Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies'

From	Carla Schneider <carla_sch@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups	de.sci.physik
Subject	Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies'
Date	2020-09-25 07:51 +0200
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Kurt wrote:
> 
> Am 24.09.2020 um 11:27 schrieb Carla Schneider:
> > Kurt wrote:
> >>
> 
> >>
> >> Also lassen wir fahren.
> >>
> 
> Das "Experiment" ist auf die relevanten Umstände begrenzt.
> 
> Zwei Bahnhöfe mit synchronisierten Uhren, dies wird durch GPS erledigt.
> Eine Uhr im Zug die, dann wenn sie unbewegt ist so taktet als die
> Bahnhofsuhren.
> 
> Höhenunterschiede gibts keine, der andere Uhrengang deswegen sollte
> einem anderem Kapitel vorbehalten werden.
> 
> Es gibt keinen "Sagnac-Effekt. Heisst: die Fahrtrichtung ist egal.

Das heisst die Erde dreht sich nicht.

> Das Ganze kann auch nach irgendwo im "Raum" verlegt werden, die
> Einrichtung wird z.B. zur Hintergrundstrahlung ruhend gestellt.
> 
> >> Der Zug fährt vom A nach B, ein Beobachter fährt mit, seine Uhr hat er
> >> vorher mit der Bahnhofsuhr verglichen/gleichgestellt.
> >>
> >> Als er beim B ankommt schaut er auf seine Uhr.
> >> Er sagt: "Nanu, die Fahrzeit war kürzer als im Fahrplan angegeben.
> > Das gibts laufend. Nein die Fahrzeit auf der Zuguhre war kuerzer als
> > die Differenz der beiden Bahnhofsuhrzeiten.
> >
> > Das geht aber auch umgekehrt, ein langer Zug hat vorn und hinten eine Uhr,
> 
> Der Zug besteht aus einem Waggon, dessen Wände können hochgefahren
> werden und oben ein Deckel draufgesetzt.
> Hintergrund: keine Orientierung nach aussen hin.

Aber die Uhren koennen abgelesen werden oder ?

> 
> > synchron im Zug, und faehrt an einer Bahnhofsuhr vorbei, und macht dabei jeweils
> > vorn und hinten einen Uhrenvergleich.
> > Ergebnis, auf den Zuguhren ist mehr Zeit vergangen als auf der Bahnhofsuhr.
> > Kannst du das auch mit deinem Traegerdruck erklaeren ?
> 
> Trägerdruck kommt später dran, es wird sonst unübersichtlich.
> 
> > Oder stimmt das womoeglich gar nicht, dann eignet es sich
> > um die Relativitaetstheorie zu falsifizieren...
> >
> 
> Wir lassen nochmal fahren, und zwar hin und zurück.
> 
> Der Zug fährt vom A nach B, ein Beobachter fährt mit, seine Uhr hat er
> vorher mit der Bahnhofsuhr verglichen/gleichgestellt.
> 
> Als er beim B ankommt schaut er auf seine Uhr.
> Er sagt: Nanu, die Fahrzeit war kürzer als im Fahrplan angegeben.

Lass den Fahrplan aus dem Spiel, um den geht es nicht, er muss 
die Bahnhofsuhr ablesen, dass Zuege den Fahrplan nicht exakt
einhalten ist normal, zumal es hier nicht um Sekunden geht sondern um Nanosekunden,
wenn das ueberhaupt reicht.

> 
> Das bedeutet das die bewegte Uhr langsamer ging als sie es noch am
> Bahnhof tat.

Nicht unbedingt, er weiss ja nicht ob die Bahnhofsuhr in B vielleicht anders geht.

