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Re: ...all those Science guys

From	The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: ...all those Science guys
Date	2022-06-15 15:12 -0700
Organization	The Starmaker Organization
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Thomas Heger wrote:
> 
> Am 13.06.2022 um 19:04 schrieb Volney:
> > On 6/11/2022 6:48 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >> Volney wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On 6/11/2022 12:37 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
> >>>> Am 10.06.2022 um 07:37 schrieb The Starmaker:
> >>>>> Most people are not aware...
> >>>>> (even among this very newsgroup)
> >>>>> thatÃ‚  all those Science guys
> >>>>> who worked on
> >>>>> The Manhattan Project
> >>>>> *didn't* want to work on
> >>>>> The Manhattan Project.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> They had better things
> >>>>> to do than work for
> >>>>> Albert Einstein's project.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Those science guys were
> >>>>> *forced* to work on
> >>>>> The Manhattan Project.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Against their will.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> They were ...drafted.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> The atomic bomb was most likely well known, before the Manhattan
> >>>> Project
> >>>> even started (most likely known by Einstein himself).
> >>>>
> >>>> The reason:
> >>>>
> >>>> the inventor of the atomic bomb Leo Szillard and Einstein have patented
> >>>> a 'fridge', which has only one known use in a fast breeding reactor.
> >>>
> >>> Totally absurd!
> >>>
> >>> First, this was patented in 1926, but the science behind breeder
> >>> reactors wasn't even known then. The neutron wasn't discovered until
> >>> 1932, atomic fission wasn't known until 1938, and plutonium in 1940.
> >>> How could something be created for a use which was entirely unknown at
> >>> the time of patenting?
> >>>
> >>> Secondly, it does have non-nuclear uses.  It has been used to keep
> >>> vaccines cold in third world countries, as it only needs heat, no
> >>> electricity.  It's also very much like propane refrigerators used in RVs
> >>> and "off the grid" people everywhere.
> >>>
> >>> Third, it uses liquid butane and dissolved ammonia in its operation,
> >>> which tells me that there is no way it could work at the high
> >>> temperatures of a nuclear reactor.
> >>>
> >>> You apparently got that crap from Starfarter, who also claimed that, and
> >>> also claims many incorrect bizarre claims about Einstein, and many other
> >>> things as well.  You should be embarrassed for believing anything from
> >>> Starfarter.
> >>>>
> >>>> Therefore there was a need for such a device already in 1930 in
> >>>> Germany.
> >>>
> >>> Like what?  Nobody knew of nuclear fission, neutrons or plutonium, much
> >>> less the combination of them known as a fast breeding reactor. Or any
> >>> nuclear reactor, for that matter.
> >>>>
> >>>> And the only known use of a fast breeding reactor is to produce
> >>>> Plutonium.
> >>>
> >>> Which was unknown in 1926, and unknown for the next 14 years.  BTW
> >>> another use of fast breeders is to simply produce electricity/nuclear
> >>> power.  In fact, ALL nuclear reactors do a little bit of breeding
> >>> (making U-238 in their fuel into plutonium, some of which powers the
> >>> reactor during the time before it needs refueling, and is one of the
> >>> dangerous components of spent fuel).
> >>>>
> >>>> And for this dangerous element we also have only a single known reason:
> >>>> atomic bombs.
> >>>
> >>> It can be used for power in nuclear power plants designed to burn it. In
> >>> fact, around 1992, Russia gave the US much of its ex-USSR plutonium so
> >>> that it could be used/destroyed in nuclear reactors so couldn't be used
> >>> in bombs. (now Putin wants it back :-) )
> >>>>
> >>>> That's why we have to think about Mega-fraud in connection to the
> >>>> Manhattan project, too.
> >>>
> >>> What mega-fraud, and what does the Manhattan project have to do with a
> >>> fancy RV refrigerator?
> >>>>
> >>>> A 'good' reason for this project could have been, that all participants
> >>>> were sworn into secrecy, hence could not question the public narrative.
> >>>
> >>> You mean: "If any of us discovers or learns something of extreme
> >>> military significance 12 years from now, don't tell ANYONE! Pinky
> >>> Promise!!!"
> >>
> >> You're not even wrong!
> >>
> >> Your first mistake when you said:
> >> "First, this was patented in 1926, but the science behind breeder
> >> reactors wasn't even known then."
> >
> > Invented in 1926, patented Nov 11, 1930. This doesn't affect my point.
> >>
> >>
> >> The patent was filed by Einstein in Dec 16, 1927
> >> https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/e9/74/2cde176701fab8/US1781541.pdf
> >>
> >>
> >> Your second mistake was...when you said.."...but the science behind
> >> breeder
> >> reactors wasn't even known then."
> >>
> >>
> >> It was Albert Einstein who INVENTED the science behind breeder
> >> reactors!
> >
> > Absurd. Neither Einstein, nor anyone else, knew of nuclear fission,
> > neutrons nor plutonium in 1926, knowledge of all of which would be
> > needed to even come up with the concept of a "breeder reactor".
> >
> > The motivation behind his refrigerator invention was reading a newspaper
> > story how an entire family was killed when poisonous refrigerant leaked
> > from a conventional refrigerator and he wanted to create a refrigerator
> > without a seal which could leak.
> 
> Einstein's fridge could not work.
> 
> It uses three different substances, and the actual refridgerant is
> liquid butane.
> 
> But there is no ventury tube or similar in the path of the butane vapor,
> just a tube with a heat exchanger (No 5).
> 
> But the cooling effect is usually caused by expansion of the coolant in
> such a tube, which Einstein's fridge didn't have.
> 
> I also see no means, that would keep the butane liquid.
> 
> TH

furthermore,

there were many patents associated/connected with his REFRIGERATION patent

Like...The CHILLER! 

https://patents.google.com/patent/CH140217A/en?inventor=Einstein+Albert&sort=old


Keep Cool Boy!






