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| Started by | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| First post | 2022-10-04 00:43 -0700 |
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The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-04 00:43 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-04 06:42 -0500
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe lostgold <matthew.mitton@baxter-academy.org> - 2022-10-04 09:23 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-04 22:45 -0500
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe lostgold <matthew.mitton@baxter-academy.org> - 2022-10-05 05:23 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-05 20:33 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-05 22:45 -0500
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-10-07 09:55 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2022-10-07 19:00 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-07 21:34 -0500
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2022-10-07 19:56 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-10-08 12:17 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Michel Marconi <iinc@lcrallem.or> - 2022-10-08 19:21 +0000
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-10-08 12:25 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Michel Marconi <iinc@lcrallem.or> - 2022-10-08 19:31 +0000
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-10-08 12:42 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-10-08 17:31 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-25 07:18 +0200
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Urbano Stilo <nuor@riotlaur.iu> - 2022-10-08 03:51 +0000
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-23 09:06 +0200
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Oscar Alcheri <ohci@iessicsr.rn> - 2022-10-23 07:25 +0000
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Oscar Alcheri <ohci@iessicsr.rn> - 2022-10-23 18:29 +0000
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Oscar Alcheri <ohci@iessicsr.rn> - 2022-10-23 19:54 +0000
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-07 14:55 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe lostgold <matthew.mitton@baxter-academy.org> - 2022-10-04 09:22 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-10-04 10:11 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-04 11:07 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-10 09:53 +0200
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-10-10 17:51 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-11 07:50 +0200
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-10-11 12:55 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Mandy Stabile <alts@ilnnnbsl.ed> - 2022-10-11 20:17 +0000
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-10-11 13:40 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-12 08:07 +0200
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-10-13 12:17 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-14 08:33 +0200
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-14 09:57 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-15 09:17 +0200
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-15 11:50 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-16 09:22 +0200
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-16 11:39 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-17 08:06 +0200
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-17 14:17 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-18 08:44 +0200
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-10-18 12:14 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-20 20:53 +0200
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-20 12:28 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-21 08:52 +0200
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-21 21:42 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-22 10:32 +0200
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-22 08:43 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-22 10:55 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-22 11:39 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Oscar Alcheri <ohci@iessicsr.rn> - 2022-10-22 18:58 +0000
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-23 08:58 +0200
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-23 12:25 -0700
Sick Einstein Obsession (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-23 14:55 -0500
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-25 07:27 +0200
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-25 10:42 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-27 09:05 +0200
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-27 00:31 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-27 11:10 -0500
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2022-10-27 18:58 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-27 21:37 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-28 04:39 -0500
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-28 10:02 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2022-10-28 19:21 +0200
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-10-28 12:08 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-28 12:42 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2022-10-28 13:14 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-28 16:06 -0500
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-28 16:04 -0500
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-28 16:36 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2022-10-28 18:34 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-28 21:00 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2022-10-28 22:03 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-29 00:40 -0500
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-30 12:57 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-30 16:02 -0500
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-30 17:13 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-30 20:07 -0500
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-29 11:20 -0700
Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-29 14:22 -0500
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-30 07:53 +0100
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-10-30 16:15 -0400
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-31 09:18 +0100
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-10-31 00:51 -0700
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-10-31 14:36 -0400
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) Buddie Fiore <inbe@iieuedi.du> - 2022-10-31 19:28 +0000
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-01 07:27 +0100
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2022-11-01 09:00 +0100
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) Reiner Abbatelli <enre@lbeiet.re> - 2022-11-01 15:53 +0000
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-01 22:51 -0400
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-02 08:40 +0100
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-11-02 00:48 -0700
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2022-11-02 09:10 +0100
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-03 01:11 -0400
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-03 10:37 +0100
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2022-11-03 10:50 +0100
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-03 18:26 -0400
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-04 08:10 +0100
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-05 09:07 +0100
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2022-11-01 09:05 +0100
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-02 08:44 +0100
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-29 23:20 -0700
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-30 07:50 -0500
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-29 00:28 -0500
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-28 16:03 -0500
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-10-29 00:10 -0400
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-29 00:36 -0500
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-28 08:40 +0200
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-26 08:27 +0200
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| From | whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-30 20:07 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <js8lfbFpbn7U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #594454 |
On 10/30/2022 7:13 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > whodat wrote: >> >> On 10/30/2022 2:57 PM, The Starmaker wrote: >>> whodat wrote: >>>> >>>> On 10/29/2022 12:03 AM, Paul Alsing wrote: >>>>> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 9:00:09 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: >>>>>> Paul Alsing wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 4:35:59 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Okay, then tell me...What is the Official Language of Switzerland? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Are you too stuopid to Google this up on your own? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Switzerland >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "The four national languages of Switzerland are German, French, Italian, and Romansh." >>>>>> You deleted the sentence following it: >>>>>> >>>>>> and Italian maintain equal status as Official Languages at the national level within the Federal Administration of the Swiss Confederation. >>>>> >>>>> I didn't delete anything. I provided a link to the entire article and only quoted a relevant line from that article. I have no dog in this hunt and, as always, I am only looking for the pertinent facts of the discussion, facts that you continue to deny. Italian is an official language in Switzerland, along with 3 others, and this fact can not be refuted by you. >>>> >>>> He's trying, to no avail, to save face. Time for him to acknowledge >>>> failure and move on. This entire discussion isn't worth the powder it >>>> would take to blow it to hell so there's no need in fighting past the >>>> bitter end that was reached early in this thread. >>> >>> >>> >>> ...futhermore...let's not forget...that the Italian language is a >>> Europen World language.. it is the most spoken language in the european >>> world! Number 1. >> >> I'm sure that somewhere in all those hedges above you have an obscure >> point supported. However: >> >> CIA, 2020 >> >> According to the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), the 10 most-spoken >> languages (L1 + L2) in 2020 were:[50] >> >> Most-spoken languages, CIA, 2020[50] Language Percentage >> of world population (2020) > > Your vision is no 90/100 > > > I wrote:Italian language is a Europen World language.. it is the most spoken language in the european > world! > > > "Europen World" "european world". I wrote it twice! > > Not the whole wide world. > > > CIA? ane you using AOL search engine?? > > > And, the subject is Albert Einstein. In the days of Albert Einstein. Not today...over 100 years ago > > > Let's start with the Roaman Empire and work your way up to Napoleon. > > > I like Italian Ices. > > > The Mafia, The Godfather, Best Picture. You're babbling because you have no new point to raise. Italian is not the official language of Switzerland. No matter how you attempt to wander this thread, your basic premise and pronouncement are wrong. Whatsamatteryou?