> 
> Das gleiche Spiel nun von Bahnhof B zum A
> Seine Uhr nach der Bahnhofsuhr gerichtet und losgefahren.
> 
> Als er beim A ankommt schaut er wieder auf seine Uhr.
> Er sagt: Nanu, die Fahrzeit war kürzer als im Fahrplan angegeben.
> Er stellt auch fest das seine Uhr gegenüber der Bahnhofsuhr zu spät ging.
> 
> Das bedeutet das seine Uhr wieder während der Fahrt langsamer ging.
> 
> Es ist also möglich anhand des Ganges einer Uhr zu erkennen ob diese
> bewegt ist oder nicht.
Nimm das Beispiel mit den zwei Zuegen auf zwei Gleisen direkt nebeneinander,
jeder hat vorn hinten eine Uhr, beide bewegen sich mit gleichfoermiger 
Geschwindigkeit relativ zum Gleis und die Uhren im Zug sind synchronisiert,
im System ihres jeweiligen Zuges.
Wenn die Zuege sich begegnen kommt jeweils eine Uhr des einen Zuges
nacheinander an zwei Uhren des anderen Zuges vorbei und man wird feststellen
dass die eine Uhr langsamer geht als die zwei Uhren des anderen. 
Die Relativgeschwindigkeit der Zuege ist entscheidend dafuer wieviel.
Das ist vollkommen symmetrisch  beide verhalten sich da wie ruhende und
wie bewegte Uhren je nachdem wo man eine und  wo 2 Uhren  betrachtet.





> 
> Er ist dann die Strecke nochmal gefahren, und zwar mit einem Schnellzug.
> Auch da war es so das seine Uhr langsamer taktete als sie unterwegs war.
> Sie taktete sogar noch langsamer als bei der Fahrt mit dem Bummelzug.
> 
> Bedeutet:
> Man kann mit einer Uhr erkennen das man bewegt ist, erkennen wie schnell
> man bewegt ist. Die Möglichkeit dazu liefert der Vergleich mit der
> Bahnhofsuhr.

Wenn er weiss wie lang die Strecke ist kann er seine Durchschnittsgeschwindigkeit
ausrechnen aus aus der Zeitdifferenz auf den Bahnhofsuhren und der Streckenlaenge,
seine eigene Uhr braucht er da gar nicht.

> 
> Nun wirds kniffeliger, die Wände des Waggons werden hochgefahren und der
> Deckel drauf gesetzt.
> Die Uhr des Reisenden gestellt und dieser losgeschickt, er sitzt im
> dunklem Waggon.
> 
> Frage: kann er feststellen ob er bewegt ist und wie schnell er es ist?
> Meine Aussage: Ja

Er kann Beschleunigungen als Kraefte spueren und wenn er die sehr genau
misst kann er daraus seinen Bewegungszustand und den Ort relativ zum Ausgangspunkt
exakt berechnen.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tr%C3%A4gheitsnavigationssystem


> Die deine?

Es gibt aber noch eine andere Moeglichkeit: Wenn die Beschleunigung durch Gravitation erfolgt
merkt er das nicht. Beispiel: Die Sonden Voyager 1 und 2 , ein dort eingesperrter Beobachter der
nicht
nach aussen gucken darf haette nur die Beschleunigungen durch die Triebwerke der Sonden registriert, 
aber nicht die Beschleunigungen  durch die Vorbeifluege an den Planeten und die Entschleunigung 
im Gravitationsfeld der Sonne.

