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| Message-ID | <65F94670.36C7@ix.netcom.com> (permalink) |
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| Date | 2024-03-19 01:01 -0700 |
| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
| Organization | The Starmaker Organization |
| Newsgroups | sci.physics.relativity, sci.physics, sci.math |
| Subject | Re: ? ? ? |
| References | (19 earlier) <17bda80578ad430d$571$160734$c2565adb@news.newsdemon.com> <65F77864.4699@ix.netcom.com> <17bdc661a2c4f7df$585$160734$c2565adb@news.newsdemon.com> <l5q4mnFhb1cU1@mid.individual.net> <65F84E8D.5D87@ix.netcom.com> |
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The Starmaker wrote: > > Thomas Heger wrote: > > > > Am 18.03.2024 um 06:59 schrieb Maciej Wozniak: > > > W dniu 18.03.2024 o 00:10, The Starmaker pisze: > > >> Maciej Wozniak wrote: > > >>> > > >>> W dniu 17.03.2024 o 21:03, The Starmaker pisze: > > >>>> Maciej Wozniak wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> W dniu 17.03.2024 o 07:55, Thomas Heger pisze: > > >>>>>> Am 14.03.2024 um 09:42 schrieb Maciej Wozniak: > > >>>>>>> W dniu 14.03.2024 o 08:24, Thomas Heger pisze: > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> I don't give a damn to it. So, what kind of objects > > >>>>>>>>>>> does use time? Does a rock do? What for? > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> 'timelike stable' is a requirement, which all material objects > > >>>>>>>>>> have to > > >>>>>>>>>> fullfil. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> Since 'timelike stable' requires time (actually a certain > > >>>>>>>>>> 'axis of > > >>>>>>>>>> time') > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> So, a rock is using time to be "timelike stable". > > >>>>>>>>> How does it use it? > > >>>>>>>>> And what is this "time" of yours? Are UTC, TAI, a zone > > >>>>>>>>> time - times, or are they something else? > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> I regard matter (e.g. particles) as 'timelike stable patterns' > > >>>>>>>> (of/in > > >>>>>>>> spacetime). > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Rock is more a crystal than a particle, what is an ensamble of > > >>>>>>>> atoms. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> A particle is modelled as 'timelike stable' because this would > > >>>>>>>> alllow a > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Modelled by a rock, or modelled by us? > > >>>>>>> Who or what is using "time" concept here? > > >>>>>> ?? > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Natur is not a modell, but the thing, which we like to modell. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> So, who, or what, can use time to model? > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>> So, are UTC, TAI, zone times - times? Or > > >>>>>>> are they something else? > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Time zones are something else. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Time zones surely are. How about zone times? > > >>>>> Are they times or are they something else? > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Time zones are just...shadows. > > >>> > > >>> Nobody is asking about time zones, or about shadows. > > >>> Once again: zone times - are they ar aren't they > > >>> times? > > >>> > > >>>> The numbers of 't' are just values earthlings put on a shadow. > > >>>> > > >>>> Is it the Sun's fault earthlings put 'numbers' on shadows? > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> The Sun sez, "Hey, look a dat, they are now putting numbers on my > > >>>> shadows!" > > >>>> > > >>>> The Sun sez, "It's just a shadow!!!!" > > >>>> > > >>>> The Moon sez, "Hey Sun, look at me.. I'm a quarter!!" > > >>> > > >>> The Sun says, the Moon says and an idiot hear voices. > > >> > > >> The U.S. is divided into 11 separate time zones. > > >> > > >> Each time zone is measured by it's shadow. > > >> > > >> > > >> If you put a sundial in one time zone... > > >> > > >> > > >> it's shadows all the way down. > > > > > > And - are zone times times or are they > > > something else? > > > > > > > All time measures are intervals. > > > > You set a certain reference point in time and measure the delay between > > that event and some other event. > > > > This measure is often called 'time'. > > > > Time includes also dates. Like today is the 18th of march 2024. This is > > a certain number of days past an event called 'birth of Christ'. > > > > To the days we add hours, minutes and seconds (and occasionally > > fractions of seconds) and call that 'time'. > > > > But this time has nothing to do with sun-dials, because Christ was not > > born 24 times on a single day. > > > > TH > > No, you set a certain reference point in the Shadow, and > measure the movement of the shadow. > > This measure you often called 'time'. > > But, it's just the sun's shadow...there is no time. It's always Now, > shadow or no shadow. > > The sun is just going around and around and asks, "What are you guys > doing, it's just a shadow?!" > > "Pay no mind to us Sun, we are just trying to synchronize out sundials." > In other words, the big hand on the clock is in fact...a mechanical shadow. -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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