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| First post | 2022-06-09 22:37 -0700 |
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...all those Science guys The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-06-09 22:37 -0700
Re: ...all those Science guys patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-06-09 23:44 -0700
Re: ...all those Science guys Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-06-09 23:58 -0700
Re: ...all those Science guys Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-06-10 00:05 -0700
Re: ...all those Science guys Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-06-10 00:08 -0700
Re: ...all those Science guys Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-06-10 00:11 -0700
Re: ...all those Science guys Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-06-10 00:18 -0700
Re: ...all those Science guys The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-06-10 10:44 -0700
Re: ...all those Science guys The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-06-10 11:08 -0700
Re: ...all those Science guys The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-06-11 11:19 -0700
Re: ...all those Science guys nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-06-12 09:37 +0200
Re: ...all those Science guys The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-06-14 10:31 -0700
Re: ...all those Science guys Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-06-14 10:38 -0700
Re: ...all those Science guys The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-06-14 11:17 -0700
Re: ...all those Science guys Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-06-18 18:06 +0200
Re: ...all those Science guys Python <python@python.invalid> - 2022-06-18 18:43 +0200
Re: ...all those Science guys Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-06-18 09:52 -0700
Re: ...all those Science guys Python <python@python.invalid> - 2022-06-18 20:38 +0200
Re: ...all those Science guys Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-06-18 12:16 -0700
Re: ...all those Science guys Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-06-19 07:36 +0200
Re: ...all those Science guys Python <python@python.invalid> - 2022-06-19 08:16 +0200
Re: ...all those Science guys Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-06-20 07:44 +0200
Re: ...all those Science guys Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-06-21 06:58 +0200
Re: ...all those Science guys nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-06-21 22:36 +0200
Re: ...all those Science guys The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-06-21 15:13 -0700
Re: ...all those Science guys nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-06-24 11:36 +0200
Re: ...all those Science guys The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-06-25 20:30 -0700
Re: ...all those Science guys nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-06-26 11:22 +0200
Re: ...all those Science guys Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-06-26 21:29 +0200
Re: ...all those Science guys Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-06-22 06:44 +0200
Re: ...all those Science guys Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-06-23 08:36 +0200
Re: ...all those Science guys nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-06-24 20:07 +0200
Re: ...all those Science guys Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-06-26 06:48 +0200
Re: ...all those Science guys Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-06-26 01:19 -0400
Re: ...all those Science guys Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-06-25 22:38 -0700
Re: ...all those Science guys Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-06-26 21:10 +0200
Re: ...all those Science guys nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-06-26 11:22 +0200
Re: ...all those Science guys Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-06-26 03:12 -0700
Re: ...all those Science guys Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-06-26 21:22 +0200
Re: ...all those Science guys nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-06-10 09:42 +0200
Re: ...all those Science guys Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-06-25 08:49 +0200
Re: ...all those Science guys Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2022-06-10 14:35 +0200
Re: ...all those Science guys nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-06-10 15:55 +0200
Re: ...all those Science guys patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-06-10 09:05 -0700
Re: ...all those Science guys nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-06-15 11:24 +0200
Re: ...all those Science guys Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2022-06-15 11:35 +0200
Re: ...all those Science guys The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-06-15 15:00 -0700
Re: ...all those Science guys nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-06-16 12:26 +0200
Re: ...all those Science guys Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-06-11 06:37 +0200
Re: ...all those Science guys The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-06-11 12:12 -0700
Re: ...all those Science guys Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-06-12 07:45 +0200
Re: ...all those Science guys Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-06-11 17:37 -0400
Re: ...all those Science guys The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-06-11 15:48 -0700
Re: ...all those Science guys Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-06-13 13:04 -0400
Re: ...all those Science guys Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-06-14 08:23 +0200
Re: ...all those Science guys Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-06-14 11:03 -0400
Re: ...all those Science guys The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-06-14 10:28 -0700
Re: ...all those Science guys nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-06-14 20:27 +0200
Re: ...all those Science guys Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-06-15 12:29 +0200
Re: ...all those Science guys Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-06-15 12:04 -0400
Re: ...all those Science guys Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-06-16 07:59 +0200
Re: ...all those Science guys Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-06-16 08:04 +0200
Re: ...all those Science guys Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-06-17 18:54 -0400
Re: ...all those Science guys The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-06-18 00:42 -0700
Re: ...all those Science guys Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-06-18 15:06 +0200
Re: ...all those Science guys nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-06-16 12:26 +0200
Re: ...all those Science guys Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-06-16 08:30 -0700
Re: ...all those Science guys Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-06-17 08:38 +0200
Re: ...all those Science guys Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-06-17 00:18 -0700
Re: ...all those Science guys The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-06-15 15:12 -0700
Re: ...all those Science guys RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2022-06-13 11:45 -0700
Re: ...all those Science guys nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-06-14 13:08 +0200
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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
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| Date | 2022-06-16 07:59 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <jgvv69F8upjU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #586997 |