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-29 11:20 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <635D6EE4.6718@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #594357 |
Paul Alsing wrote: > > On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 9:00:09 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: > > Paul Alsing wrote: > > > > > > On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 4:35:59 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > Okay, then tell me...What is the Official Language of Switzerland? > > > > > > Are you too stuopid to Google this up on your own? > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Switzerland > > > > > > "The four national languages of Switzerland are German, French, Italian, and Romansh." > > You deleted the sentence following it: > > > > and Italian maintain equal status as Official Languages at the national level within the Federal Administration of the Swiss Confederation. > > I didn't delete anything. I provided a link to the entire article and only quoted a relevant line from that article. I have no dog in this hunt and, as always, I am only looking for the pertinent facts of the discussion, facts that you continue to deny. Italian is an official language in Switzerland, along with 3 others, and this fact can not be refuted by you. It wasn't revelant since it did not contain the word..."official". But, that's fine..you prefer the word " national "... Okay then, The National language of Switzerland is Italian. Meaning, *nationwide*, countrywide, coast to coast The *nationwide*, countrywide, coast to coast national language of Switzerland is Italian. (i'm sure they speak other languages too, even inglish, i don't know if anybody speaks ...swiss) And with all those other languages...Einstein had to have known how to speak more than one language. (maybe he learned german there too.) The National language of Switzerland is Italian. *nationwide*, countrywide, coast to coast, all the way this way and all the way dat way. Not only here, not only there. -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-29 14:22 -0500 |
| Subject | Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) |
| Message-ID | <js5cr8F9rutU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #594381 |
On 10/29/2022 1:20 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > Paul Alsing wrote: >> >> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 9:00:09 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: >>> Paul Alsing wrote: >>>> >>>> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 4:35:59 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: >>>> >>>>> Okay, then tell me...What is the Official Language of Switzerland? >>>> >>>> Are you too stuopid to Google this up on your own? >>>> >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Switzerland >>>> >>>> "The four national languages of Switzerland are German, French, Italian, and Romansh." >>> You deleted the sentence following it: >>> >>> and Italian maintain equal status as Official Languages at the national level within the Federal Administration of the Swiss Confederation. >> >> I didn't delete anything. I provided a link to the entire article and only quoted a relevant line from that article. I have no dog in this hunt and, as always, I am only looking for the pertinent facts of the discussion, facts that you continue to deny. Italian is an official language in Switzerland, along with 3 others, and this fact can not be refuted by you. > > > It wasn't revelant since it did not contain the word..."official". But, > that's fine..you prefer the word " national "... > > Okay then, The National language of Switzerland is Italian. Meaning, > *nationwide*, countrywide, coast to coast You are the only one who makes this claim. You cannot cite any factual basis for your claim. > The *nationwide*, countrywide, coast to coast national language of > Switzerland is Italian. (i'm sure they speak other languages too, even > inglish, i don't know if anybody speaks ...swiss) Swiss variant of Germain. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_German> > And with all those other languages...Einstein had to have known how to > speak more than one language. (maybe he learned german there too.) As time goes on your claims keep getting more extreme. Many Europeans have a conversant skill in more than one language. I have not found any sources making linguistic claims regarding Einstein. https://www.languageonthemove.com/multilingual-europe/ It became obvious in the later part of the 20th century that bilingual signs began to appear in many parts of Europe. A cousin who spent his entire life there save a few visits to family abroad complained to me about the signs. I pointed out that the future of his nation depends economically on expatriates (like me) and their descendants visiting and they mostly cannot read and write the language of their familial origin even if they speak it or some variant which many do not. It appears you're an armchair expert on many topics for which you have no actual knowledge. Arguing about such topics will eventually educate you about them. But in the meantime you look like a complete idiot because you speak as though you were an expert on topics for which you have no knowledge. > The National language of Switzerland is Italian. Nope. See: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Switzerland> Your claim correctly restated could be "Italian is one of several official languages spoken in Switzerland." > *nationwide*, > countrywide, > coast to coast, > all the way this way and all the way dat way. > Not only here, not only there. You really do get desperate when you're shown to be wrong. At the very least that's a terrible character defect.
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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
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| Date | 2022-10-30 07:53 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) |
| Message-ID | <js6hp2Ffe9tU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #594383 |
Am 29.10.2022 um 21:22 schrieb whodat: >>>>> "The four national languages of Switzerland are German, French, >>>>> Italian, and Romansh." >>>> You deleted the sentence following it: >>>> >>>> and Italian maintain equal status as Official Languages at the >>>> national level within the Federal Administration of the Swiss >>>> Confederation. >>> >>> I didn't delete anything. I provided a link to the entire article and >>> only quoted a relevant line from that article. I have no dog in this >>> hunt and, as always, I am only looking for the pertinent facts of the >>> discussion, facts that you continue to deny. Italian is an official >>> language in Switzerland, along with 3 others, and this fact can not >>> be refuted by you. >> >> >> It wasn't revelant since it did not contain the word..."official". But, >> that's fine..you prefer the word " national "... >> >> Okay then, The National language of Switzerland is Italian. Meaning, >> *nationwide*, countrywide, coast to coast > > You are the only one who makes this claim. You cannot cite any factual > basis for your claim. > >> The *nationwide*, countrywide, coast to coast national language of >> Switzerland is Italian. (i'm sure they speak other languages too, even >> inglish, i don't know if anybody speaks ...swiss) > > Swiss variant of Germain. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_German> > >> And with all those other languages...Einstein had to have known how to >> speak more than one language. (maybe he learned german there too.) > > As time goes on your claims keep getting more extreme. Many Europeans > have a conversant skill in more than one language. I have not found > any sources making linguistic claims regarding Einstein. My point was, that einstein was very poor in learning English, besides of living a decade in the USA, while apparently spoke French and Italian besides of German. Italian and French are naturall guesses only, because that is actually unknown. But he had close contact to people, who most likely didn't speak German. He also attended conferences, which were held in French. For instance a close friend was Michele Besso, who was Italian. Einstein had also frequent contact to George Lemaitre, Marie Curie, Poincaré and Langvin. From this I would draw the conclusion, that he was able to speak the required languages (French and Italian). Now this wouldn't fit to his official biography, as Ulm or Munich are not tri-lingual. A much better guess would be, that his biography was a fake and he was actually a Swiss citizen from birth. This would also explain his strange migration and his hostile attitudes towards Germany. ... TH
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| From | Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2022-10-30 16:15 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) |
| Message-ID | <tjmm1o$94j4$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #594410 |
On 10/30/2022 2:53 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
> Am 29.10.2022 um 21:22 schrieb whodat:
>
>>> And with all those other languages...Einstein had to have known how to
>>> speak more than one language. (maybe he learned german there too.)