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                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Fritz <mogined@nurfuerspam.de> - 2020-10-09 18:08 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' "Dieter Grosch" <dgrosch@t-online.de> - 2020-10-11 05:09 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-10-11 09:21 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Fritz <mogined@nurfuerspam.de> - 2020-10-11 16:15 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-10-09 18:35 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Fritz <mogined@nurfuerspam.de> - 2020-10-09 18:06 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Carla Schneider <carla_sch@yahoo.com> - 2020-10-10 19:29 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-10-10 19:41 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Carla Schneider <carla_sch@yahoo.com> - 2020-10-11 09:32 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Ernst Sauer <Ernst.Sauer@kabelmail.de> - 2020-10-07 18:18 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-10-07 19:03 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-10-07 20:44 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Ernst Sauer <Ernst.Sauer@kabelmail.de> - 2020-10-10 13:53 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-10-10 14:18 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-10-10 14:22 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Takvorian <tak-us@gmx.de> - 2020-10-10 16:58 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-10-10 19:32 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Takvorian <tak-us@gmx.de> - 2020-10-10 21:18 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-10-10 21:48 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Takvorian <tak-us@gmx.de> - 2020-10-13 13:04 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-10-13 14:54 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-10-13 15:05 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Takvorian <tak-us@gmx.de> - 2020-10-14 13:19 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Erika Ciesla <abc@xyz.invalid> - 2020-10-14 15:45 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-10-14 22:56 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Erika Ciesla <abc@xyz.invalid> - 2020-10-15 01:23 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-10-15 08:50 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Erika Ciesla <abc@xyz.invalid> - 2020-10-15 15:45 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Takvorian <tak-us@gmx.de> - 2020-10-15 15:59 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Takvorian <tak-us@gmx.de> - 2020-10-15 15:43 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Erika Ciesla <abc@xyz.invalid> - 2020-10-15 16:05 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Carla Schneider <carla_sch@yahoo.com> - 2020-10-15 16:51 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Ernst Sauer <Ernst.Sauer@kabelmail.de> - 2020-10-11 16:42 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-10-11 21:16 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Ernst Sauer <Ernst.Sauer@kabelmail.de> - 2020-10-12 14:28 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-10-12 17:01 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-10-07 21:42 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-10-07 22:41 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' HWS <h.w.schmitt@web.de> - 2020-10-07 23:21 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-10-08 22:39 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-10-08 23:19 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-10-09 01:15 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-10-09 21:57 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-10-09 22:43 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-10-10 22:44 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-10-10 23:04 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-10-11 21:42 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-10-11 22:30 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-10-12 07:52 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-10-12 17:00 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-10-12 17:15 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-10-12 18:50 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-10-12 19:35 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-10-12 21:05 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-10-12 21:25 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-10-12 22:25 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-10-12 22:57 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-10-13 21:45 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-10-13 22:52 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-10-14 21:43 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-10-14 22:53 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-10-01 00:28 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Carla Schneider <carla_sch@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-28 18:53 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-28 20:34 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-09-27 12:37 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-09-27 12:39 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-27 13:36 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-09-27 13:41 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-09-27 18:45 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-27 19:27 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-09-27 20:20 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-09-27 20:52 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-27 21:02 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-09-27 21:57 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-27 22:16 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-27 21:33 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-09-27 22:11 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-27 22:30 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-09-28 18:19 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-28 20:42 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-09-28 21:33 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-28 23:49 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-09-29 00:11 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-29 00:18 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-09-29 21:52 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-29 22:17 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-09-30 10:52 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-09-30 21:56 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-30 22:17 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Carla Schneider <carla_sch@yahoo.com> - 2020-10-01 11:33 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-10-01 12:07 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-10-01 14:50 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Carla Schneider <carla_sch@yahoo.com> - 2020-10-01 16:09 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-10-01 17:59 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-10-01 18:18 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Carla Schneider <carla_sch@yahoo.com> - 2020-10-02 07:50 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-10-02 09:23 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Carla Schneider <carla_sch@yahoo.com> - 2020-10-02 12:02 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-10-02 12:42 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Carla Schneider <carla_sch@yahoo.com> - 2020-10-02 14:09 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-10-02 14:14 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Carla Schneider <carla_sch@yahoo.com> - 2020-10-02 15:49 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-10-02 16:10 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Carla Schneider <carla_sch@yahoo.com> - 2020-10-03 16:11 +0200