Am 15.06.2022 um 18:04 schrieb Volney: > On 6/15/2022 6:29 AM, Thomas Heger wrote: >> Am 14.06.2022 um 20:27 schrieb J. J. Lodder: >>> Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>> On 6/14/2022 2:23 AM, Thomas Heger wrote: >>>>> Am 13.06.2022 um 19:04 schrieb Volney: >>>>>> On 6/11/2022 6:48 PM, The Starmaker wrote: >>>>>>> Volney wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 6/11/2022 12:37 AM, Thomas Heger wrote: >>>>>>>>> Am 10.06.2022 um 07:37 schrieb The Starmaker: >>>>>>>>>> Most people are not aware... >>>>>>>>>> (even among this very newsgroup) >>>>>>>>>> that all those Science guys >>>>>>>>>> who worked on >>>>>>>>>> The Manhattan Project >>>>>>>>>> *didn't* want to work on >>>>>>>>>> The Manhattan Project. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> They had better things >>>>>>>>>> to do than work for >>>>>>>>>> Albert Einstein's project. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Those science guys were >>>>>>>>>> *forced* to work on >>>>>>>>>> The Manhattan Project. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Against their will. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> They were ...drafted. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The atomic bomb was most likely well known, before the Manhattan >>>>>>>>> Project >>>>>>>>> even started (most likely known by Einstein himself). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The reason: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> the inventor of the atomic bomb Leo Szillard and Einstein have >>>>>>>>> patented >>>>>>>>> a 'fridge', which has only one known use in a fast breeding >>>>>>>>> reactor. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Totally absurd! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> First, this was patented in 1926, but the science behind breeder >>>>>>>> reactors wasn't even known then. The neutron wasn't discovered >>>>>>>> until >>>>>>>> 1932, atomic fission wasn't known until 1938, and plutonium in >>>>>>>> 1940. >>>>>>>> How could something be created for a use which was entirely >>>>>>>> unknown at >>>>>>>> the time of patenting? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Secondly, it does have non-nuclear uses. It has been used to keep >>>>>>>> vaccines cold in third world countries, as it only needs heat, no >>>>>>>> electricity. It's also very much like propane refrigerators >>>>>>>> used in >>>>>>>> RVs >>>>>>>> and "off the grid" people everywhere. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Third, it uses liquid butane and dissolved ammonia in its >>>>>>>> operation, >>>>>>>> which tells me that there is no way it could work at the high >>>>>>>> temperatures of a nuclear reactor. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You apparently got that crap from Starfarter, who also claimed >>>>>>>> that, >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> also claims many incorrect bizarre claims about Einstein, and many >>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>> things as well. You should be embarrassed for believing >>>>>>>> anything from >>>>>>>> Starfarter. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Therefore there was a need for such a device already in 1930 in >>>>>>>>> Germany. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Like what? Nobody knew of nuclear fission, neutrons or >>>>>>>> plutonium, much >>>>>>>> less the combination of them known as a fast breeding reactor. >>>>>>>> Or any >>>>>>>> nuclear reactor, for that matter. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And the only known use of a fast breeding reactor is to produce >>>>>>>>> Plutonium. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Which was unknown in 1926, and unknown for the next 14 years. BTW >>>>>>>> another use of fast breeders is to simply produce >>>>>>>> electricity/nuclear >>>>>>>> power. In fact, ALL nuclear reactors do a little bit of breeding >>>>>>>> (making U-238 in their fuel into plutonium, some of which powers >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> reactor during the time before it needs refueling, and is one of >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> dangerous components of spent fuel). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And for this dangerous element we also have only a single known >>>>>>>>> reason: >>>>>>>>> atomic bombs. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It can be used for power in nuclear power plants designed to burn >>>>>>>> it. In >>>>>>>> fact, around 1992, Russia gave the US much of its ex-USSR >>>>>>>> plutonium so >>>>>>>> that it could be used/destroyed in nuclear reactors so couldn't >>>>>>>> be used >>>>>>>> in bombs. (now Putin wants it back :-) ) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That's why we have to think about Mega-fraud in connection to the >>>>>>>>> Manhattan project, too. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What mega-fraud, and what does the Manhattan project have to do >>>>>>>> with a >>>>>>>> fancy RV refrigerator? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> A 'good' reason for this project could have been, that all >>>>>>>>> participants >>>>>>>>> were sworn into secrecy, hence could not question the public >>>>>>>>> narrative. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You mean: "If any of us discovers or learns something of extreme >>>>>>>> military significance 12 years from now, don't tell ANYONE! Pinky >>>>>>>> Promise!!!" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You're not even wrong! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Your first mistake when you said: >>>>>>> "First, this was patented in 1926, but the science behind breeder >>>>>>> reactors wasn't even known then." >>>>>> >>>>>> Invented in 1926, patented Nov 11, 1930. This doesn't affect my >>>>>> point. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The patent was filed by Einstein in Dec 16, 1927 >>>>>>> https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/e9/74/2cde176701fab8/US1781 >>>>>>> >>> 541.pdf >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Your second mistake was...when you said.."...but the science behind >>>>>>> breeder >>>>>>> reactors wasn't even known then." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It was Albert Einstein who INVENTED the science behind breeder >>>>>>> reactors! >>>>>> >>>>>> Absurd. Neither Einstein, nor anyone else, knew of nuclear fission, >>>>>> neutrons nor plutonium in 1926, knowledge of all of which would be >>>>>> needed to even come up with the concept of a "breeder reactor". >>>>>> >>>>>> The motivation behind his refrigerator invention was reading a >>>>>> newspaper >>>>>> story how an entire family was killed when poisonous refrigerant >>>>>> leaked >>>>>> from a conventional refrigerator and he wanted to create a >>>>>> refrigerator >>>>>> without a seal which could leak. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Einstein's fridge could not work. >>>> >>>> The fact that it *did* work obviously shows that this is wrong. If >>>> reality conflicts with a claim, it's not reality which is wrong. >>>> >>>> It failed commercially because Freon was invented so standard >>>> refrigerators could be used without poisonous refrigerants, it wasn't >>>> efficient, and rise of Nazism/WW2. >>> >>> It didn't fail at all. >>> 'Absorbtion' refrigerators were marketed until the sixties. >>> What killed them was thermal inefficiency. >>> And not even that, they are still marketed for mobile applications, >>> like camping cars, and other nice applications, >>> >> >> >> There has been a group of student, who tried to replicate Einstein's >> fridge, but clomplained, it would not work. > > So they weren't very good at building things. As far as I can tell, NOBODY EVER was able to replicate the fridge. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absorption_refrigerator The design of Einstein's fridge seems to be false, as it did not match the description of absorption fridges in that wikipedia page. Einstein's fridge used three substances: water, ammonia und butane. The actually refridgerant was ammonia, while butane was meant as low boiling innert liquid. Now household friges use hydrogen gas for what Einstein wanted to use butane for. But the butane was liquid, while in these fridges the hydrogen is a gas: Quote: "The ammonia (gas) and hydrogen (gas) mixture flows through a pipe from the evaporator into the absorber. In the absorber, this mixture of gases contacts water (technically, a weak solution of ammonia in water). The gaseous ammonia dissolves in the water, while the hydrogen, which doesn't, collects at the top of the absorber, leaving the now-strong ammonia-and-water solution at the bottom. The hydrogen is now separate while the ammonia is now dissolved in the water." > As I already said, another group used the design as a vaccine cooler for > third world countries with limited electricity access did succeed around > 2005. Mostly used were such fridges in boats and mobile homes, which also have limitted acces to power lines. >> I tried to find out, why it wouldn't work and found, it contains no >> ventury tube and the third component butane cannot be kept liquid. > > Venturi tube? They are used to measure flow rates of a gas. > Did you mean expansion valve? I actually meant 'Drossel' (in German), but was too lazy to search for an appropriate translation. What I found was 'Ventury-Düse'. > It's an absorption refrigerator! They don't have expansion valves or > compressors! As to liquid butane, I have a canister of it right here. > Seems to be liquid just fine. > >> So, it was imho not an absorption fridge. > > You are very, very confused. I have heard, this device by Einstein and Szillard was ONLY used in fast breeding reactors. No other use is known so far. > Your OCD hatred for Einstein has blinded you. You are spewing nonsense > in response. >> >> Such fridges were and are in common use, of course, but none used the >> principles of Einstein's fridge. >> >> But someone paid for this patent. > > Likely Szilard and Einstein. No, they were the inventors. 