>>
>> As time goes on your claims keep getting more extreme. Many Europeans
>> have a conversant skill in more than one language. I have not found
>> any sources making linguistic claims regarding Einstein.
>
> My point was, that einstein was very poor in learning English, besides
> of living a decade in the USA, while apparently spoke French and Italian
> besides of German.
Einstein didn't come to the US until he was 54. It's not easy to learn a
language at that age. He also had trouble with the (frequently awful)
spelling of English.
>
> Italian and French are naturall guesses only, because that is actually
> unknown.
Not unknown. He was graded in French and Italian at Aargau Kantonsschule.
>
> But he had close contact to people, who most likely didn't speak German.
>
> He also attended conferences, which were held in French.
Apparently he could speak amazingly fluent French.
>
> For instance a close friend was Michele Besso, who was Italian. Einstein
> had also frequent contact to George Lemaitre, Marie Curie, Poincaré and
> Langvin.
>
> From this I would draw the conclusion, that he was able to speak the
> required languages (French and Italian).
Correct.
Translation of a letter to Tullio Levi-Civita, 17 March 1915:
“I shall be delighted if next time you write me in Italian. I spent
over half a year in Italy as a young man and at that time had the
pleasure of visiting the charming little town of Padova, and even now I
still enjoy being able to apply my modest knowledge of the Italian
language. On the other hand, I could not muster up the courage to write
you in Italian, because the result would be far too clumsy and unclear.”
> Now this wouldn't fit to his official biography, as Ulm or Munich are
> not tri-lingual.
>
> A much better guess would be, that his biography was a fake and he was
> actually a Swiss citizen from birth.
As usual, your guesses are horrible, because they are created by your
hateful anti-Einstein OCD. You still need to see a mental health
professional to get that under control.
>
> This would also explain his strange migration and his hostile attitudes
> towards Germany.
It makes perfect sense for him to be hostile to Germany between 1933 and
1945. And as a pacifist, during WW1 as well.
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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
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| Date | 2022-10-31 09:18 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) |
| Message-ID | <js9b55Fsf38U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #594443 |
Am 30.10.2022 um 21:15 schrieb Volney: > On 10/30/2022 2:53 AM, Thomas Heger wrote: >> Am 29.10.2022 um 21:22 schrieb whodat: >> >>>> And with all those other languages...Einstein had to have known how to >>>> speak more than one language. (maybe he learned german there too.) >>> >>> As time goes on your claims keep getting more extreme. Many Europeans >>> have a conversant skill in more than one language. I have not found >>> any sources making linguistic claims regarding Einstein. >> >> My point was, that einstein was very poor in learning English, besides >> of living a decade in the USA, while apparently spoke French and >> Italian besides of German. > > Einstein didn't come to the US until he was 54. It's not easy to learn a > language at that age. He also had trouble with the (frequently awful) > spelling of English. Einstein started to speak late in life and even his German was poor. But his English after many years at Princton was just terrible. From this I had drawn the conclusion, that language in general was not his thing. Now, any new language takes a couple of years to learn, which is independent of age. It is actually easier to learn a new language late in life, if you have practise in learning. But apparently Einstein didn't do that, as we can see in his English skills. Therefore, it is even more unlikely, that he learned Italian in half a year in Pavia in Italy. So, we need to extend his period in Italy to achieve enough skills in Italian to become a fluent speaker. That is actually possibly, because the former jesuit facility (next door to the Einsteins) house a colledge today, which write on their web-page, that Albert Einstein lived several years next door. But, without going into details, this would not fit to his CV. It is actually unlikely, that his official biography is somehow true, because he migrated (allegedly) as a teenager from Germany to Italy and from there to Swizerland and did so alone, while his family lived in Pavia. Much more likely is a different story, where Einstein never lived in Germany as a kid, but was actually Swiss citizen from birth. Taken this story as true, than everything would fit: he was able to aquire Swiss citizenship, he was able to speak German, Italian and French and went to school in Aarau, studied in Zurich and worked in Bern (all Swiss towns). >> Italian and French are naturall guesses only, because that is actually >> unknown. > > Not unknown. He was graded in French and Italian at Aargau Kantonsschule. Einstein went to school in Aarou for a relative short time (even according to official narrative). But for someone slow in learning languages, two or three years are not enough to become fluent in two new languages. It is therefore necessary to assume, that he was born and raised in a tri-ligual environment, which can only be Swiss. >> But he had close contact to people, who most likely didn't speak German. >> >> He also attended conferences, which were held in French. > > Apparently he could speak amazingly fluent French. Sure. But why then wasn't he able to speak amazingly fluent English after a decade in the USA? >> For instance a close friend was Michele Besso, who was Italian. >> Einstein had also frequent contact to George Lemaitre, Marie Curie, >> Poincaré and Langvin. >> >> From this I would draw the conclusion, that he was able to speak the >> required languages (French and Italian). > > Correct. > > Translation of a letter to Tullio Levi-Civita, 17 March 1915: > “I shall be delighted if next time you write me in Italian. I spent > over half a year in Italy as a young man and at that time had the > pleasure of visiting the charming little town of Padova, and even now I > still enjoy being able to apply my modest knowledge of the Italian > language. On the other hand, I could not muster up the courage to write > you in Italian, because the result would be far too clumsy and unclear.” > >> Now this wouldn't fit to his official biography, as Ulm or Munich are >> not tri-lingual. >> >> A much better guess would be, that his biography was a fake and he was >> actually a Swiss citizen from birth. > > As usual, your guesses are horrible, because they are created by your > hateful anti-Einstein OCD. You still need to see a mental health > professional to get that under control. Well, actually I had no hate against Einstein. That somehow has changed a bit, after I have ploughed through his article for three years. It looks like skilled work of some specialists, which intentionally create pseudo-science crap. I have actually trouble to believe, that Einstein had written these four articles of 1905 himself. The reason is, that in 1905 typewriters were not commonly available and Einstein had to write hundreds of pages by hand. This could only be done at the kitschen table at candle light with ink and feather. But he worked all day and had a young family, which would not really fit to spending thousands of hours with writing articles at night. In my view, that entire story is fraud and fake. And Einstein himself was only a minor piece in that 'game'. >> This would also explain his strange migration and his hostile >> attitudes towards Germany. > > It makes perfect sense for him to be hostile to Germany between 1933 and > 1945. And as a pacifist, during WW1 as well. Hostility towards Germans is still quite common in some parts of Swizerland.
