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On 03/17/2026 10:05 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:
> On 18/03/2026 8:43 am, Ross Finlayson wrote:
>> On 03/17/2026 10:37 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>> On 18/03/2026 2:03 am, Ross Finlayson wrote:
>>>> On 03/17/2026 12:49 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>> On 17/03/2026 2:34 am, john larkin wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 16 Mar 2026 11:00:55 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
>>>>>> <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/16/26 05:01, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 16/03/2026 3:01 am, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 3/15/26 06:16, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 15/03/2026 2:14 pm, Ross Finlayson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 03/06/2026 07:47 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 03/06/2026 05:36 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/03/2026 7:37 pm, Thomas Heger wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Dienstag000003, 03.03.2026 um 13:40 schrieb Bill Sloman:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/03/2026 8:06 pm, Thomas Heger wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Sonntag000001, 01.03.2026 um 11:03 schrieb Bill Sloman:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/03/2026 8:26 pm, Thomas Heger wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Samstag000028, 28.02.2026 um 14:17 schrieb Bill
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sloman:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 28/02/2026 8:03 pm, Thomas Heger wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Donnerstag000026, 26.02.2026 um 15:05 schrieb Ross
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Finlayson:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 02/26/2026 02:21 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 25/02/2026 9:46 pm, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 25/02/2026 4:02 am, Ross Finlayson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 02/24/2026 03:40 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 02/23/2026 12:49 PM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Another mmmh. Red shift for far, far-away galaxies is estimated by
>>>>>>>>> colorimetry, because there are no recognizable spectral lines.
>>>>>>>>> That
>>>>>>>>> opens up a huge can of worms.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cite? Gravitational lensing has made a few far,far-away galaxies
>>>>>>>> quite
>>>>>>>> bright, and the Lyman-alpha lines ought to be resolvable.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I came across the statement in 2016, but I did not keep the
>>>>>>> reference, sorry. I'm not a cosmologist. It did contribute
>>>>>>> to my mistrust of cosmology as a science.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm beginning to think that God is a lot smarter than we are.
>>>>>
>>>>> Smarter people are dubious about the very concept of a God. It's not
>>>>> evidence based, and looks very much as if it were invented by a
>>>>> bunch of
>>>>> confidence tricksters intending to rip off their neighbors.
>>>>
>>>> Says you, ....
>>>
>>> It's obviously a personal opinion. It has equally clearly been used by
>>> people who want their neighbours to live in harmony, but religions
>>> doesn't seem to be able to ensure that their supporting organisations
>>> are reliably well-behaved.
>>>
>>>> It's agreeable that as a source of authority that it's
>>>> been abused its interpretation many times.
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> "Atheists are religious, too, ...."
>>>
>>> Claiming that God does not exist is as non-falsifiable as claiming that
>>> he/she/it does exist.
>>>
>>> Agnosticism is the only respectable option.
>>>
>>
>> Naive sorts of universalism and animism are also defensible,
>> since by definition they fit, like Big Bang and Steady State
>> both do.
>>
>> Considering the roots of the word "re-lig-ion", it's about
>> the ties that bind, whatever is as for making matters of
>> belief.
>>
>> Agnostics are religious, too, ....
>>
>> There are some great accounts of organized religion besides
>> accounts of disasters in their names, for example the non-profit
>> hospital system in the United States that supported the medical
>> needs almost universally as after the Sacred Heart and so on.
>> Also the ideas of universal education after Comenius, the
>> preservation of learning during the Dark Ages, and the
>> quaint Amish and Mennonites and Friends' and Quaker's
>> and their barn-raising and so on.
>>
>> I like the teachings of the Christ and the Buddha, and there is
>> much to be said for the lessons of reciprocity and as
>> about civilized society like as for Moses and Confucius.
>
> The good stuff can be pretty good, but religion gone bad can be very
> nasty indeed
>
>> The usual most obvious sort of exposition of "the fundamental
>> question of metaphysics" as "why is there something rather
>> than nothing" is that that's how the "beginnings" at least
>> two of them, in the Old and New Testament, the old "most
>> printed book in the world", have.
>
> It's an expository trick rather than anything informative.
>
>> Here the "Freedom of Religion" is guaranteed in the law of the land.
>
> Up to a point. Human sacrifice is always frowned on, and people who let
> their kids die when medical  treatment might have saved them do go to jail.
>

It really means that one can believe what they want, or do.

I'm not a religious zealot, yet also I won't abandon the
ideas of religion and organized religion to religious zealots,
nor to those who abuse such associations.


Then as with regards to canon and dogma and doctrine
of _reason_, while it's usually thoroughly given to Aristotle
and Zeno and like accounts of classical expositions, then
as well there are accounts like the Vedas as can be read
for matters of projection and perspective, then for example
about Medieval Scholasticism from where arrive Aquinas and
Occam and here especially Duns Scotus with univocity and
haeccity, that simply some of the accounts of reason have
their roots in what even for atheists are historical dialog.


The old adage "one's right to swing their fist ends at
the nose of the next", is about equal _rights_ and equal
_protections_. Then, "freedom of religion" is basically
"freedom of will", then though that some have that in
their religion that it's not so.

Since freedom of will is a _right_, then also the
responsibilities of actions are upon the wielder.

According to "reading the law", ....

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