'Someone paid' means a company, who paid Einstein and Szillard for their patent. But the payment does not necessarily need to exchange the value of the patent. Also entirely worthless items can be 'sold', if the reason for a transfer of money shall be kept secret. As Leo Szillar was the inventor of the atomic bomb, too, a payment for the fridge could possibly be a hidden payment for the bomb. > A company bought rights to the patent but AFAIK didn't make a product > from it. No, the payment was in the form of regualr payments for a long period of time, not in the form of a single price. That patent was therefore 'rented', not sold. >> For such a payment we need a justification. > > Einstein and Szilard wanted to protect their intellectual property! That > is what patents are for. No further justification needed. Sure. But usually you see the payment from the perspective of the tenent/buyer. So, what was the motive of the buyer? >> I would say, as a guess, that the patent had a value, but was not >> about a household fridge, but about a part of a reactor. This 'fridge' >> used molten metalls and very high temperatures and operated on other >> principles than household absorption fridges. > > And, in 1926-1930, what use could there be for such a thing? The entire > concept of breeder reactors, nuclear reactors or even fission was > completely unknown at the time. It is almost entirely impossible to prove statements containing 'impossible'. 'unknown' is similarily impossible to prove, because we can know only known things. ... > Also a refrigerator running off ammonia, water and butane as working > fluids isn't going to work at temperatures of molten metals! Sure. But butane was not the only substance possible in that patent and introduced only as an example for an innert fluid. If you scale the temperature range up by far, you could think about gassous forms of metal, too. That would fit far better to 'fast breeding reactor'. TH
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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
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| Date | 2022-06-16 08:04 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <jgvvebF8upjU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #587034 |
Am 16.06.2022 um 07:59 schrieb Thomas Heger: .. >> Also a refrigerator running off ammonia, water and butane as working >> fluids isn't going to work at temperatures of molten metals! > > Sure. > > But butane was not the only substance possible in that patent and > introduced only as an example for an innert fluid. > > If you scale the temperature range up by far, you could think about > gassous forms of metal, too. > > That would fit far better to 'fast breeding reactor'. > This would also fit to Einstein's 'chiller': https://patents.google.com/patent/CH140217A/en?inventor=Einstein+Albert&sort=old (thanks to Starmaker for this link) " Chiller. The invention relates to a refrigeration machine in which, according to the invention, the operating energy is supplied by moving a liquid metal through which an electric current flows under the action of a magnetic field. In addition to mercury, light metals in particular also come into question as liquid metal, for example sodium-potassium alloys, especially those with about 75% K." TH
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| From | Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2022-06-17 18:54 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <t8j0n6$lup$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #587034 |
On 6/16/2022 1:59 AM, Thomas Heger wrote: > Am 15.06.2022 um 18:04 schrieb Volney: >> On 6/15/2022 6:29 AM, Thomas Heger wrote: >>> Am 14.06.2022 um 20:27 schrieb J. J. Lodder: >>>> Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 6/14/2022 2:23 AM, Thomas Heger wrote: >>>>>> Am 13.06.2022 um 19:04 schrieb Volney: >>>>>>> On 6/11/2022 6:48 PM, The Starmaker wrote: >>>>>>>> Volney wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 6/11/2022 12:37 AM, Thomas Heger wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Am 10.06.2022 um 07:37 schrieb The Starmaker: >>>>>>>>>>> Most people are not aware... >>>>>>>>>>> (even among this very newsgroup) >>>>>>>>>>> that all those Science guys >>>>>>>>>>> who worked on >>>>>>>>>>> The Manhattan Project >>>>>>>>>>> *didn't* want to work on >>>>>>>>>>> The Manhattan Project. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> They had better things >>>>>>>>>>> to do than work for >>>>>>>>>>> Albert Einstein's project. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Those science guys were >>>>>>>>>>> *forced* to work on >>>>>>>>>>> The Manhattan Project. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Against their will. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> They were ...drafted. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The atomic bomb was most likely well known, before the Manhattan >>>>>>>>>> Project >>>>>>>>>> even started (most likely known by Einstein himself). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The reason: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> the inventor of the atomic bomb Leo Szillard and Einstein have >>>>>>>>>> patented >>>>>>>>>> a 'fridge', which has only one known use in a fast breeding >>>>>>>>>> reactor. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Totally absurd! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> First, this was patented in 1926, but the science behind breeder >>>>>>>>> reactors wasn't even known then. The neutron wasn't discovered >>>>>>>>> until >>>>>>>>> 1932, atomic fission wasn't known until 1938, and plutonium in >>>>>>>>> 1940. >>>>>>>>> How could something be created for a use which was entirely >>>>>>>>> unknown at >>>>>>>>> the time of patenting? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Secondly, it does have non-nuclear uses. It has been used to keep >>>>>>>>> vaccines cold in third world countries, as it only needs heat, no >>>>>>>>> electricity. It's also very much like propane refrigerators >>>>>>>>> used in >>>>>>>>> RVs >>>>>>>>> and "off the grid" people everywhere. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Third, it uses liquid butane and dissolved ammonia in its >>>>>>>>> operation, >>>>>>>>> which tells me that there is no way it could work at the high >>>>>>>>> temperatures of a nuclear reactor. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You apparently got that crap from Starfarter, who also claimed >>>>>>>>> that, >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> also claims many incorrect bizarre claims about Einstein, and many >>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>> things as well. You should be embarrassed for believing >>>>>>>>> anything from >>>>>>>>> Starfarter. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Therefore there was a need for such a device already in 1930 in >>>>>>>>>> Germany. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Like what? Nobody knew of nuclear fission, neutrons or >>>>>>>>> plutonium, much >>>>>>>>> less the combination of them known as a fast breeding reactor. >>>>>>>>> Or any >>>>>>>>> nuclear reactor, for that matter. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> And the only known use of a fast breeding reactor is to produce >>>>>>>>>> Plutonium. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Which was unknown in 1926, and unknown for the next 14 years. BTW >>>>>>>>> another use of fast breeders is to simply produce >>>>>>>>> electricity/nuclear >>>>>>>>> power. In fact, ALL nuclear reactors do a little bit of breeding >>>>>>>>> (making U-238 in their fuel into plutonium, some of which powers >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> reactor during the time before it needs refueling, and is one of >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> dangerous components of spent fuel). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> And for this dangerous element we also have only a single known >>>>>>>>>> reason: >>>>>>>>>> atomic bombs. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It can be used for power in nuclear power plants designed to burn >>>>>>>>> it. In >>>>>>>>> fact, around 1992, Russia gave the US much of its ex-USSR >>>>>>>>> plutonium so >>>>>>>>> that it could be used/destroyed in nuclear reactors so couldn't >>>>>>>>> be used >>>>>>>>> in bombs. (now Putin wants it back :-) ) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> That's why we have to think about Mega-fraud in connection to the >>>>>>>>>> Manhattan project, too. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What mega-fraud, and what does the Manhattan project have to do >>>>>>>>> with a >>>>>>>>> fancy RV refrigerator? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> A 'good' reason for this project could have been, that all >>>>>>>>>> participants >>>>>>>>>> were sworn into secrecy, hence could not question the public >>>>>>>>>> narrative. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You mean: "If any of us discovers or learns something of extreme >>>>>>>>> military significance 12 years from now, don't tell ANYONE! Pinky >>>>>>>>> Promise!!!" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You're not even wrong! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Your first mistake when you said: >>>>>>>> "First, this was patented in 1926, but the science behind breeder >>>>>>>> reactors wasn't even known then." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Invented in 1926, patented Nov 11, 1930. This doesn't affect my >>>>>>> point. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The patent was filed by Einstein in Dec 16, 1927 >>>>>>>> https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/e9/74/2cde176701fab8/US1781 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> 541.pdf >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Your second mistake was...when you said.."...but the science behind >>>>>>>> breeder >>>>>>>> reactors wasn't even known then." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It was Albert Einstein who INVENTED the science behind breeder >>>>>>>> reactors! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Absurd. Neither Einstein, nor anyone else, knew of nuclear fission, >>>>>>> neutrons nor plutonium in 1926, knowledge of all of which would be >>>>>>> needed to even come up with the concept of a "breeder reactor". >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The motivation behind his refrigerator invention was reading a >>>>>>> newspaper >>>>>>> story how an entire family was killed when poisonous refrigerant >>>>>>> leaked >>>>>>> from a conventional refrigerator and he wanted to create a >>>>>>> refrigerator >>>>>>> without a seal which could leak. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Einstein's fridge could not work. >>>>> >>>>> The fact that it *did* work obviously shows that this is wrong. If >>>>> reality conflicts with a claim, it's not reality which is wrong. >>>>> >>>>> It failed commercially because Freon was invented so standard >>>>> refrigerators could be used without poisonous refrigerants, it wasn't >>>>> efficient, and rise of Nazism/WW2. >>>> >>>> It didn't fail at all. >>>> 'Absorbtion' refrigerators were marketed until the sixties. >>>> What killed them was thermal inefficiency. >>>> And not even that, they are still marketed for mobile applications, >>>> like camping cars, and other nice applications, >>>> >>> >>> >>> There has been a group of student, who tried to replicate Einstein's >>> fridge, but clomplained, it would not work. >> >> So they weren't very good at building things. > > As far as I can tell, NOBODY EVER was able to replicate the fridge. I guess you didn't investigate very closely. It HAS been made to work. It was less efficient than other absorption refrigerators, which is part of why Einstein's refrigerator wasn't much of a success for him. Other reasons, the Great Depression which killed many good ideas, the invention of freon so conventional compressor refrigerators were less dangerous (his original motivation for doing this), and WW2. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absorption_refrigerator > > The design of Einstein's fridge seems to be false, as it did not match > the description of absorption fridges in that wikipedia page. There are many different kinds of absorption refrigerators. Einstein's works the same as many of them, by heating ammonia water, driving off ammonia(g) which is cooled. Part is ammonia being introduced into an inert gas (hydrogen in many absorption refrigerators, butane in Einstein's) which decreases the partial pressure of ammonia. This all affects ammonia going between being liquid and gas, where the transitions cause it to absorb or release heat. Einstein's refrigerator has a third loop involving butane going between liquid and gas, not sure why that was necessary. It may be that some modern absorption refrigerators are modified versions of Einstein's refrigerator, with one of the modifications being to eliminate the butane loop. > > Einstein's fridge used three substances: water, ammonia und butane. > > The actually refridgerant was ammonia, while butane was meant as low > boiling innert liquid. > > Now household friges use hydrogen gas for what Einstein wanted to use > butane for. But the butane was liquid, while in these fridges the > hydrogen is a gas: Liquid AND gas in Einstein's refrigerator. > > Quote: > > "The ammonia (gas) and hydrogen (gas) mixture flows through a pipe from > the evaporator into the absorber. In the absorber, this mixture of gases > contacts water (technically, a weak solution of ammonia in water). The > gaseous ammonia dissolves in the water, while the hydrogen, which > doesn't, collects at the top of the absorber, leaving the now-strong > ammonia-and-water solution at the bottom. The hydrogen is now separate > while the ammonia is now dissolved in the water." Replace hydrogen with butane gas and it's the same. There's an additional liquid/gas butane loop in Einstein's refrigerator, but that's misleading. > >> As I already said, another group used the design as a vaccine cooler for >> third world countries with limited electricity access did succeed around >> 2005. > > > Mostly used were such fridges in boats and mobile homes, which also have > limitted acces to power lines. > >>> I tried to find out, why it wouldn't work and found, it contains no >>> ventury tube and the third component butane cannot be kept liquid. >> >> Venturi tube? They are used to measure flow rates of a gas. >> Did you mean expansion valve? > > I actually meant 'Drossel' (in German), but was too lazy to search for > an appropriate translation. What I found was 'Ventury-Düse'. Anyway, absorption refrigerators, including Einstein's, don't have or need expansion valves. > >> It's an absorption refrigerator! They don't have expansion valves or >> compressors! As to liquid butane, I have a canister of it right here. >> Seems to be liquid just fine. >> >>> So, it was imho not an absorption fridge. >> >> You are very, very confused. > > I have heard, this device by Einstein and Szillard was ONLY used in fast > breeding reactors. I have heard the earth is flat. > No other use is known so far. It was used in a project to refrigerate vaccines in third world countries. Set the whole thing on a campfire and it cools the vaccines. >> Your OCD hatred for Einstein has blinded you. You are spewing nonsense >> in response. Why not do something about your OCD hatred? It is eating you alive! >>> >>> Such fridges were and are in common use, of course, but none used the >>> principles of Einstein's fridge. >>> >>> But someone paid for this patent. >> >> Likely Szilard and Einstein. > > No, they were the inventors. But once done inventing, they would want to protect their invention and patent it. If they didn't have a company willing to buy it immediately (I don't know; they did sell rights to it but I don't know details), they'd have to patent it. Einstein, being a former patent clerk, probably knew his way around the system just enough to not overpay for a patent lawyer etc. > > 'Someone paid' means a company, who paid Einstein and Szillard for their > patent. Or Einstein and Szilard themselves, if they didn't have one lined up yet. > > But the payment does not necessarily need to exchange the value of the > patent. Also entirely worthless items can be 'sold', if the reason for a > transfer of money shall be kept secret. Irrelevant. They had a patentable idea, they went through the hoops to get a patent, which including necessary payments for that. Not a big deal. > > As Leo Szillar was the inventor of the atomic bomb, too, a payment for > the fridge could possibly be a hidden payment for the bomb. Once again, absurd. The patent was granted in 