Re: energy and mass

From	Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity, sci.electronics.design
Subject	Re: energy and mass
Date	2026-03-22 10:31 +0100
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Am Freitag000020, 20.03.2026 um 16:54 schrieb Bill Sloman:
> On 20/03/2026 9:00 pm, Thomas Heger wrote:
>> Am Donnerstag000019, 19.03.2026 um 15:35 schrieb Bill Sloman:
>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>>> the huge basement was not a compact mess of stone and steel, as we 
>>>>>> would expect, but was almost entirely undamaged.
>>>>>
>>>>> As you might expect if you neglected to think about what had 
>>>>> actually happened.
>>>>
>>>> No, not at all.
>>>>
>>>> I personally thought, that an exotic weapon was used, which could 
>>>> turn large structures of steel and concrete into fine dust.
>>>>
>>>> But I would have doubts about al-quida having such a device.
>>>
>>> Or anybody else.
>>>
>>>>>> That should shock you, since that would mean, that 80 to 90% of 
>>>>>> the original building materials vanished without a trace.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dust clouds are ephemeral. They blow away. They don't have to blow 
>>>>> far away to avoid showing up in the basement. 
>>>>
>>>> Dust blows away, that's true.
>>>>
>>>> But how would you transform a 400m skyscraper into fine dust??
>>>
>>> You set it on fire. The jet fuel in two pretty much fully fuelled 
>>> jet- liners is going to be a pretty good fire starter and there's a 
>>> lot of flammable stuff in a skyscraper that's in use, including the 
>>> steel frame if you get it hot enough
>>>
>>
>> Have I ever told you, that I'm actually an engineer from my education. 
>> (I have a German degree called 'Dilp.-Ing.).
> 
> And what do engineers know about chemistry? I've got a Ph.D.in physical 
> chemistry and both my parents had B.Sc's in chemistry.

Chemistry has also engineers.

I had interest in chemistry in my younger age and owned a laboratory in 
our basement.

We have a system in Germany, where students of the higher classes in the 
school called 'Gymnasium' (has nothing to do with 'gym' in English) 
could select topics they liked and what they were good at.

Mine were math and chemistry.

>> And I get frost bytes, if I read your nonsense.
> 
> A byte is eight bits. Frostbite is what you get if your extremities get 
> too cold.

Or when I read your stuff...
> 
>>>> It also happened in mid-air, because the fine dust was blown away, 
>>>> before it had reached the ground.
>>>
>>> 400 meters is quite a long way up in the air, and a fierce fire 
>>> generates a lot of air-circulation. 
>>
>> Well, yes 400m is quite a hight. But free-falling rubble needs only a 
>> few seconds to pass that distance.
> 
> But you have to melt the steel frame before the rubble can fall freely, 
> and the rubble has been calcined by then and is dust, rather than lumps 
> of rubble.

No, because also large sections of the perimeter walls were falling 
down, each in the regions of several ten tons.

If such a lump of steel and concrete would crash upon the WTC-Plaza with 
more then 300 km/h, it would punch a hole into the floor-level with the 
size of a tennis court and deep enough, that you could see the rock 
below Manhattan.

But that didn't happen.

Instead the street level was mainly undamaged. (e.g. you can identify 
cars and trucks in the rubble, which are hardly damaged.)

This is the point I wanted to show and that is why there must have been 
unusual effects in operation.

One possible explanation would be 'cold fusion'.

Another were weapons in space, that have kind of laser, which can make 
skyscrapers disappear.

>> So, by what means do you want to make HUGE steel-beams and concrete 
>> blocks evaporate within ten seconds???
> 
> It took a lot longer than ten seconds. I was watching it on Dutch TV 
> when it happened - not the first impact, but by the second everybody at 
> work knew that it was happening and had turned on TV sets around the 
> lab, and I saw the second plane hit the tower. It took quite a while 
> before the buildings fell down. There was a lot of smoke around, 
> initially from the jet fuel burning and more as the buildings burnt down.

Sure, it took much longer that ten seconds.

But a free falling piece of - say- concrete would need roughly ten 
seconds to fall down from the top of a WTC-tower.

So, where did the delay come from?

TH

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