                Ganz normale Fragen Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-10-03 17:35 +0200
                Re: Ganz wirre Fragen Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-10-03 18:35 +0200
                Re: Ganz normale Fragen Carla Schneider <carla_sch@yahoo.com> - 2020-10-05 10:45 +0200
                Re: Ganz normale Fragen Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-10-05 11:18 +0200
                Re: Ganz normale Fragen Carla Schneider <carla_sch@yahoo.com> - 2020-10-05 11:46 +0200
                Re: Ganz normale Fragen Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-10-05 11:52 +0200
                Re: Ganz normale Fragen Carla Schneider <carla_sch@yahoo.com> - 2020-10-05 16:03 +0200
                Re: Ganz normale Fragen Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-10-05 16:29 +0200
                Re: Ganz normale Fragen Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-10-05 17:01 +0200
                Re: Ganz normale Fragen Carla Schneider <carla_sch@yahoo.com> - 2020-10-06 01:05 +0200
                Re: Ganz normale Fragen Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-10-06 09:25 +0200
                Re: Ganz normale Fragen Carla Schneider <carla_sch@yahoo.com> - 2020-10-06 10:09 +0200
                Re: Ganz normale Fragen Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-10-06 10:27 +0200
                Re: Ganz normale Fragen Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-10-06 10:36 +0200
                Re: Ganz normale Fragen Carla Schneider <carla_sch@yahoo.com> - 2020-10-06 11:51 +0200
                Re: Ganz normale Fragen Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-10-06 12:02 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-10-01 21:51 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' "Dieter Grosch" <dgrosch@t-online.de> - 2020-10-01 13:03 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-10-01 14:49 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Mitleser <mitleser@invalid.invalid> - 2020-10-01 21:11 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' "Dieter Grosch" <dgrosch@t-online.de> - 2020-10-02 06:37 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Mitleser <mitleser@invalid.invalid> - 2020-10-02 09:34 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' "Dieter Grosch" <dgrosch@t-online.de> - 2020-10-02 10:14 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-10-02 11:00 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Mitleser <mitleser@invalid.invalid> - 2020-10-02 16:48 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' "Dieter Grosch" <dgrosch@t-online.de> - 2020-10-03 05:13 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-10-03 05:27 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-10-03 09:29 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-10-03 09:30 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Fritz <mogined@nurfuerspam.de> - 2020-10-03 18:40 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Mitleser <mitleser@invalid.invalid> - 2020-10-03 23:14 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' "Dieter Grosch" <dgrosch@t-online.de> - 2020-10-04 04:45 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-10-04 05:16 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Mitleser <mitleser@invalid.invalid> - 2020-10-04 13:34 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Fritz <mogined@nurfuerspam.de> - 2020-10-04 17:27 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Fritz <mogined@nurfuerspam.de> - 2020-10-02 18:32 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Fritz <mogined@nurfuerspam.de> - 2020-09-29 16:41 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Fritz <mogined@nurfuerspam.de> - 2020-09-28 10:46 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-09-28 18:09 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Fritz <mogined@nurfuerspam.de> - 2020-09-28 19:05 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-09-28 19:19 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Fritz <mogined@nurfuerspam.de> - 2020-09-29 16:49 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-28 20:43 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-09-28 21:32 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-29 00:07 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-09-29 21:52 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-29 22:22 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-09-30 10:51 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Carla Schneider <carla_sch@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-30 11:27 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-30 11:45 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-09-30 11:48 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Carla Schneider <carla_sch@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-30 12:22 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-30 14:37 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Carla Schneider <carla_sch@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-30 16:31 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-30 18:36 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-09-30 21:55 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-30 22:43 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-10-01 21:52 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Takvorian <tak-us@gmx.de> - 2020-10-01 19:37 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-10-01 21:57 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-10-01 22:03 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Fritz <mogined@nurfuerspam.de> - 2020-09-28 10:33 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-28 10:56 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-28 11:04 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-09-28 11:54 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Heribert Hurtig <heri@sogetthis.com> - 2020-09-28 12:28 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-28 12:33 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-28 20:53 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-09-28 21:01 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-09-28 18:08 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Fritz <mogined@nurfuerspam.de> - 2020-09-28 19:08 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Fritz - Till Eulenspiegel und Trollfuetterer <fritz2011@gmx-topmail.de> - 2020-09-28 10:27 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-28 10:45 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-26 21:41 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-09-26 