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Re: Rate of Change

From	Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: Rate of Change
Date	2025-08-16 07:23 +0200
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Am Freitag000015, 15.08.2025 um 19:29 schrieb The Starmaker:
> On Tue, 12 Aug 2025 08:55:42 +0200, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
> wrote:
> 
>> Am Montag000011, 11.08.2025 um 08:34 schrieb The Starmaker:
>>
>>>>>>>>> Actually wrong, because the apparent movement of the Sun across the sky
>>>>>>>>> is caused by Earth' rotation.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So: sun dials use the Earth' rotation, too.
>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> TH
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I forgot about rotate time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But the earth has no force of it's own to rotate around the sun...so
>>>>>>> something else is happening here...it is the sun that rotates the
>>>>>>> earth to keep solar time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But you are probaly using the wrong word, you must mean the earth
>>>>>> ...spins.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let me put it this way..
>>>>>
>>>>> a sundial is not a earth clock, it's a sun clock.
>>>>>
>>>>> It measures the shadow of the sun...a solar solar clock.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not an earth clock.
>>>>
>>>> NO!!!
>>>>
>>>> The shadow moves at the sun-clock, because the Earth rotates (not the Sun).
>>>>
>>>> This is why a sun-clock measures actually Earth' rotation (in respect to
>>>> the Sun).>
>>>
>>> Isn't the earth a cogwheel? Otherwise, What makes the earth...rotate?
>>
>> This is a VERY good question.
>>
>> My own guess was, that we have kind of 'background field', which I
>> assume to be spacetime of GR.
>>
>> Matter is now (in my own and selfinvented model) a 'timelike stable pattern.
>>
>> This 'background field' behaves, as if the 'elements' are actually
>> bi-quaternions, which interact with their direct neigbors, as if they
>> would multiply with them according to an equation, which is used with
>> quaternions to describe rotations.
>>
>> The equation goes like this:
>>
>> p' = q * p * q^-1
>>
>> The net result for a huge massive body is then a certain rotation of
>> that huge body.
>>
>> (see also my 'book' called 'structured spacetime':
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Ur3_giuk2l439fxUa8QHX4wTDxBEaM6lOlgVUa0cFU4/edit?usp=sharing
>> )
>>
>>
>> ...
>>
>> TH
> 
> BUT i already answered the question..the Sun rotates the Earth. The
> Sun IS the  'structured spacetime!
> 
> Without the    Sun, tomorrow would never come!
> 
> What is tomorrow?
> 
> Without the sun...it will always be nighttime.
> 
> Tomorrow is the NEXT night. (not the next day)
> 
> There is no NEXT night when it is always...night.
> 
> 
> Earth rotation has no bearing on time...without a sun to bear it's
> time.


I meant, that 'Sun' is actually a vortex in spacetime.

The real thing is a 'background', which is assumed to be spacetime of GR.

This is real and composed out of pointlike 'elements'.

But it is also invisible and 'dark'.

But you could 'tilt' these elements (a little bit) and one way to do 
this is gravity.

Now these 'pointlike elements' are interconnected in a certain way, 
which allows 'sideways' rotation.

This aspect is called 'spacelike' in relativity lingo.

In the perpendicular direction this is an axis and called 'timelike'.

If an object is subject to gravity, the environment pulls on the object 
and tends to make the worldlines bend a little more from timelike to 
spacelike.

Hence if an object is subject to gravity, the formerly unseen aspect of 
rotation becomes visible.

IoW: things start to glow, if there is a very huge material object with 
large gravity.

This is now the case for the Sun, which therefore shines, because the 
Sun has such a large mass.

But the energy doesn't come from the mass, but from spacetime itself.


TH

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