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Re: Rate of Change

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Subject	Re: Rate of Change
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The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 04 Aug 2025 22:43:01 -0700, The Starmaker
> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> 
> >On Mon, 04 Aug 2025 12:40:02 -0700, The Starmaker
> ><starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >
> >>On Mon, 04 Aug 2025 09:11:22 -0700, The Starmaker
> >><starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Mon, 4 Aug 2025 09:06:32 +0200, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
> >>>wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>Am Montag000004, 04.08.2025 um 07:05 schrieb The Starmaker:
> >>>>...
> >>>>>>> Devices belong to a realm, which is not nature. I would prefer to call
> >>>>>>> that 'engineering'.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Physicists use all sorts of devices, but would not necessarily build them.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> This is usually called 'engineering'.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> OK, let me reformulate:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 1. Do you think that "time" must be measurable to have
> >>>>>>>>      a meaning in engineering?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 2. What is the instrument that engineers use to measures time?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Physicists use clocks of various forms, technology and size.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> But time does not use clocks!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> This is so, because time is a natural phenomenon and nature does not use
> >>>>>>> any man-made devices.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> TH
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You have still not even tried to answer my questions:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 1. Do you think that "time" must be measurable to have
> >>>>>>     a meaning in engineering?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 2. What is the instrument that engineers use to measures time?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> They all use the sun as the instrument. It will be ready on Sunday.
> >>>>> check your calender...when you wake up, change the page on your
> >>>>> calender to the next day. All clocks give solar time.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Actually wrong, because the apparent movement of the Sun across the sky
> >>>>is caused by Earth' rotation.
> >>>>
> >>>>So: sun dials use the Earth' rotation, too.
> >>>>...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>TH
> >>>
> >>>I forgot about rotate time.
> >>
> >>But the earth has no force of it's own to rotate around the sun...so
> >>something else is happening here...it is the sun that rotates the
> >>earth to keep solar time.
> >
> >But you are probaly using the wrong word, you must mean the earth
> >...spins.
> 
> Whether you use 'spin' or 'rotation'...the earth does not the
> capabilities to spin on it's own...it is the Sun that spins the
> earth..
> 
> that which makes the wheels of a clock turn.


i guess if the earth stop spinning it would be Sunday...everyday.

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to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
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