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Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe)

From Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe)
Date 2022-11-01 07:27 +0100
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Am 31.10.2022 um 19:36 schrieb Volney:
  ...
>> Einstein started to speak late in life and even his German was poor.
>> But his English after many years at Princton was just terrible.
>>
>>  From this I had drawn the conclusion, that language in general was
>> not his thing.
>
> Once again, he learned English at 54.
>>
>> Now, any new language takes a couple of years to learn, which is
>> independent of age.
>
> Nope. It's known that the older one is, the harder it is to learn a
> language. Think of it: a baby learns to speak by being exposed to his
> parents. Multiple languages if multiple languages are spoken in the
> household. That's what happened with my sister's kids, they learned two
> languages natively, one from each parent, they are now fluent at both.


a baby learns also inside the body of his mother.

Until a baby finally speaks, the neurons in the brain had almost three 
years to develop in the appropriate order.

Now three years is much longer than Einstein had to learn Italian and 
French.

But I know elederly people, who had learned a new language in less than 
a year.

So: these people apparently had neurons availible, which are able and 
willing to learn something new.

This is a 'learn how to learn' thing and also a skill, which some people 
have (but definitely not all).

>> It is actually easier to learn a new language late in life, if you
>> have practise in learning.
>
> Nope, not languages. Not well enough to avoid something like what you
> say is "terrible" English. (As I understand it his English was ok but he
> had a really thick German accent that many had trouble understanding)


Einstein had a LOT of opportunity and incentive to learn English at 
Princton.

If he had not achieved a little more than high school level in a decade, 
we are safe to assume, that his brain was not prepared for learning new 
languages.


>> Therefore, it is even more unlikely, that he learned Italian in half a
>> year in Pavia in Italy.
>
> Yet he asked a correspondent to write him in Italian.


Sure, he was fluent in Italian.

But WHY and HOW did he get fluent in Italian?

>> But, without going into details, this would not fit to his CV.
>
> So do you know (or are you guessing again) his earlier language education?


Sure. My guess was: he was born as a Swiss citizen and his biography was 
a fake.


>> It is actually unlikely, that his official biography is somehow true,
>
> Nobody cares what you think, especially given your track record.

Sure, but it is actually not my biography what we are discussing now, 
but the CV of Einstein.

>> Taken this story as true, than everything would fit:
>
> Why would anyone believe your story?


Most people think very conventionally and this would include scepticism 
against stories, which look like a fake.

...

TH

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