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Re: ? ? ?

Message-ID <65F9E307.3666@ix.netcom.com> (permalink)
Date 2024-03-19 12:09 -0700
From The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Organization The Starmaker Organization
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity, sci.physics, sci.math
Subject Re: ? ? ?
References (19 earlier) <17bdc661a2c4f7df$585$160734$c2565adb@news.newsdemon.com> <l5q4mnFhb1cU1@mid.individual.net> <65F84E8D.5D87@ix.netcom.com> <65F94670.36C7@ix.netcom.com> <17be298a8c1dd8d7$99557$163722$c2265aab@news.newsdemon.com>

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Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> 
> W dniu 19.03.2024 o 09:01, The Starmaker pisze:
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> >>
> >> Thomas Heger wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Am 18.03.2024 um 06:59 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
> >>>> W dniu 18.03.2024 o 00:10, The Starmaker pisze:
> >>>>> Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> W dniu 17.03.2024 o 21:03, The Starmaker pisze:
> >>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> W dniu 17.03.2024 o 07:55, Thomas Heger pisze:
> >>>>>>>>> Am 14.03.2024 um 09:42 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
> >>>>>>>>>> W dniu 14.03.2024 o 08:24, Thomas Heger pisze:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't give a damn to it. So, what kind of objects
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> does use time? Does a rock do? What for?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 'timelike stable' is a requirement, which all material objects
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> have to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> fullfil.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Since 'timelike stable' requires time (actually a certain
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 'axis of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> time')
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> So, a rock is using time to be "timelike stable".
> >>>>>>>>>>>> How does it use it?
> >>>>>>>>>>>> And what is this "time" of yours? Are UTC, TAI, a zone
> >>>>>>>>>>>> time - times, or are they something else?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I regard matter (e.g. particles) as 'timelike stable patterns'
> >>>>>>>>>>> (of/in
> >>>>>>>>>>> spacetime).
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Rock is more a crystal than a particle, what is an ensamble of
> >>>>>>>>>>> atoms.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> A particle is modelled as 'timelike stable' because this would
> >>>>>>>>>>> alllow a
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Modelled by a rock, or modelled by us?
> >>>>>>>>>> Who or what is using "time" concept  here?
> >>>>>>>>> ??
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Natur is not a modell, but the thing, which we like to modell.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> So, who, or what, can use time to model?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> So, are UTC, TAI, zone times - times? Or
> >>>>>>>>>> are they something else?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Time zones are something else.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Time zones surely are. How about zone times?
> >>>>>>>> Are they times or are they something else?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Time zones are just...shadows.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Nobody is asking about time zones, or about shadows.
> >>>>>> Once again: zone times - are they ar aren't they
> >>>>>> times?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The numbers of 't' are just values earthlings put on a shadow.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Is it the Sun's fault earthlings put 'numbers' on shadows?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The Sun sez, "Hey, look a dat, they are now putting numbers on my
> >>>>>>> shadows!"
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The Sun sez, "It's just a shadow!!!!"
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The Moon sez, "Hey Sun, look at me.. I'm a quarter!!"
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The Sun says, the Moon says and an idiot hear voices.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The U.S. is divided into 11 separate time zones.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Each time zone is measured by it's shadow.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you put a sundial in one time zone...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> it's shadows all the way down.
> >>>>
> >>>> And - are zone times times or are they
> >>>> something else?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> All time measures are intervals.
> >>>
> >>> You set a certain reference point in time and measure the delay between
> >>> that event and some other event.
> >>>
> >>> This measure is often called 'time'.
> >>>
> >>> Time includes also dates. Like today is the 18th of march 2024. This is
> >>> a certain number of days past an event called 'birth of Christ'.
> >>>
> >>> To the days we add hours, minutes and seconds (and occasionally
> >>> fractions of seconds) and call that 'time'.
> >>>
> >>> But this time has nothing to do with sun-dials, because Christ was not
> >>> born 24 times on a single day.
> >>>
> >>> TH
> >>
> >> No, you set a certain reference point in the Shadow, and
> >> measure the movement of the shadow.
> >>
> >> This measure you often called 'time'.
> >>
> >> But, it's just the sun's shadow...there is no time. It's always Now,
> >> shadow or no shadow.
> >>
> >> The sun is just going around and around and asks, "What are you guys
> >> doing, it's just a shadow?!"
> >>
> >> "Pay no mind to us Sun, we are just trying to synchronize out sundials."
> >>
> >
> >
> > In other words, the big hand on the clock is in fact...a mechanical
> > shadow.
> 
> And?
> Are zone times times or are they
> something else?


zone times are not times...it is just the Sun's 'shadow' moving across
the face of the earth.

there are no seconds
there are no minutes
there are no hours
there are no days, months or years...
there are no times or zones times..

it's just the Sun's 'shadow' moving across the face of the earth.


The universe in not mathematical.
Math exist only in the mind.

What time is it, I gotta go, I'm late...





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to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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                Re: ? ? ? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-04-02 09:52 -0700
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                Re: ? ? ? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-04-02 12:26 -0700
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                Re: ? ? ? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-04-03 23:03 -0700
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                Re: ? ? ? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-04-04 09:00 -0700
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