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| From | Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.physics.relativity, sci.electronics.design, sci.math |
| Subject | Re: energy and mass |
| Date | 2026-03-19 15:14 +1100 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <10pft7c$d4ji$6@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
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On 19/03/2026 5:47 am, The Starmaker wrote: > The Starmaker wrote: >> >> Bill Sloman wrote: >>> >>> On 18/03/2026 6:27 pm, The Starmaker wrote: >>>> Bill Sloman wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On 18/03/2026 4:34 am, The Starmaker wrote: >>>>>> Bill Sloman wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 17/03/2026 7:14 pm, The Starmaker wrote: >>>>>>>> Bill Sloman wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 17/03/2026 2:55 am, The Starmaker wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Bill Sloman wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 16/03/2026 3:42 pm, The Starmaker wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Sloman wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/03/2026 8:24 pm, Thomas Heger wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Donnerstag000012, 12.03.2026 um 12:29 schrieb Bill Sloman: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> True. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and isn't worth the effort until you have lots of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> observations to make sense of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nonsense. Your naive positivism is playing up again. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best counterexample: general relativity. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It wasn't based on any observation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sure, it was based on some madness of an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> insane crazy instead. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Einstein was about as sane as anybody could be. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I personally think, that Einstein was what I would call a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'disinformation agent'. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are free to think that. I wouldn't go around telling other people >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that you think that - it would suggest that you had a rather poor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> grasp of reality >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most likely he wasn't even a Jew and a Swiss from birth. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lots of people were happy to claim him as being Jewish after he got >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> famous. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If Einstein wasn't actually a Jew, this would be a possible explanation >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for why he rejected the presidency of Israel, which was offered to him. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would have been quite dangerous, if he had actually accepted and would >>>>>>>>>>>>>> been asked to prove his jewishness. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> A much more likely explanation is that he didn't fancy becoming some >>>>>>>>>>>>> kind of figurehead to be rolled out on ceremonial occasions. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It would have distracted him from the scientific work that he kept on >>>>>>>>>>>>> doing all his life. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Oh Yes, the scientific work that he kept on >>>>>>>>>>>> doing all his life was figuring out how to teleport a Navy war ship from >>>>>>>>>>>> one city to another city... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Einstein was working on...Quantum Teleportation. Called "The Einstein's >>>>>>>>>>>> Continuum of Spatio-Temporal" >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "The Einstein's continuum of spatio-temporal which enabled idea of >>>>>>>>>>>> quantum teleportation, which represents technique of dematerialization >>>>>>>>>>>> of the matter, in one location and 'faxing', namely, electronic >>>>>>>>>>>> transmission to quantum state on the other >>>>>>>>>>>> location, in order to be materialized there." >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> (dematerialization in one location, and materialized on the other >>>>>>>>>>>> location). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Larry Niven described it better - as a science fiction author he had to. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Attributing it to Einstein seems to be pure invention. It didn't show up >>>>>>>>>>> in 1950's science fiction, and Einstein died in 1955. >>>>>>>>>>>> Put simply, it would get you from here to there... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> You. or something that might look very like you. Transforming some 70kgm >>>>>>>>>>> of matter into energy and transforming it back to matter implies >>>>>>>>>>> transmitting great deal of energy. A hydrogen bomb transforms 0.7kgm of >>>>>>>>>>> mass into energy. Transforming the energy into exactly the right sort of >>>>>>>>>>> matter to exactly duplicate you might be tricky >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "exactly duplicate", or making a copy is not how it works. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It is simply a 'cut and paste'. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You cut it from and paste it there. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Like on a computer.. >>>>>>>>>> you just highlight the whole folder with a blue light, then you, >>>>>>>>>> you...cut-and-paste it >>>>>>>>>> to your other hard drive and it reappears there! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Not copy and paste, cut and paste. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> A distinction without meaning. "Cut and paste" is just "copy and paste" >>>>>>>>> followed by "delete the original". Somebody with a very tight memory >>>>>>>>> budget might cut, paste and delete in very small chunks. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You scan each atom >>>>>>>>>> delete it. and paste it there. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Which would mean that there would be a point where you'd have half a >>>>>>>>> person at each end of the link, both dead, unless you could complete the >>>>>>>>> process in less than a millisecond. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> spooky at a distance. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Why do you think Einstein didn't finish it? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Have you any evidence to suggest that Einstein even started on it? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes, you gave us the evidence. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You wrote: "It would have distracted him from the scientific work that >>>>>>>> he kept on doing all his life." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You were referring to his Grand Unified Theory he was working on all his >>>>>>>> life. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What do you think the Grand Unified Theory 'is'? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It includes gravity as well as electromagnetism and the weak and strong >>>>>>> nuclear forces. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In 'science jargon' it's: 'When a mass moves, the force acting on other >>>>>>>> masses had been considered to adjust instantaneously to the new location >>>>>>>> of the displaced mass.' >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In other words... make a ship invisible and transport it to another >>>>>>>> place. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You scan the atom (all the atoms) of the ship, delete it, and paste it >>>>>>>> another place. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Lovely if you could do it, but you probably need to invent a new >>>>>>> universe with new and different physical laws to make it possible >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "The Office of Naval Research (ONR) has stated that the use of force >>>>>>>> fields to make a ship and her crew invisible does not conform to known >>>>>>>> physical laws. >>>>>>>> ONR also claims that Dr. Albert Einstein's Unified Field Theory was >>>>>>>> never completed. >>>>>>>> During 1943-1944, Einstein was a part-time consultant with the Navy's >>>>>>>> Bureau of Ordnance, undertaking theoretical research on explosives and >>>>>>>> explosions. " >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Bureau of Ordance wanted a celebrity name to play with. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think I have around somewhere a blackboard with all the math on it >>>>>>>> 'about getting from here to there' teleportation...celestial mechanics. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://x.com/Starmaker111/status/2033817198998000030/photo/1 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> but it is not finished... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Like a lot of other research projects. Mostly when you dig deep enough, >>>>>>> you find out that an idea is never going to work. If your success rate >>>>>>> is better than 30% you are going to get scooped by other researchers >>>>>>> uncomfortably often. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Good ideas have a nasty habit of striking different people in different >>>>>>> places at much the same time. A friend ended up making $A12 million out >>>>>>> of an idea he patented. Tektronix had applied for a provisional patent >>>>>>> six weeks earlier, but abandoned it without spending the much larger >>>>>>> sums that would have been required to register an actual patent. >>>>>> >>>>>> It's also not science fiction as you claim to be...\\ >>>>> >>>>> It certainly is science fiction, which doesn't stop people having >>>>> half-baked ideas about using it in real life. >>>>> >>>>>> Using refined tools and long series of experiments, Anton Zeilinger started to use entangled quantum states. >>>>>> Among other things, his research group has demonstrated a phenomenon called quantum teleportation, which makes it possible to move a quantum state from one particle to one at a distance. >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=4ae20d8bd47daad1&hl=en&gbv=2&sxsrf=ANbL-n4iBGManDUb2_O74J964ltj7MZlqg%3A1773767645872&q=nobel+prize+quantum+telepor >>>>> >>>>> A quantum state doesn't have any mass. >>>>> >>>>>> The 2022 Nobel Prize in Physics was awarded to Alain Aspect, John F. Clauser, and Anton Zeilinger >>>>>> for their pioneering work on quantum entanglement, which laid the foundation for the field of quantum information science, including quantum teleportation. >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/physics/2022/press-release/#:~:text=Using%20refined%20tools%20and%20long,the%20Nobel%20Committee%20for%20Physics. >>>>>> >>>>>> and that 'blackboard' is Albert Einstein's promotion for...teleportation. >>>>>> >>>>>> https://x.com/Starmaker111/status/2033817198998000030/photo/1 > >>>>>> 'beam me up, Scotty.' >>>>> >>>>> Since Scotty was always pixels on a screen, \it an illusion. >>>>> >>>>>> I notice you have a Scottish accent... >>>>> >>>>> Via my wife I hung out with quite a few dialect experts. My accent is >>>>> educated Australian, slightly soften by 22 years living in England. One >>>>> work colleague - with whom I'm still in contact - is Scottish, but I >>>>> don't seem to have picked up his accent. >>>>> >>>>>> are you slow? >>>>> >>>>> My surname is a west country surname - there are more pages of Slomans >>>>> in the Taunton telephone directory than in the London telephone >>>>> directory - and it is a contraction of Sloughman, who was some who >>>>> farmed bottom land close to a river. >>>>> >>>>> I'm not slow - both my parents had university degrees and I got a Ph.D. >>>>> All my nieces and nephews have been to university and graduated - one >>>>> now works for Google. My father's sister married a very clever vet, who >>>>> ended up with a D.Sc, and both their kids were professors at Adelaide >>>>> University for a bit. It isn't a high prestige school and both moved on >>>>> to better jobs. That is the clever branch of the family. My father's 25 >>>>> patents - I've only got three - instills a certain measure of humility. >> >> From slow +? man, a nickname for a sluggish person. >> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Sloman >> >>>> >>>> Now I understand why teachers blow up in rocketships...the engineers >>>> don't understand physics. >>> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_Challenger_disaster >> >>> >>> The engineers has warned management, "but neither NASA nor the SRB >>> manufacturer Morton Thiokol had addressed this known defect. NASA >>> managers also disregarded engineers' warnings about the dangers of >>> launching in low temperatures and did not report these technical >>> concerns to their superiors." >>> >>> It was a management screw up. The engineers had done their jobs and >>> warned management, but management ignored them. It happens a lot. >>> >> >> "It happens a lot."???? You mean, you look the other way. >> >> then you take bets in the bathroom, will she live or die? >> >> I can bet on that today, can I? Kalshi. >> >> no more bathroom bets. >> >> I bet she dies...I seen the engineers...too weak. >> >> You know, no one ever told the teacher what were the odds... > > Let's call it what it is, the engineers are guilty of negligent MURDER. You've clearly seen "The China Syndrome". It's a fantasy.The engineers are never let close enough to the action to be in a position to intervene, or in the Challenger case, to save anybody's life. -- Bill Sloman, Sydney
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