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| From | Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-31 00:51 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) |
| Message-ID | <104899ea-ea74-4bcc-9d17-347f7652d81fn@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #594482 |
On Monday, 31 October 2022 at 08:18:02 UTC+1, Thomas Heger wrote: > Am 30.10.2022 um 21:15 schrieb Volney: > > On 10/30/2022 2:53 AM, Thomas Heger wrote: > >> Am 29.10.2022 um 21:22 schrieb whodat: > >> > >>>> And with all those other languages...Einstein had to have known how to > >>>> speak more than one language. (maybe he learned german there too.) > >>> > >>> As time goes on your claims keep getting more extreme. Many Europeans > >>> have a conversant skill in more than one language. I have not found > >>> any sources making linguistic claims regarding Einstein. > >> > >> My point was, that einstein was very poor in learning English, besides > >> of living a decade in the USA, while apparently spoke French and > >> Italian besides of German. > > > > Einstein didn't come to the US until he was 54. It's not easy to learn a > > language at that age. He also had trouble with the (frequently awful) > > spelling of English. > Einstein started to speak late in life and even his German was poor. He was generally too dumb to handle common language correctly.
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| From | Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2022-10-31 14:36 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) |
| Message-ID | <tjp4jd$i48h$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #594482 |
On 10/31/2022 4:18 AM, Thomas Heger wrote: > Am 30.10.2022 um 21:15 schrieb Volney: >> On 10/30/2022 2:53 AM, Thomas Heger wrote: >>> Am 29.10.2022 um 21:22 schrieb whodat: >>> >>>>> And with all those other languages...Einstein had to have known how to >>>>> speak more than one language. (maybe he learned german there too.) >>>> >>>> As time goes on your claims keep getting more extreme. Many Europeans >>>> have a conversant skill in more than one language. I have not found >>>> any sources making linguistic claims regarding Einstein. >>> >>> My point was, that einstein was very poor in learning English, besides >>> of living a decade in the USA, while apparently spoke French and >>> Italian besides of German. >> >> Einstein didn't come to the US until he was 54. It's not easy to learn a >> language at that age. He also had trouble with the (frequently awful) >> spelling of English. > > > Einstein started to speak late in life and even his German was poor. But > his English after many years at Princton was just terrible. > > From this I had drawn the conclusion, that language in general was not > his thing. Once again, he learned English at 54. > > Now, any new language takes a couple of years to learn, which is > independent of age. Nope. It's known that the older one is, the harder it is to learn a language. Think of it: a baby learns to speak by being exposed to his parents. Multiple languages if multiple languages are spoken in the household. That's what happened with my sister's kids, they learned two languages natively, one from each parent, they are now fluent at both. > > It is actually easier to learn a new language late in life, if you have > practise in learning. Nope, not languages. Not well enough to avoid something like what you say is "terrible" English. (As I understand it his English was ok but he had a really thick German accent that many had trouble understanding) > Therefore, it is even more unlikely, that he learned Italian in half a > year in Pavia in Italy. Yet he asked a correspondent to write him in Italian. > But, without going into details, this would not fit to his CV. So do you know (or are you guessing again) his earlier language education? > > It is actually unlikely, that his official biography is somehow true, Nobody cares what you think, especially given your track record. > Taken this story as true, than everything would fit: Why would anyone believe your story? >>> Italian and French are naturall guesses only, because that is actually >>> unknown. >> >> Not unknown. He was graded in French and Italian at Aargau Kantonsschule. > > > Einstein went to school in Aarou for a relative short time (even > according to official narrative). Yet he was graded in French and Italian and passed. So for whatever reason he knew both languages by then. Your kooky imagined theories are silly and irrelevant. > > But for someone slow in learning languages, two or three years are not > enough to become fluent in two new languages. Remember, we're talking about an extremely smart man here, not your average joe. > > It is therefore necessary to assume, that he was born and raised in a > tri-ligual environment, which can only be Swiss. Again, nobody cares about your silly theories. > >>> But he had close contact to people, who most likely didn't speak German. >>> >>> He also attended conferences, which were held in French. >> >> Apparently he could speak amazingly fluent French. > > > Sure. > > But why then wasn't he able to speak amazingly fluent English after a > decade in the USA? Because he learned French at a young age and English when he was 54. >>> Now this wouldn't fit to his official biography, as Ulm or Munich are >>> not tri-lingual. >>> >>> A much better guess would be, that his biography was a fake and he was >>> actually a Swiss citizen from birth. >> >> As usual, your guesses are horrible, because they are created by your >> hateful anti-Einstein OCD. You still need to see a mental health >> professional to get that under control. > > > Well, actually I had no hate against Einstein. Hate may be excessive, but you certainly want to bring him down which is hardly admiration. And you certainly are obsessed with him. At least you aren't as bad as Richard Hertz. > I have actually trouble to believe, that Einstein had written these four > articles of 1905 himself. > > The reason is, that in 1905 typewriters were not commonly available and > Einstein had to write hundreds of pages by hand. > > This could only be done at the kitschen table at candle light with ink > and feather. You do realize that the light bulb was invented by then, as well as oil lamps. Typewriters were readily available but possibly expensive as well then. And definitely better pens than feathers. Or do you believe Einstein wrote his papers in 1805, not 1905? > In my view, that entire story is fraud and fake. And Einstein himself > was only a minor piece in that 'game'. Again, nobody cares about your made-up kooky beliefs. > >>> This would also explain his strange migration and his hostile >>> attitudes towards Germany. >> >> It makes perfect sense for him to be hostile to Germany between 1933 and >> 1945. And as a pacifist, during WW1 as well. > > Hostility towards Germans is still quite common in some parts of > Swizerland. They do want to keep their variant of German distinct. > >
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| From | Buddie Fiore <inbe@iieuedi.du> |
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| Date | 2022-10-31 19:28 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) |
| Message-ID | <tjp7kh$ibt4$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #594511 |
Volney wrote: > On 10/31/2022 4:18 AM, Thomas Heger wrote: >> Einstein started to speak late in life and even his German was poor. >> But his English after many years at Princton was just terrible. >> From this I had drawn the conclusion, that language in general was not >> his thing. > > Once again, he learned English at 54. you must be kidding. This stupid was him not. Reminds me of an ugly fat bitch from *IMF_World_Bank*, saying on live TV, that they "are waiting for YOU, people, to get vaccinated". Apparently not making sense, but it did. They wanted to know how many of you vaccinated wankers are going to be alive in 1 year, 5 and 10, etc so they know how many *funny_money* they are going to *make*. Same story with these ugly khazar bitches *money_makers* as it is described in The Bible.
