Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: The Starmaker Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: Rate of Change Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2025 21:30:02 -0700 Organization: The Starmaker Organization Lines: 84 Message-ID: <6892DA4A.996@ix.netcom.com> References: <106giv6$985$2@dont-email.me> <106j86t$kd1q$2@dont-email.me> <106km6v$vq91$1@dont-email.me> <106oh5o$1ptoq$1@dont-email.me> <8om19kt1r1hp6uf47eelsrf5am0jjmftg9@4ax.com> Reply-To: starmaker@ix.netcom.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2025 04:29:39 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="bc39ec82c27c8d6e72048144e3b0ac15"; logging-data="3333451"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18i3P8wmgXWRiyEEJHrQuCYgYt1eiSf0mI=" Cancel-Lock: sha1:LYvbHyBmQU58qTdT18x76MImG5w= X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 250805-6, 08/05/2025), Outbound message Xref: csiph.com sci.physics.relativity:665413 The Starmaker wrote: > > On Mon, 04 Aug 2025 22:43:01 -0700, The Starmaker > wrote: > > >On Mon, 04 Aug 2025 12:40:02 -0700, The Starmaker > > wrote: > > > >>On Mon, 04 Aug 2025 09:11:22 -0700, The Starmaker > >> wrote: > >> > >>>On Mon, 4 Aug 2025 09:06:32 +0200, Thomas Heger > >>>wrote: > >>> > >>>>Am Montag000004, 04.08.2025 um 07:05 schrieb The Starmaker: > >>>>... > >>>>>>> Devices belong to a realm, which is not nature. I would prefer to call > >>>>>>> that 'engineering'. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Physicists use all sorts of devices, but would not necessarily build them. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> This is usually called 'engineering'. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> OK, let me reformulate: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> 1. Do you think that "time" must be measurable to have > >>>>>>>> a meaning in engineering? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> 2. What is the instrument that engineers use to measures time? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Physicists use clocks of various forms, technology and size. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> But time does not use clocks! > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> This is so, because time is a natural phenomenon and nature does not use > >>>>>>> any man-made devices. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> TH > >>>>>> > >>>>>> You have still not even tried to answer my questions: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> 1. Do you think that "time" must be measurable to have > >>>>>> a meaning in engineering? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> 2. What is the instrument that engineers use to measures time? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> They all use the sun as the instrument. It will be ready on Sunday. > >>>>> check your calender...when you wake up, change the page on your > >>>>> calender to the next day. All clocks give solar time. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>Actually wrong, because the apparent movement of the Sun across the sky > >>>>is caused by Earth' rotation. > >>>> > >>>>So: sun dials use the Earth' rotation, too. > >>>>... > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>TH > >>> > >>>I forgot about rotate time. > >> > >>But the earth has no force of it's own to rotate around the sun...so > >>something else is happening here...it is the sun that rotates the > >>earth to keep solar time. > > > >But you are probaly using the wrong word, you must mean the earth > >...spins. > > Whether you use 'spin' or 'rotation'...the earth does not the > capabilities to spin on it's own...it is the Sun that spins the > earth.. > > that which makes the wheels of a clock turn. i guess if the earth stop spinning it would be Sunday...everyday. -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.