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The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 04 Aug 2025 12:40:02 -0700, The Starmaker
> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> 
> >On Mon, 04 Aug 2025 09:11:22 -0700, The Starmaker
> ><starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >
> >>On Mon, 4 Aug 2025 09:06:32 +0200, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
> >>wrote:
> >>
> >>>Am Montag000004, 04.08.2025 um 07:05 schrieb The Starmaker:
> >>>...
> >>>>>> Devices belong to a realm, which is not nature. I would prefer to call
> >>>>>> that 'engineering'.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Physicists use all sorts of devices, but would not necessarily build them.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> This is usually called 'engineering'.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> OK, let me reformulate:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 1. Do you think that "time" must be measurable to have
> >>>>>>>      a meaning in engineering?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 2. What is the instrument that engineers use to measures time?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Physicists use clocks of various forms, technology and size.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> But time does not use clocks!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> This is so, because time is a natural phenomenon and nature does not use
> >>>>>> any man-made devices.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> TH
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You have still not even tried to answer my questions:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1. Do you think that "time" must be measurable to have
> >>>>>     a meaning in engineering?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2. What is the instrument that engineers use to measures time?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> They all use the sun as the instrument. It will be ready on Sunday.
> >>>> check your calender...when you wake up, change the page on your
> >>>> calender to the next day. All clocks give solar time.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Actually wrong, because the apparent movement of the Sun across the sky
> >>>is caused by Earth' rotation.
> >>>
> >>>So: sun dials use the Earth' rotation, too.
> >>>...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>TH
> >>
> >>I forgot about rotate time.
> >
> >But the earth has no force of it's own to rotate around the sun...so
> >something else is happening here...it is the sun that rotates the
> >earth to keep solar time.
> 
> But you are probaly using the wrong word, you must mean the earth
> ...spins.

Let me put it this way..

a sundial is not a earth clock, it's a sun clock.

It measures the shadow of the sun...a solar solar clock.

Not an earth clock.

All time on earth is determined by the Sun.

So, if the sun is up there...

or over there..

or on the otherside..

Why do you confuse an earth clock with Time? Sun time??


A earth clock is just a highly sophiscated sundial...

I'm not even sure the sun is trying to tell you what time it is.


When the sun is up there...it is just 'up there', dats it! 

It's is not 12 o'clock, dat another word for up there!


What's up there? it's on minute past up there!

OH MAN, I'M LATE! I GOTTA GO BEFORE IT GOES DOWN THERE!!!

don't worry about it, you got plenty of time..

Germans call it rotation. 






-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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