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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
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| Date | 2022-11-01 07:27 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) |
| Message-ID | <jsbsgdFb6ctU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #594511 |
Am 31.10.2022 um 19:36 schrieb Volney: ... >> Einstein started to speak late in life and even his German was poor. >> But his English after many years at Princton was just terrible. >> >> From this I had drawn the conclusion, that language in general was >> not his thing. > > Once again, he learned English at 54. >> >> Now, any new language takes a couple of years to learn, which is >> independent of age. > > Nope. It's known that the older one is, the harder it is to learn a > language. Think of it: a baby learns to speak by being exposed to his > parents. Multiple languages if multiple languages are spoken in the > household. That's what happened with my sister's kids, they learned two > languages natively, one from each parent, they are now fluent at both. a baby learns also inside the body of his mother. Until a baby finally speaks, the neurons in the brain had almost three years to develop in the appropriate order. Now three years is much longer than Einstein had to learn Italian and French. But I know elederly people, who had learned a new language in less than a year. So: these people apparently had neurons availible, which are able and willing to learn something new. This is a 'learn how to learn' thing and also a skill, which some people have (but definitely not all). >> It is actually easier to learn a new language late in life, if you >> have practise in learning. > > Nope, not languages. Not well enough to avoid something like what you > say is "terrible" English. (As I understand it his English was ok but he > had a really thick German accent that many had trouble understanding) Einstein had a LOT of opportunity and incentive to learn English at Princton. If he had not achieved a little more than high school level in a decade, we are safe to assume, that his brain was not prepared for learning new languages. >> Therefore, it is even more unlikely, that he learned Italian in half a >> year in Pavia in Italy. > > Yet he asked a correspondent to write him in Italian. Sure, he was fluent in Italian. But WHY and HOW did he get fluent in Italian? >> But, without going into details, this would not fit to his CV. > > So do you know (or are you guessing again) his earlier language education? Sure. My guess was: he was born as a Swiss citizen and his biography was a fake. >> It is actually unlikely, that his official biography is somehow true, > > Nobody cares what you think, especially given your track record. Sure, but it is actually not my biography what we are discussing now, but the CV of Einstein. >> Taken this story as true, than everything would fit: > > Why would anyone believe your story? Most people think very conventionally and this would include scepticism against stories, which look like a fake. ... TH
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| From | Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> |
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| Date | 2022-11-01 09:00 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) |
| Message-ID | <jsc20eFbvbnU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #594542 |
On 2022-11-01 06:27:16 +0000, Thomas Heger said: > Am 31.10.2022 um 19:36 schrieb Volney: > ... >>> Einstein started to speak late in life and even his German was poor. >>> But his English after many years at Princton was just terrible. >>> >>> From this I had drawn the conclusion, that language in general was >>> not his thing. >> >> Once again, he learned English at 54. >>> >>> Now, any new language takes a couple of years to learn, which is >>> independent of age. >> >> Nope. It's known that the older one is, the harder it is to learn a >> language. Think of it: a baby learns to speak by being exposed to his >> parents. Multiple languages if multiple languages are spoken in the >> household. That's what happened with my sister's kids, they learned two >> languages natively, one from each parent, they are now fluent at both. > > > a baby learns also inside the body of his mother. > > Until a baby finally speaks, the neurons in the brain had almost three > years to develop in the appropriate order. > > Now three years is much longer than Einstein had to learn Italian and French. > > But I know elederly people, who had learned a new language in less than a year. Not impossible, but unusual. -- Athel -- French and British, living mainly in England until 1987.
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| From | Reiner Abbatelli <enre@lbeiet.re> |
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| Date | 2022-11-01 15:53 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) |
| Message-ID | <tjrfen$qb25$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #594542 |
Thomas Heger wrote: > Am 31.10.2022 um 19:36 schrieb Volney: >> Tm9wZS4gSXQncyBrbm93biB0aGF0IHRoZSBvbGRlciBvbmUgaXMsIHRoZSBoYXJkZXIgaXQgaXMgdG8gbGVhcm4gYQ== >> bGFuZ3VhZ2UuIFRoaW5rIG9mIGl0OiBhIGJhYnkgbGVhcm5zIHRvIHNwZWFrIGJ5IGJlaW5nIGV4cG9zZWQgdG8gaGlz >> cGFyZW50cy4gTXVsdGlwbGUgbGFuZ3VhZ2VzIGlmIG11bHRpcGxlIGxhbmd1YWdlcyBhcmUgc3Bva2VuIGluIHRoZQ== >> aG91c2Vob2xkLiBUaGF0J3Mgd2hhdCBoYXBwZW5lZCB3aXRoIG15IHNpc3RlcidzIGtpZHMsIHRoZXkgbGVhcm5lZCB0d28= >> bGFuZ3VhZ2VzIG5hdGl2ZWx5LCBvbmUgZnJvbSBlYWNoIHBhcmVudCwgdGhleSBhcmUgbm93IGZsdWVudCBhdCBib3RoLg== > > a baby learns also inside the body of his mother. > Until a baby finally speaks, the neurons in the brain had almost three > years to develop in the appropriate order. > Now three years is much longer than Einstein had to learn Italian and > French. not true. Before Italian and French, he had to learn Physics. And math. Until 1915 he didn't know tensors, that's for sure. Moreover, physics without tensors is impossible.