1930, fission and neutrons, and therefore atomic bombs and reactors were completely unknown at the time. Or did you think Einstein time traveled to the 1940s, saw the need for a refrigerator for a reactor, said "let me invent a refrigerator for you!", time traveled back to 1926 and invented a refrigerator which wouldn't even work at the temperature range needed (his fridge contained liquid water and liquid butane under some pressure, nuclear reactors would be too hot for that!) Aha!!!! That's it! Einstein time traveled and patented a refrigerator, in the 1920s, just as he promised to the 1940s scientists, but being a pacifist, he invented one completely unsuited for the needs of a reactor! That way he couldn't help create a destructive weapon of war! Einstein the pacifist was so clever doing that!!!! > >> A company bought rights to the patent but AFAIK didn't make a product >> from it. > > No, the payment was in the form of regualr payments for a long period of > time, not in the form of a single price. > > That patent was therefore 'rented', not sold. And how is this relevant? > >>> For such a payment we need a justification. >> >> Einstein and Szilard wanted to protect their intellectual property! That >> is what patents are for. No further justification needed. > > Sure. But usually you see the payment from the perspective of the > tenent/buyer. If there was one at the time. Many inventors patented their own inventions, especially in earlier times. Why does this matter? Oh yes, you have OCD over Einstein. You need to obsess over every hateful detail. > > So, what was the motive of the buyer? At some point a company wanted a refrigerator which didn't need electricity, so they bought rights from them. Seems pretty obvious to me. > >>> I would say, as a guess, that the patent had a value, but was not >>> about a household fridge, but about a part of a reactor. This 'fridge' >>> used molten metalls and very high temperatures and operated on other >>> principles than household absorption fridges. Yet again, without time travel, that is absurdly impossible. >> >> And, in 1926-1930, what use could there be for such a thing? The entire >> concept of breeder reactors, nuclear reactors or even fission was >> completely unknown at the time. > > It is almost entirely impossible to prove statements containing > 'impossible'. Do you believe time travel is impossible? Explain how a patent could be created for something totally unknown for at least a decade in the future. It is amazing your OCD hatred has blinded you so much you don't even recognize the timeline issue of that claim!! > > 'unknown' is similarily impossible to prove, because we can know only > known things. Do you *really* think nuclear reactors and such things as nuclear fission, the neutron, plutonium etc. were known in 1930 (when patent was granted)? In 1926 (when it was invented)?? ABSURD! > > ... >> Also a refrigerator running off ammonia, water and butane as working >> fluids isn't going to work at temperatures of molten metals! > > Sure. > > But butane was not the only substance possible in that patent and > introduced only as an example for an innert fluid. And ammonia? Water? A HUGE part of that refrigerator's workings depends on the great difference in solubility of ammonia in water when cold and when hot. Again, ABSURD, there would be so many differences between the actual invention and a high temperature version with a high temp. version of water and ammonia. But you don't see the absurdity. Your OCD blinds you AGAIN. This is why I enjoy following cranks like yourself, cranks come up with such interesting, illogical ideas, such as traveling some 14 or so years into the past to invent something for a use completely unknown back then. Crackpots such as yourself are so surprising coming up with such ABSURD ideas! And so unpredictable! You never know what a crackpot will come up with next! > > If you scale the temperature range up by far, you could think about > gassous forms of metal, too. > > That would fit far better to 'fast breeding reactor'. Absurd! Again a breeder reactor depends on things completely unknown in 1926! (Plutonium, fission, neutrons, moderators, ...) Thanks for the entertainment, crank! p.s. Get proper treatment for your OCD. Despite your entertainment value as a crackpot, I'd rather see you become mentally better and lose your entertainment value than have your continued entertainment. The opposite would be too self-centered, my entertainment at the great expense of another (you).
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2022-06-18 00:42 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <62AD81D3.2F2B@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #587122 |
Volney wrote: > > On 6/16/2022 1:59 AM, Thomas Heger wrote: > > I have heard, this device by Einstein and Szillard was ONLY used in fast > > breeding reactors. > > I have heard the earth is flat. In 1950, the pump found its use in nuclear industry, in high breeder reactors. https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1709/1709.00666.pdf Nucleur reactors was it's intended purpose from the very beggining. > > Do you *really* think nuclear reactors and such things as nuclear > fission, the neutron, plutonium etc. were known in 1930 (when patent was > granted)? In 1926 (when it was invented)?? ABSURD! You would have to be an...Einstein. further more... Early on, Enrico Fermi was intensively involved with Einstein's theory of relativity and traced the hidden power of atomic nuclei. In 1923, he wrote that it would probably not be possible to release this energy in the near future, "because the first effect would be an explosion so terrible that it would tear the physicist who tried it to pieces". He himself was to unleash this energy two decades later. In the 1920's when Albert Einstein was teaching his students How To Build an Atomic Bomb...and what was needed was to release this energy... A student asked him.. "What do you need to make this happen?" Einstein responded, "You start with Radium." -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
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| Date | 2022-06-18 15:06 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <jh60u0Fa0geU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #587141 |
Am 18.06.2022 um 09:42 schrieb The Starmaker: > Volney wrote: >> >> On 6/16/2022 1:59 AM, Thomas Heger wrote: >>> I have heard, this device by Einstein and Szillard was ONLY used in fast >>> breeding reactors. >> >> I have heard the earth is flat. > > > > In 1950, the pump found its use in nuclear industry, in high breeder > reactors. > > https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1709/1709.00666.pdf As far as I can tell, Einstein went with his parents to Italy, what was different to what the article said. Einstein had to attend school in Italy at that time, because he mas still in the age to have to go to school, hence needed to be fluent in Italian. Another possibility would be, that he was educated by the Jesuits, who had a facility behind the gardan wall of the Einsteins in Padova. His affiliation to Germany was quite small, especially Ulm in Swabia he had only seen as an infant. Most of the time he was living in Switzeland and had Swiss citizenship. Another laguage he could have spoken, was actually French, because he had talked to Marie Curie and to George Lemaitre and attended the Solveig Conference. English on the other hand was not his thing, because he couldn't speak it properly after decades of living in the USA Another funny coincidence is this: https://library.ethz.ch/en/locations-and-media/platforms/short-portraits/hermann-minkowski-1864-1909/_jcr_content/par/textimage/image.imageformat.textdouble.484045774.jpg and this https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/Hermann_einstein.jpg TH
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| From | nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) |
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| Date | 2022-06-16 12:26 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <1ptmyc9.j91j4215vlfpN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> |
| In reply to | #586986 |
Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote: > Am 14.06.2022 um 20:27 schrieb J. J. Lodder: > > Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> wrote: > > > >> On 6/14/2022 2:23 AM, Thomas Heger wrote: > >>> Am 13.06.2022 um 19:04 schrieb Volney: > >>>> On 6/11/2022 6:48 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > >>>>> Volney wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 6/11/2022 12:37 AM, Thomas Heger wrote: > >>>>>>> Am 10.06.2022 um 07:37 schrieb The Starmaker: > >>>>>>>> Most people are not aware... > >>>>>>>> (even among this very newsgroup) > >>>>>>>> that all those Science guys > >>>>>>>> who worked on > >>>>>>>> The Manhattan Project > >>>>>>>> *didn't* want to work on > >>>>>>>> The Manhattan Project. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> They had better things > >>>>>>>> to do than work for > >>>>>>>> Albert Einstein's project. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Those science guys were > >>>>>>>> *forced* to work on > >>>>>>>> The Manhattan Project. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Against their will. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> They were ...drafted. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> The atomic bomb was most likely well known, before the Manhattan > >>>>>>> Project > >>>>>>> even started (most likely known by Einstein himself). > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> The reason: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> the inventor of the atomic bomb Leo Szillard and Einstein have > >>>>>>> patented > >>>>>>> a 'fridge', which has only one known use in a fast breeding reactor. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Totally absurd! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> First, this was patented in 1926, but the science behind breeder > >>>>>> reactors wasn't even known then. The neutron wasn't discovered until > >>>>>> 1932, atomic fission wasn't known until 1938, and plutonium in 1940. > >>>>>> How could something be created for a use which was entirely unknown at > >>>>>> the time of patenting? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Secondly, it does have non-nuclear uses. It has been used to keep > >>>>>> vaccines cold in third world countries, as it only needs heat, no > >>>>>> electricity. It's also very much like propane refrigerators used in > >>>>>> RVs > >>>>>> and "off the grid" people everywhere. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Third, it uses liquid butane and dissolved ammonia in its operation, > >>>>>> which tells me that there is no way it could work at the high > >>>>>> temperatures of a nuclear reactor. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> You apparently got that crap from Starfarter, who also claimed that, > >>>>>> and > >>>>>> also claims many incorrect bizarre claims about Einstein, and many > >>>>>> other > >>>>>> things as well. You should be embarrassed for believing anything from > >>>>>> Starfarter. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Therefore there was a need for such a device already in 1930 in > >>>>>>> Germany. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Like what? Nobody knew of nuclear fission, neutrons or plutonium, much > >>>>>> less the combination of them known as a fast breeding reactor. Or any > >>>>>> nuclear reactor, for that matter. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> And the only known use of a fast breeding reactor is to produce > >>>>>>> Plutonium. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Which was unknown in 1926, and unknown for the next 14 years. BTW > >>>>>> another use of fast breeders is to simply produce electricity/nuclear > >>>>>> power. In fact, ALL nuclear reactors do a little bit of breeding > >>>>>> (making U-238 in their fuel into plutonium, some of which powers the > >>>>>> reactor during the time before it needs refueling, and is one of the > >>>>>> dangerous components of spent fuel). > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> And for this dangerous element we also have only a single known > >>>>>>> reason: > >>>>>>> atomic bombs. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> It can be used for power in nuclear power plants designed to burn > >>>>>> it. In > >>>>>> fact, around 1992, Russia gave the US much of its ex-USSR plutonium so > >>>>>> that it could be used/destroyed in nuclear reactors so couldn't be used > >>>>>> in bombs. (now Putin wants it back :-) ) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> That's why we have to think about Mega-fraud in connection to the > >>>>>>> Manhattan project, too. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> What mega-fraud, and what does the Manhattan project have to do with a > >>>>>> fancy RV refrigerator? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> A 'good' reason for this project could have been, that all > >>>>>>> participants > >>>>>>> were sworn into secrecy, hence could not question the public > >>>>>>> narrative. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> You mean: "If any of us discovers or learns something of extreme > >>>>>> military significance 12 years from now, don't tell ANYONE! Pinky > >>>>>> Promise!!!" > >>>>> > >>>>> You're not even wrong! > >>>>> > >>>>> Your first mistake when you said: > >>>>> "First, this was patented in 1926, but the science behind breeder > >>>>> reactors wasn't even known then." > >>>> > >>>> Invented in 1926, patented Nov 11, 1930. This doesn't affect my point. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> The patent was filed by Einstein in Dec 16, 1927 > >>>>> https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/e9/74/2cde176701fab8/US17 81 > > 541.pdf > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Your second mistake was...when you said.."...but the science behind > >>>>> breeder > >>>>> reactors wasn't even known then." > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> It was Albert Einstein who INVENTED the science behind breeder > >>>>> reactors! > >>>> > >>>> Absurd. Neither Einstein, nor anyone else, knew of nuclear fission, > >>>> neutrons nor plutonium in 1926, knowledge of all of which would be > >>>> needed to even come up with the concept of a "breeder reactor". > >>>> > >>>> The motivation behind his refrigerator invention was reading a newspaper > >>>> story how an entire family was killed when poisonous refrigerant leaked > >>>> from a conventional refrigerator and he wanted to create a refrigerator > >>>> without a seal which could leak. > >>> > >>> > >>> Einstein's fridge could not work. > >> > >> The fact that it *did* work obviously shows that this is wrong. If > >> reality conflicts with a claim, it's not reality which is wrong. > >> > >> It failed commercially because Freon was invented so standard > >> refrigerators could be used without poisonous refrigerants, it wasn't > >> efficient, and rise of Nazism/WW2. > > > > It didn't fail at all. > > 'Absorbtion' refrigerators were marketed until the sixties. > > What killed them was thermal inefficiency. > > And not even that, they are still marketed for mobile applications, > > like camping cars, and other nice applications, > > > > > There has been a group of student, who tried to replicate Einstein's > fridge, but clomplained, it would not work. OK, so flunk them. > I tried to find out, why it wouldn't work and found, it contains no > ventury tube and the third component butane cannot be kept liquid. > > So, it was imho not an absorption fridge. All of you here have failed to notice that Einstein and Szilard had several patents, for several different kinds of fridges, Jan
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| From | Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-06-16 08:30 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <70064bc5-a388-41c9-ab10-6434016eed7dn@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #587040 |
On Thursday, June 16, 2022 at 7:27:00 AM UTC-3, J. J. Lodder wrote: > Thomas Heger <ttt...@web.de> wrote: > > > Am 14.06.2022 um 20:27 schrieb J. J. Lodder: <snip> > All of you here have failed to notice that Einstein and Szilard > had several patents, for several different kinds of fridges, > > Jan Einstein groomed the refugee Szilard, who fell in his hands when fled from his native country. Another victim of the PREDATOR. Szilard was a genius, a polymath, who ended working with Fermi at Chicago in 1942, with security clearance. Einstein gave him a job at Berlin, to pay bills, but Szilard (looking to progress) accepted submissively Einstein's partnership. After all, the clueless fraudster Einstein returned to the ONLY JOB he really knew: A fucking patent clerk, with some knowledge in thermodynamics. Szilard, a desperate Jewish ex-pat, did whatever he needed in order to survive. He learned some tricks from the cretin. But, due to the above, Einstein OWNED Szilard ASS, who had to obey and play the role of "juvenile friend". Meanwhile, another pray was looming on the horizon: Natan Bose. Same Modus Operandi from the cretin predator. Using other's people skills and steal the merits was in his FUCKING BLOOD.