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 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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...all those Science guys The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-06-09 22:37 -0700
  Re: ...all those Science guys patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-06-09 23:44 -0700
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  Re: ...all those Science guys Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-06-10 00:05 -0700
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        Re: ...all those Science guys Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-06-10 00:18 -0700
          Re: ...all those Science guys The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-06-10 10:44 -0700
    Re: ...all those Science guys The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-06-10 11:08 -0700
      Re: ...all those Science guys The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-06-11 11:19 -0700
        Re: ...all those Science guys nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-06-12 09:37 +0200
          Re: ...all those Science guys The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-06-14 10:31 -0700
            Re: ...all those Science guys Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-06-14 10:38 -0700
              Re: ...all those Science guys The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-06-14 11:17 -0700
                Re: ...all those Science guys Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-06-18 18:06 +0200
                Re: ...all those Science guys Python <python@python.invalid> - 2022-06-18 18:43 +0200
                Re: ...all those Science guys Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-06-18 09:52 -0700
                Re: ...all those Science guys Python <python@python.invalid> - 2022-06-18 20:38 +0200
                Re: ...all those Science guys Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-06-18 12:16 -0700
                Re: ...all those Science guys Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-06-19 07:36 +0200
                Re: ...all those Science guys Python <python@python.invalid> - 2022-06-19 08:16 +0200
                Re: ...all those Science guys Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-06-20 07:44 +0200
                Re: ...all those Science guys Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-06-21 06:58 +0200
                Re: ...all those Science guys nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-06-21 22:36 +0200
                Re: ...all those Science guys The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-06-21 15:13 -0700
                Re: ...all those Science guys nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-06-24 11:36 +0200
                Re: ...all those Science guys The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-06-25 20:30 -0700
                Re: ...all those Science guys nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-06-26 11:22 +0200
                Re: ...all those Science guys Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-06-26 21:29 +0200
                Re: ...all those Science guys Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-06-22 06:44 +0200
                Re: ...all those Science guys Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-06-23 08:36 +0200
                Re: ...all those Science guys nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-06-24 20:07 +0200
                Re: ...all those Science guys Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-06-26 06:48 +0200
                Re: ...all those Science guys Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-06-26 01:19 -0400
                Re: ...all those Science guys Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-06-25 22:38 -0700
                Re: ...all those Science guys Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-06-26 21:10 +0200
                Re: ...all those Science guys nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-06-26 11:22 +0200
                Re: ...all those Science guys Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-06-26 03:12 -0700
                Re: ...all those Science guys Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-06-26 21:22 +0200
  Re: ...all those Science guys nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-06-10 09:42 +0200
    Re: ...all those Science guys Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-06-25 08:49 +0200
  Re: ...all those Science guys Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2022-06-10 14:35 +0200
    Re: ...all those Science guys nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-06-10 15:55 +0200
      Re: ...all those Science guys patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-06-10 09:05 -0700
        Re: ...all those Science guys nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-06-15 11:24 +0200
          Re: ...all those Science guys Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2022-06-15 11:35 +0200
            Re: ...all those Science guys The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-06-15 15:00 -0700
            Re: ...all those Science guys nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-06-16 12:26 +0200
  Re: ...all those Science guys Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-06-11 06:37 +0200
    Re: ...all those Science guys The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-06-11 12:12 -0700
      Re: ...all those Science guys Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-06-12 07:45 +0200
    Re: ...all those Science guys Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-06-11 17:37 -0400
      Re: ...all those Science guys The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-06-11 15:48 -0700
        Re: ...all those Science guys Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-06-13 13:04 -0400
          Re: ...all those Science guys Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-06-14 08:23 +0200
            Re: ...all those Science guys Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-06-14 11:03 -0400
              Re: ...all those Science guys The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-06-14 10:28 -0700
              Re: ...all those Science guys nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-06-14 20:27 +0200
                Re: ...all those Science guys Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-06-15 12:29 +0200
                Re: ...all those Science guys Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-06-15 12:04 -0400
                Re: ...all those Science guys Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-06-16 07:59 +0200
                Re: ...all those Science guys Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-06-16 08:04 +0200
                Re: ...all those Science guys Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-06-17 18:54 -0400
                Re: ...all those Science guys The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-06-18 00:42 -0700
                Re: ...all those Science guys Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-06-18 15:06 +0200
                Re: ...all those Science guys nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-06-16 12:26 +0200
                Re: ...all those Science guys Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-06-16 08:30 -0700
                Re: ...all those Science guys Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-06-17 08:38 +0200
                Re: ...all those Science guys Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-06-17 00:18 -0700
            Re: ...all those Science guys The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-06-15 15:12 -0700
      Re: ...all those Science guys RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2022-06-13 11:45 -0700
        Re: ...all those Science guys nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-06-14 13:08 +0200

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