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| From | Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2022-11-01 22:51 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) |
| Message-ID | <tjslv0$vv3m$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #594542 |
On 11/1/2022 2:27 AM, Thomas Heger wrote: > Am 31.10.2022 um 19:36 schrieb Volney: > ... >>> Einstein started to speak late in life and even his German was poor. >>> But his English after many years at Princton was just terrible. >>> >>> From this I had drawn the conclusion, that language in general was >>> not his thing. >> >> Once again, he learned English at 54. >>> >>> Now, any new language takes a couple of years to learn, which is >>> independent of age. >> >> Nope. It's known that the older one is, the harder it is to learn a >> language. Think of it: a baby learns to speak by being exposed to his >> parents. Multiple languages if multiple languages are spoken in the >> household. That's what happened with my sister's kids, they learned two >> languages natively, one from each parent, they are now fluent at both. > > > a baby learns also inside the body of his mother. > > Until a baby finally speaks, the neurons in the brain had almost three > years to develop in the appropriate order. > > Now three years is much longer than Einstein had to learn Italian and > French. We don't know when and how Einstein learned Italian and French. Just that he did. Since he was described as fluent in French, he must have learned rather young. > > But I know elederly people, who had learned a new language in less than > a year. That's unusual. How well could they speak it? Were they as clumsy with their new languages as Einstein was with English? But some people are wired for languages, most aren't. > > So: these people apparently had neurons availible, which are able and > willing to learn something new. > > This is a 'learn how to learn' thing and also a skill, which some people > have (but definitely not all). You have to have a knack for languages as well. > >>> It is actually easier to learn a new language late in life, if you >>> have practise in learning. >> >> Nope, not languages. Not well enough to avoid something like what you >> say is "terrible" English. (As I understand it his English was ok but he >> had a really thick German accent that many had trouble understanding) > > > Einstein had a LOT of opportunity and incentive to learn English at > Princton. And he did learn English. > > If he had not achieved a little more than high school level in a decade, > we are safe to assume, that his brain was not prepared for learning new > languages. Just because he was a genius doesn't mean he was a genius at languages. > > >>> Therefore, it is even more unlikely, that he learned Italian in half a >>> year in Pavia in Italy. >> >> Yet he asked a correspondent to write him in Italian. > > > Sure, he was fluent in Italian. > > But WHY and HOW did he get fluent in Italian? It may be a mystery. > >>> But, without going into details, this would not fit to his CV. >> >> So do you know (or are you guessing again) his earlier language >> education? > > > Sure. My guess was: he was born as a Swiss citizen and his biography was > a fake. At least you admit your stupid guess was a guess. Now you need to admit that it's stupid. >>> It is actually unlikely, that his official biography is somehow true, >> >> Nobody cares what you think, especially given your track record. > > Sure, but it is actually not my biography what we are discussing now, > but the CV of Einstein. Nobody cares about your opinion of the CV of Einstein. > >>> Taken this story as true, than everything would fit: >> >> Why would anyone believe your story? > > > Most people think very conventionally and this would include scepticism > against stories, which look like a fake. Not at all likely to be a fake.
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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
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| Date | 2022-11-02 08:40 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) |
| Message-ID | <jsel7dFo6j1U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #594577 |
Am 02.11.2022 um 03:51 schrieb Volney: > On 11/1/2022 2:27 AM, Thomas Heger wrote: >> Am 31.10.2022 um 19:36 schrieb Volney: >> ... >>>> Einstein started to speak late in life and even his German was poor. >>>> But his English after many years at Princton was just terrible. >>>> >>>> From this I had drawn the conclusion, that language in general was >>>> not his thing. >>> >>> Once again, he learned English at 54. >>>> >>>> Now, any new language takes a couple of years to learn, which is >>>> independent of age. >>> >>> Nope. It's known that the older one is, the harder it is to learn a >>> language. Think of it: a baby learns to speak by being exposed to his >>> parents. Multiple languages if multiple languages are spoken in the >>> household. That's what happened with my sister's kids, they learned two >>> languages natively, one from each parent, they are now fluent at both. >> >> >> a baby learns also inside the body of his mother. >> >> Until a baby finally speaks, the neurons in the brain had almost three >> years to develop in the appropriate order. >> >> Now three years is much longer than Einstein had to learn Italian and >> French. > > We don't know when and how Einstein learned Italian and French. Just > that he did. Since he was described as fluent in French, he must have > learned rather young. >> >> But I know elederly people, who had learned a new language in less >> than a year. > > That's unusual. > How well could they speak it? Were they as clumsy with their new > languages as Einstein was with English? But some people are wired for > languages, most aren't. >> >> So: these people apparently had neurons availible, which are able and >> willing to learn something new. >> >> This is a 'learn how to learn' thing and also a skill, which some >> people have (but definitely not all). > > You have to have a knack for languages as well. >> >>>> It is actually easier to learn a new language late in life, if you >>>> have practise in learning. >>> >>> Nope, not languages. Not well enough to avoid something like what you >>> say is "terrible" English. (As I understand it his English was ok but he >>> had a really thick German accent that many had trouble understanding) >> >> >> Einstein had a LOT of opportunity and incentive to learn English at >> Princton. > > And he did learn English. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uc1tzwP8GHo Sure, he could speak English. But it seems, as if he would read his speech from a manuscript. The pronounciation is also very bad and he had a very heavy German accent. This was a video from after a decade in the USA. It is actually unsual, to speak English with such a heavy accent after such a long time, because it's the environment, which dictates how we speak and how that sounds like. If you live in a foreign country long enough, you will inevetably speak the local language, because the human brain is made to communicate and you can only communicate with peeople which are actually there. Since Einstein spoke quite poor English, we are forced to assume, that his brain was not really prepared to learn the local language, which was, of course, English at Princton. But if so, how did he manage to learn French and Italian at a relatively young age? ... TH
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| From | Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-11-02 00:48 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) |
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On Wednesday, 2 November 2022 at 08:40:34 UTC+1, Thomas Heger wrote: > Am 02.11.2022 um 03:51 schrieb Volney: > > On 11/1/2022 2:27 AM, Thomas Heger wrote: > >> Am 31.10.2022 um 19:36 schrieb Volney: > >> ... > >>>> Einstein started to speak late in life and even his German was poor. > >>>> But his English after many years at Princton was just terrible. > >>>> > >>>> From this I had drawn the conclusion, that language in general was > >>>> not his thing. > >>> > >>> Once again, he learned English at 54. > >>>> > >>>> Now, any new language takes a couple of years to learn, which is > >>>> independent of age. > >>> > >>> Nope. It's known that the older one is, the harder it is to learn a > >>> language. Think of it: a baby learns to speak by being exposed to his > >>> parents. Multiple languages if multiple languages are spoken in the > >>> household. That's what happened with my sister's kids, they learned two > >>> languages natively, one from each parent, they are now fluent at both. > >> > >> > >> a baby learns also inside the body of his mother. > >> > >> Until a baby finally speaks, the neurons in the brain had almost three > >> years to develop in the appropriate order. > >> > >> Now three years is much longer than Einstein had to learn Italian and > >> French. > > > > We don't know when and how Einstein learned Italian and French. Just > > that he did. Since he was described as fluent in French, he must have > > learned rather young. > >> > >> But I know elederly people, who had learned a new language in less > >> than a year. > > > > That's unusual. > > How well could they speak it? Were they as clumsy with their new > > languages as Einstein was with English? But some people are wired for > > languages, most aren't. > >> > >> So: these people apparently had neurons availible, which are able and > >> willing to learn something new. > >> > >> This is a 'learn how to learn' thing and also a skill, which some > >> people have (but definitely not all). > > > > You have to have a knack for languages as well. > >> > >>>> It is actually easier to learn a new language late in life, if you > >>>> have practise in learning. > >>> > >>> Nope, not languages. Not well enough to avoid something like what you > >>> say is "terrible" English. (As I understand it his English was ok but he > >>> had a really thick German accent that many had trouble understanding) > >> > >> > >> Einstein had a LOT of opportunity and incentive to learn English at > >> Princton. > > > > And he did learn English. > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uc1tzwP8GHo > > Sure, he could speak English. Both absolute time and Euclidean geometry are built-ins of any modern common language. So, while poor idiot Einstein could learn the basics, more advances mechanisms were out of his range.