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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
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| Date | 2022-06-17 08:38 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <jh2lq9Fll7iU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #587045 |
Am 16.06.2022 um 17:30 schrieb Richard Hertz: > On Thursday, June 16, 2022 at 7:27:00 AM UTC-3, J. J. Lodder wrote: >> Thomas Heger <ttt...@web.de> wrote: >> >>> Am 14.06.2022 um 20:27 schrieb J. J. Lodder: > > <snip> > >> All of you here have failed to notice that Einstein and Szilard >> had several patents, for several different kinds of fridges, >> >> Jan > > Einstein groomed the refugee Szilard, who fell in his hands when fled from his native country. Another victim of the PREDATOR. > > Szilard was a genius, a polymath, who ended working with Fermi at Chicago in 1942, with security clearance. > > Einstein gave him a job at Berlin, to pay bills, but Szilard (looking to progress) accepted submissively Einstein's partnership. I think, you insist too much on these people. My guess is, that Einstein (et al.) was used as a forfront 'genius', to spray disinformation to the general public. The system behind them must have been way larger than just Einstein and a handful of others. It must have been a HUGE machinery, which was kept hidden and had entire nations in their hands. This system is certainly international, VERY rich and VERY powerful and loves technology and science (as far as they are in control). This system is active and hidden till the present day and several decades in advance in science. What we common mortals do or don't, that is entirely irrelevant (for them). This system is/was, what controlled the activities of the nations and the advancement of science, which included warfare technology. To keep the system invisible, certain decisions were made, which look strange today, but were seemingly a valid method to turn public attention into the wrong direction (from the perspective of the era). Today we need to advance science on the own and need to find out, whether such a system would exist and if, who the people behind it are. We could entertain ourselves now with questioning certain people and their activities, but that would not further our intentions, hence we should not question Einstein as a person. Instead we should analyse the activites of these guys, to understand the machinery behind them. Because the methods of disinformation were so crude in the late 19th and early 20th century, it is often better to analyse that era, rather than our present time, what would make Einstein and the atomic bomb ideal candidates for research. But they as a person were not so interesting as the system behind them. TH
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| From | Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-06-17 00:18 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <4fc97669-5ab6-466b-9d46-197558a93085n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #587092 |
On Friday, June 17, 2022 at 3:38:04 AM UTC-3, Thomas Heger wrote: > Am 16.06.2022 um 17:30 schrieb Richard Hertz: > > On Thursday, June 16, 2022 at 7:27:00 AM UTC-3, J. J. Lodder wrote: > >> Thomas Heger <ttt...@web.de> wrote: > >> > >>> Am 14.06.2022 um 20:27 schrieb J. J. Lodder: > > > > <snip> > > > >> All of you here have failed to notice that Einstein and Szilard > >> had several patents, for several different kinds of fridges, > >> > >> Jan > > > > Einstein groomed the refugee Szilard, who fell in his hands when fled from his native country. Another victim of the PREDATOR. > > > > Szilard was a genius, a polymath, who ended working with Fermi at Chicago in 1942, with security clearance. > > > > Einstein gave him a job at Berlin, to pay bills, but Szilard (looking to progress) accepted submissively Einstein's partnership. > I think, you insist too much on these people. > > My guess is, that Einstein (et al.) was used as a forfront 'genius', to > spray disinformation to the general public. > > The system behind them must have been way larger than just Einstein and > a handful of others. It must have been a HUGE machinery, which was kept > hidden and had entire nations in their hands. > > This system is certainly international, VERY rich and VERY powerful and > loves technology and science (as far as they are in control). > > This system is active and hidden till the present day and several > decades in advance in science. > > What we common mortals do or don't, that is entirely irrelevant (for them). > > This system is/was, what controlled the activities of the nations and > the advancement of science, which included warfare technology. > > To keep the system invisible, certain decisions were made, which look > strange today, but were seemingly a valid method to turn public > attention into the wrong direction (from the perspective of the era). > > Today we need to advance science on the own and need to find out, > whether such a system would exist and if, who the people behind it are. > > We could entertain ourselves now with questioning certain people and > their activities, but that would not further our intentions, hence we > should not question Einstein as a person. Instead we should analyse the > activites of these guys, to understand the machinery behind them. > > Because the methods of disinformation were so crude in the late 19th and > early 20th century, it is often better to analyse that era, rather than > our present time, what would make Einstein and the atomic bomb ideal > candidates for research. > > But they as a person were not so interesting as the system behind them. > > > TH As I told Bodkin a time ago, Einstein is an easy target. The amount of people that I can trigger by attacking the CRETIN is impossible to be surpassed. I'm rather well informed about the life and doings of other celebrities, like Planck, Bohr, Born, Heisenberg, Dirac, Eddington, Pauli, etc., but almost nobody gives a rat ass about them. Also, I could tell things about Fermi, Levi-Civita, Hilbert, Klein, Sommerfeld, de Broglie, etc., but none of them have a history of cretinism during almost their entire life. I could work with Lorentz (a good cretin and boot-licker, as Planck), but it's not funny. They are not iconic. So, I keep beating the bastard in several dimensions, starting with his entire work. And I want to declare here, seriously, that I only wrote about the homosexuality of Einstein only in one thread. You all should be asking: misogynist or women's hater? Because he only beat the crap out of women, not men. And he married his blood-related cousin, only to save face. His personal history is full of intense relationships with men, not women. But, of course, just for the sake of science, nothing else.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2022-06-15 15:12 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <62AA5949.65E8@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #586924 |
