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Re: Rate of Change

From	Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity, sci.math
Subject	Re: Rate of Change
Date	2025-08-05 09:00 +0200
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Am Montag000004, 04.08.2025 um 16:33 schrieb Percival Dudorov:
> Thomas Heger wrote:
> 
>> Am Sonntag000003, 03.08.2025 um 22:35 schrieb Paul.B.Andersen:
>>> 1. Do you think that "time" must be measurable to have
>>>      a meaning in engineering?
>>
>> I think, that measurement of a quantity is independent from that
>> quantity itself.
> 
> there are no measurement purely non-invasive. Hence all measurement are
> infact invasive. Some more then the other. You have to put your probes
> there, in order to perform the measurement

You didn't understand my point.

I meant, that time is not based on clocks, because clocks are man made 
and time is not.

The 'real thing' is an entirely different thing than the model 
describing it.

The one who makes models is called 'observer' and that's the one who 
measures and uses devices like clocks.

But that has nothing to do with how time actually functions as a natural 
phenomenon.

This is obviously the case, because clocks had in former times tiny 
cogwheels inside.

And it makes no sense whatsoever to assume, that there are numerous 
cogwheels in nature.

How time functions is actually an interesting question. But that has 
nothing to do with how clocks operate.

TH

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