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| From | Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> |
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| Date | 2022-11-02 09:10 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) |
| Message-ID | <jsen09FoebnU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #594590 |
On 2022-11-02 07:40:25 +0000, Thomas Heger said: > > [ … ] > > > Sure, he could speak English. But it seems, as if he would read his > speech from a manuscript. > > The pronounciation is also very bad and he had a very heavy German accent. > > This was a video from after a decade in the USA. It is actually unsual, > to speak English with such a heavy accent after such a long time, > because it's the environment, which dictates how we speak and how that > sounds like. I'm not sure if your "unsual" means "usual" or "unusual", but either way you're oversimplifying and ignoring the fact that different people are different. In 2005 I met someone of German origin who had left Germany in 1938 in circumstances that you can imagine, moving first to India (Madras), where he went to university, and from there to the USA (Chicago). When I met him he had lived in an anglophone environment for more than 65 years, but he still spoke English with an obvious German accent. > > If you live in a foreign country long enough, you will inevetably speak > the local language, Oversimplifying again. > because the human brain is made to communicate and you can only > communicate with peeople which are actually there. > > Since Einstein spoke quite poor English, we are forced to assume, that > his brain was not really prepared to learn the local language, which > was, of course, English at Princton. > > But if so, how did he manage to learn French and Italian at a > relatively young age? Are you really so ignorant that you haven't realized that younger people learn languages faster and more fully than older people? -- Athel -- French and British, living mainly in England until 1987.
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| From | Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2022-11-03 01:11 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) |
| Message-ID | <tjvih7$1d89e$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #594590 |
On 11/2/2022 3:40 AM, Thomas Heger wrote: > Am 02.11.2022 um 03:51 schrieb Volney: >> On 11/1/2022 2:27 AM, Thomas Heger wrote: >>> Am 31.10.2022 um 19:36 schrieb Volney: >>> ... >>>>> Einstein started to speak late in life and even his German was poor. >>>>> But his English after many years at Princton was just terrible. >>>>> >>>>> From this I had drawn the conclusion, that language in general was >>>>> not his thing. >>>> >>>> Once again, he learned English at 54. >>>>> >>>>> Now, any new language takes a couple of years to learn, which is >>>>> independent of age. >>>> >>>> Nope. It's known that the older one is, the harder it is to learn a >>>> language. Think of it: a baby learns to speak by being exposed to his >>>> parents. Multiple languages if multiple languages are spoken in the >>>> household. That's what happened with my sister's kids, they learned two >>>> languages natively, one from each parent, they are now fluent at both. >>> >>> >>> a baby learns also inside the body of his mother. >>> >>> Until a baby finally speaks, the neurons in the brain had almost three >>> years to develop in the appropriate order. >>> >>> Now three years is much longer than Einstein had to learn Italian and >>> French. >> >> We don't know when and how Einstein learned Italian and French. Just >> that he did. Since he was described as fluent in French, he must have >> learned rather young. >>> >>> But I know elederly people, who had learned a new language in less >>> than a year. >> >> That's unusual. >> How well could they speak it? Were they as clumsy with their new >> languages as Einstein was with English? But some people are wired for >> languages, most aren't. >>> >>> So: these people apparently had neurons availible, which are able and >>> willing to learn something new. >>> >>> This is a 'learn how to learn' thing and also a skill, which some >>> people have (but definitely not all). >> >> You have to have a knack for languages as well. >>> >>>>> It is actually easier to learn a new language late in life, if you >>>>> have practise in learning. >>>> >>>> Nope, not languages. Not well enough to avoid something like what you >>>> say is "terrible" English. (As I understand it his English was ok >>>> but he >>>> had a really thick German accent that many had trouble understanding) >>> >>> >>> Einstein had a LOT of opportunity and incentive to learn English at >>> Princton. >> >> And he did learn English. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uc1tzwP8GHo > > Sure, he could speak English. But it seems, as if he would read his > speech from a manuscript. > > The pronounciation is also very bad and he had a very heavy German accent. As expected from learning English at 54. You will almost always have an accent when learning a language after around age 8 or so. > > This was a video from after a decade in the USA. It is actually unsual, > to speak English with such a heavy accent after such a long time, > because it's the environment, which dictates how we speak and how that > sounds like. No, since he learned English at an older age. Here in the US, over our history we've accepted over time different waves of immigrant groups, each with their own language. Almost all the time older immigrants learned English poorly if at all, and the families lived in certain areas or city neighborhoods with others from the same area, leading to things like Chinatowns or Little Italys in major cities or the "Pennsylvania Dutch" (Germans, 'Deutsch'=German in German). However the young kids, and especially those born here learned English just fine, even if the older language was spoken at home. > If you live in a foreign country long enough, you will inevetably speak > the local language, because the human brain is made to communicate and > you can only communicate with peeople which are actually there. True but the accent and other issues will remain. My wife learned English as an older child, her English was good but obviously was not a native speaker. Despite being in the US for 20 years her English hasn't gotten much better. She tells me she still thinks in her native language and essentially translates internally from and to English. It actually tires her over long periods of listening to/speaking English. I suspect Einstein was the same, at least with English. There are the old Pennsylvania Dutch jokes how German natives may say something like "Throw the horse over the fence some hay." With proper cases (missing in English) those words one for one in German make sense. She has her own similar awkwardnesses. > > Since Einstein spoke quite poor English, we are forced to assume, "We" who? > that > his brain was not really prepared to learn the local language, which > was, of course, English at Princton. Because he was older. > > But if so, how did he manage to learn French and Italian at a relatively > young age? Duh-h-h-h!!! He was YOUNG! It's MUCH easier to learn a language when you are young. He learned English at 54.