Thomas Heger wrote: > > Am 13.06.2022 um 19:04 schrieb Volney: > > On 6/11/2022 6:48 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > >> Volney wrote: > >>> > >>> On 6/11/2022 12:37 AM, Thomas Heger wrote: > >>>> Am 10.06.2022 um 07:37 schrieb The Starmaker: > >>>>> Most people are not aware... > >>>>> (even among this very newsgroup) > >>>>> that all those Science guys > >>>>> who worked on > >>>>> The Manhattan Project > >>>>> *didn't* want to work on > >>>>> The Manhattan Project. > >>>>> > >>>>> They had better things > >>>>> to do than work for > >>>>> Albert Einstein's project. > >>>>> > >>>>> Those science guys were > >>>>> *forced* to work on > >>>>> The Manhattan Project. > >>>>> > >>>>> Against their will. > >>>>> > >>>>> They were ...drafted. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> The atomic bomb was most likely well known, before the Manhattan > >>>> Project > >>>> even started (most likely known by Einstein himself). > >>>> > >>>> The reason: > >>>> > >>>> the inventor of the atomic bomb Leo Szillard and Einstein have patented > >>>> a 'fridge', which has only one known use in a fast breeding reactor. > >>> > >>> Totally absurd! > >>> > >>> First, this was patented in 1926, but the science behind breeder > >>> reactors wasn't even known then. The neutron wasn't discovered until > >>> 1932, atomic fission wasn't known until 1938, and plutonium in 1940. > >>> How could something be created for a use which was entirely unknown at > >>> the time of patenting? > >>> > >>> Secondly, it does have non-nuclear uses. It has been used to keep > >>> vaccines cold in third world countries, as it only needs heat, no > >>> electricity. It's also very much like propane refrigerators used in RVs > >>> and "off the grid" people everywhere. > >>> > >>> Third, it uses liquid butane and dissolved ammonia in its operation, > >>> which tells me that there is no way it could work at the high > >>> temperatures of a nuclear reactor. > >>> > >>> You apparently got that crap from Starfarter, who also claimed that, and > >>> also claims many incorrect bizarre claims about Einstein, and many other > >>> things as well. You should be embarrassed for believing anything from > >>> Starfarter. > >>>> > >>>> Therefore there was a need for such a device already in 1930 in > >>>> Germany. > >>> > >>> Like what? Nobody knew of nuclear fission, neutrons or plutonium, much > >>> less the combination of them known as a fast breeding reactor. Or any > >>> nuclear reactor, for that matter. > >>>> > >>>> And the only known use of a fast breeding reactor is to produce > >>>> Plutonium. > >>> > >>> Which was unknown in 1926, and unknown for the next 14 years. BTW > >>> another use of fast breeders is to simply produce electricity/nuclear > >>> power. In fact, ALL nuclear reactors do a little bit of breeding > >>> (making U-238 in their fuel into plutonium, some of which powers the > >>> reactor during the time before it needs refueling, and is one of the > >>> dangerous components of spent fuel). > >>>> > >>>> And for this dangerous element we also have only a single known reason: > >>>> atomic bombs. > >>> > >>> It can be used for power in nuclear power plants designed to burn it. In > >>> fact, around 1992, Russia gave the US much of its ex-USSR plutonium so > >>> that it could be used/destroyed in nuclear reactors so couldn't be used > >>> in bombs. (now Putin wants it back :-) ) > >>>> > >>>> That's why we have to think about Mega-fraud in connection to the > >>>> Manhattan project, too. > >>> > >>> What mega-fraud, and what does the Manhattan project have to do with a > >>> fancy RV refrigerator? > >>>> > >>>> A 'good' reason for this project could have been, that all participants > >>>> were sworn into secrecy, hence could not question the public narrative. > >>> > >>> You mean: "If any of us discovers or learns something of extreme > >>> military significance 12 years from now, don't tell ANYONE! Pinky > >>> Promise!!!" > >> > >> You're not even wrong! > >> > >> Your first mistake when you said: > >> "First, this was patented in 1926, but the science behind breeder > >> reactors wasn't even known then." > > > > Invented in 1926, patented Nov 11, 1930. This doesn't affect my point. > >> > >> > >> The patent was filed by Einstein in Dec 16, 1927 > >> https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/e9/74/2cde176701fab8/US1781541.pdf > >> > >> > >> Your second mistake was...when you said.."...but the science behind > >> breeder > >> reactors wasn't even known then." > >> > >> > >> It was Albert Einstein who INVENTED the science behind breeder > >> reactors! > > > > Absurd. Neither Einstein, nor anyone else, knew of nuclear fission, > > neutrons nor plutonium in 1926, knowledge of all of which would be > > needed to even come up with the concept of a "breeder reactor". > > > > The motivation behind his refrigerator invention was reading a newspaper > > story how an entire family was killed when poisonous refrigerant leaked > > from a conventional refrigerator and he wanted to create a refrigerator > > without a seal which could leak. > > Einstein's fridge could not work. > > It uses three different substances, and the actual refridgerant is > liquid butane. > > But there is no ventury tube or similar in the path of the butane vapor, > just a tube with a heat exchanger (No 5). > > But the cooling effect is usually caused by expansion of the coolant in > such a tube, which Einstein's fridge didn't have. > > I also see no means, that would keep the butane liquid. > > TH furthermore, there were many patents associated/connected with his REFRIGERATION patent Like...The CHILLER! https://patents.google.com/patent/CH140217A/en?inventor=Einstein+Albert&sort=old Keep Cool Boy! -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2022-06-13 11:45 -0700 |
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On June 11, Volney wrote: > First, this was patented in 1926, but the science behind breeder > reactors wasn't even known then. The neutron wasn't discovered until > 1932, atomic fission wasn't known until 1938, Yukawa proposed his pion theory in 1935. Fission wasn't part of his model? -- Rich
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| From | nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) |
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| Date | 2022-06-14 13:08 +0200 |
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| In reply to | #586906 |
RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> wrote: > On June 11, Volney wrote: > > First, this was patented in 1926, but the science behind breeder > > reactors wasn't even known then. The neutron wasn't discovered until > > 1932, atomic fission wasn't known until 1938, > > Yukawa proposed his pion theory in 1935. > Fission wasn't part of his model? Nope. The first attempt to account for nuclear fission was the Bohr-Wheeler 'droplet model' of the nucleus. (1939) (after fission had been observed) Jan
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