Re: energy and mass

Subject	Re: energy and mass
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Date	2026-03-19 06:56 -0700
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On 03/19/2026 06:40 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
> On 19/03/2026 9:01 pm, Thomas Heger wrote:
>> Am Dienstag000017, 17.03.2026 um 08:42 schrieb Thomas Heger:
>>> Am Samstag000014, 14.03.2026 um 17:37 schrieb Bill Sloman:
>>>> On 14/03/2026 7:39 pm, Thomas Heger wrote:
>>>>> Am Freitag000013, 13.03.2026 um 15:08 schrieb J. J. Lodder:
>
> <snip>
>
>>>> Of course an objective observer would note that Einstin's physics is
>>>> widely accepted, and that the nut cases that are incapable of
>>>> getting their heads around it don't do well.
>>>
>>> I don't give a s*** on whether that is accepted or not.
>>>
>>> There is just one (!) goal of physics and 'acceptance' isn't it.
>>>
>>> The goal is truth.
>
> But "truth" is inaccessible
>>
>> To understand this you should think about the people behind science as
>> human beings.
>>
>> Human beings like wealth, power and status.
>>
>> And former scientists climb the social ladder automatically, once they
>> remain at their position in the system called 'academia' and get older.
>
> Not all of them, by any means. The less competent one get side-lined. If
> they have tenure they can't be fired, but they be moved into smaller
> offices and stuck with teaching first year students
>
>> The result of this is, that all people in the 'scientific community'
>> are more or less conservatives and hate, if any changes were made upon
>> the basis of their own life as a scientists.
>
> Not the the ones I've known.
>
>> Since it gets more difficult to learn with an age beyond, say,
>> seventy, the people at the top of the hierarchy of 'academia' are
>> essentially against any change in the set of laws, which we regard as
>> proven facts.
>
> Some people do ossify. Quite a few don't. My wife was a professor and
> still seemed to be open to new ideas at age 77 when she died, Her last
> lecture talked about the way autistic people dealt with  small
> variations in speech sounds. Normal adults and adolescents adjust their
> perceptions of the speech sounds produced by different individuals
> within a few moments for each individual they are listening. Young
> children don't and one her colleagues had noticed that at least some
> autistic people didn't either. I didn't usually get to hear her
> lectures, but this was an exception.
>
>> Most would rather commit suicide than acknowledge an own error.
>
> None that I've known. The ones that I knew took the attitude that you
> followed the data, and if more data from new sources showed that process
> was more complicated than you had originally thought, you'd learned
> something.
>
>> Therefore, the entire system cannot make any progress, because it gets
>> stuck into a position, where its main members reject any changes with
>> all the powers they have.
>
> As Galileo said, nevertheless it moves.
>
>> To even try any changes is actually suicide for any young scientist,
>> who is brave enough to try.
>
> None of the ones I knew committed suicide,and getting a good news idea
> started a couple of successful careers.
>
>> That's why acceptance is impossible.
>
> But it happens.
>
>> You simply need to wait for a few new generations and promote better
>> options in the meantime.
>
> That was Max Planck's opinion when he got old - yet he'd been the guy
> who accepted all four of Einstein's 1905 papers without bothering to get
> them refereed.
>
> When he got older he stayed in Germany, rather than getting out as a lot
> of scientists did, and some of the scientist who stayed were actually
> convinced National Socialists, and rather more doctrinaire than bulk of
> the profession. They wrote off Einstein's work as Jewish science, much
> as you seem to be doing.
>

Eppi si muove, ....

"Yet it moves", "eppi si muove" is one of those usual sorts Latin
contractions, basically pointing at a point of dischord with Aristotle,
who though, if you rather more thoroughly read Aristotle, already
made a fuller sort of dialectic.

"Nevertheless" isn't always a good translation for "yet",
while though it's not bad by itself.


Basically re-examining dogma has quite a lot of weight to lift,
since it's an overall concern, then that "running the gauntlet"
as it were has that it doesn't make for the usual trappings of
the comfort of propriety, the "career suicide" of bucking the flow
is instead a sort of conscientious account that to overturn the
canon and dogma and doctrine of course must involve an historiographic
and bibliographic account of the canon and dogma and doctrine, again.

Why blame Jews when there are Greeks?

Yes, these are our "dead white males".


Anyways Einstein's greatest new idea as he was looking to
extend his legacy, was "Einstein's attack on Newton (Galileo, et alia)".
People then usually say "he was working on a 'total field theory'",
which is so since he already knew he was working in a total field,
yet though the plain account of "Newton's laws" and "the un-linear",
since perfect inelastic collisions don't exist in nature and
the mathematical formalism need to always include that, about
some "Newton's zero-eth law(s)", and about rest/rest motion/motion,
and about that "force is a function of time", if you survey Einstein
he was rocking the boat as hard as he could.

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  Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-13 15:08 +0100
    Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-14 09:39 +0100
      Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 03:37 +1100
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                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-26 02:25 +1100
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                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-25 13:33 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-25 13:45 +0100
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                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-25 08:46 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-25 21:21 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-26 14:29 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-27 02:27 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-22 01:41 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-20 13:06 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-21 09:53 +0100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-21 13:26 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-21 02:36 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-22 10:15 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-22 21:38 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-23 08:58 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-23 21:45 +1100
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          Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-18 13:05 +0100
            Re: energy and mass Howard Takeshita <rrad@ar.jp> - 2026-03-18 13:40 +0000
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