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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
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| Date | 2022-11-03 10:37 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) |
| Message-ID | <jshgf3F73sqU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #594609 |
Am 03.11.2022 um 06:11 schrieb Volney: >>>> >>>> Einstein had a LOT of opportunity and incentive to learn English at >>>> Princton. >>> >>> And he did learn English. >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uc1tzwP8GHo >> >> Sure, he could speak English. But it seems, as if he would read his >> speech from a manuscript. >> >> The pronounciation is also very bad and he had a very heavy German >> accent. > > As expected from learning English at 54. You will almost always have an > accent when learning a language after around age 8 or so. It was not only the heavy accent, but also the fact, that he had to read his simple statements from a manuscript. But a scientist speaking in his field of expertise would certainly don't need a script to present a few basics of his theory. This manuscript itself could possibly been written by a third unknown party and his heavy accent was actually all he had to offer in English. So we have to ask the same question again about the other works of Einstein and whether he was the actual author (or 'Q'). Look at this_ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein Now ask yourself the question, whether his early years are somehow plausible. I would say: no. His CV makes no sense, because teenagers usually don't do what Einstein did. Therefore, we could search for an alternative explanation of the same events. One possibility would be, that his biography was faked by some sort of agency, most likely related to the Jesuits and/or to Swizerland. This may sound a little far fetched. But the Catholic Church had a long history of interfering with science. According to this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTiztUNrhhM a lot of really good scientists got surpressed, like Kepler or Leibnitz for instance. Then almost the same ideas were later presented by people, who were allegedly agents like Newton, Gallileo or Gordano Bruno. Now: what if these people still exist and still want to surpress science? Wouldn't a celebrated piece of crap be the best way to do that? TH
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| From | Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> |
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| Date | 2022-11-03 10:50 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) |
| Message-ID | <jshh72F779uU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #594614 |
On 2022-11-03 09:37:35 +0000, Thomas Heger said: > Am 03.11.2022 um 06:11 schrieb Volney: > >>>>> >>>>> Einstein had a LOT of opportunity and incentive to learn English at >>>>> Princton. >>>> >>>> And he did learn English. >>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uc1tzwP8GHo >>> >>> Sure, he could speak English. But it seems, as if he would read his >>> speech from a manuscript. >>> >>> The pronounciation is also very bad and he had a very heavy German >>> accent. >> >> As expected from learning English at 54. You will almost always have an >> accent when learning a language after around age 8 or so. > > It was not only the heavy accent, but also the fact, that he had to > read his simple statements from a manuscript. You give the impression of having no experience at all with real scientists giving lectures. Some are good at it; others are not. It has very little to do with the quality of the science. > > But a scientist speaking in his field of expertise would certainly > don't need a script to present a few basics of his theory. Nonsense. > > This manuscript itself could possibly been written by a third unknown > party and his heavy accent was actually all he had to offer in English. Fantasy. > > > So we have to ask the same question again about the other works of > Einstein and whether he was the actual author (or 'Q'). > > Look at this_ > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein > > Now ask yourself the question, whether his early years are somehow plausible. > > I would say: no. His CV makes no sense, because teenagers usually don't > do what Einstein did. > > Therefore, we could search for an alternative explanation of the same events. > > One possibility would be, that his biography was faked by some sort of > agency, most likely related to the Jesuits and/or to Swizerland. > > This may sound a little far fetched. But the Catholic Church had a long > history of interfering with science. > > According to this video > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTiztUNrhhM > a lot of really good scientists got surpressed, like Kepler or Leibnitz > for instance. Then almost the same ideas were later presented by > people, who were allegedly agents like Newton, Gallileo or Gordano > Bruno. > > Now: what if these people still exist and still want to surpress science? > > Wouldn't a celebrated piece of crap be the best way to do that? > > > > TH -- Athel -- French and British, living mainly in England until 1987.
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| From | Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2022-11-03 18:26 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) |
| Message-ID | <tk1f7d$1i7al$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #594614 |
On 11/3/2022 5:37 AM, Thomas Heger wrote: > Am 03.11.2022 um 06:11 schrieb Volney: > >>>>> >>>>> Einstein had a LOT of opportunity and incentive to learn English at >>>>> Princton. >>>> >>>> And he did learn English. >>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uc1tzwP8GHo >>> >>> Sure, he could speak English. But it seems, as if he would read his >>> speech from a manuscript. >>> >>> The pronounciation is also very bad and he had a very heavy German >>> accent. >> >> As expected from learning English at 54. You will almost always have an >> accent when learning a language after around age 8 or so. > > It was not only the heavy accent, but also the fact, that he had to read > his simple statements from a manuscript. From learning English so late, his command of the language was poor. It would be better to have written notes than to fumble over some English word he momentarily forgot in the middle of a speech or lecture. And Einstein knew this. > > But a scientist speaking in his field of expertise would certainly don't > need a script to present a few basics of his theory. In his native language, yes but one he had trouble with? Certainly makes sense. > > > This manuscript itself could possibly been written by a third unknown > party and his heavy accent was actually all he had to offer in English. And your evidence for this ko0ky belief is what? Why wouldn't he have written the notes himself? > > > So we have to ask We who? You're just one crank. > the same question again about the other works of > Einstein and whether he was the actual author (or 'Q'). Why? > > Look at this_ > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein > > Now ask yourself the question, whether his early years are somehow > plausible. Makes sense to me. Did you follow all the references to see the source for all the statements that you have issues with? If not, why not? > > I would say: no. Nobody cares what you think. > His CV makes no sense, because teenagers usually don't > do what Einstein did. Most teenagers. It is obvious he was a "nerd" when he was a child. > > Therefore, we could search We who? > for an alternative explanation of the same > events. Where would you (singular) find explanation not already discovered? > > One possibility would be, that his biography was faked by some sort of > agency, most likely related to the Jesuits and/or to Swizerland. > > This may sound a little far fetched. "A little"? > But the Catholic Church had a long > history of interfering with science. So why would they somehow create someone considered one of the greatest of science? > > According to this video > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTiztUNrhhM > a lot of really good scientists got surpressed, like Kepler or Leibnitz > for instance. In your conspiracy, why didn't they suppress Einstein? > Then almost the same ideas were later presented by people, > who were allegedly agents like Newton, Gallileo or Gordano Bruno. Huh? Galileo was certainly suppressed by the church. > > Now: what if these people still exist and still want to surpress science? They certainly wouldn't have created a great of science! > > Wouldn't a celebrated piece of crap be the best way to do that? But there is no celebrated piece of crap anywhere.
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