stronger demotivator. -- Bill Sloman, Sydney
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