22:21 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-26 22:42 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-09-26 23:16 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-26 23:28 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-09-27 00:46 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-09-27 12:38 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' "Dieter Grosch" <dgrosch@t-online.de> - 2020-09-27 13:01 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-09-27 13:05 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-27 15:44 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' "Dieter Grosch" <dgrosch@t-online.de> - 2020-09-27 17:03 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-09-27 18:01 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-27 18:35 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-09-27 18:37 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Fritz <mogined@nurfuerspam.de> - 2020-09-28 10:49 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-09-27 18:00 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Fritz <mogined@nurfuerspam.de> - 2020-09-28 10:48 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-27 13:38 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-09-27 18:46 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-27 19:32 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-09-27 20:19 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-09-27 20:55 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-27 21:03 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-09-27 21:59 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-09-27 22:01 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Ernst Sauer <Ernst.Sauer@kabelmail.de> - 2020-09-25 14:28 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-25 14:35 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Ernst Sauer <Ernst.Sauer@kabelmail.de> - 2020-09-25 15:22 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-25 16:16 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-09-25 16:17 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Ernst Sauer <Ernst.Sauer@kabelmail.de> - 2020-09-21 13:15 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-21 13:47 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Ernst Sauer <Ernst.Sauer@kabelmail.de> - 2020-09-21 22:46 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-21 23:16 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-09-22 07:33 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Ernst Sauer <Ernst.Sauer@kabelmail.de> - 2020-09-22 08:28 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-22 10:01 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-09-22 10:16 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Ernst Sauer <Ernst.Sauer@kabelmail.de> - 2020-09-22 13:19 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-22 20:08 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-09-22 20:50 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-22 21:47 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-09-22 21:58 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Fritz <mogined@nurfuerspam.de> - 2020-09-23 09:06 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-22 20:09 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Takvorian <tak-us@gmx.de> - 2020-09-22 12:09 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-22 20:22 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-09-22 20:50 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-22 21:49 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-09-22 21:59 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-22 22:06 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-09-22 22:17 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-22 23:03 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Takvorian <tak-us@gmx.de> - 2020-09-23 00:06 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-09-23 00:51 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-23 23:02 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-09-23 23:08 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Takvorian <tak-us@gmx.de> - 2020-09-24 14:24 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-24 23:00 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-09-25 12:35 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-25 12:53 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Takvorian <tak-us@gmx.de> - 2020-09-25 16:56 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-25 17:09 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Takvorian <tak-us@gmx.de> - 2020-09-25 18:29 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-25 23:03 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Takvorian <tak-us@gmx.de> - 2020-09-26 15:01 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-25 17:13 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-24 10:38 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-09-24 11:08 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-09-24 15:31 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-24 23:19 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-09-25 12:35 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-25 12:50 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-09-25 13:20 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-25 13:32 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-09-25 13:41 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-09-25 13:45 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-25 13:54 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-09-25 14:02 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-25 14:10 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-09-25 14:30 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-25 14:39 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-09-25 14:41 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-25 14:42 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-09-25 14:49 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-09-25 14:52 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-25 16:07 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-09-25 16:09 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-09-25 16:46 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-09-25 16:49 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-25 17:06 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-09-25 17:10 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-25 17:15 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-09-25 17:20 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-09-25 17:38 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-25 17:47 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-09-25 17:49 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-09-25 17:56 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-25 22:34 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-09-25 22:42 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-09-26 13:58 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-09-25 14:35 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Takvorian <tak-us@gmx.de> - 2020-09-22 22:30 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-22 22:55 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Takvorian <tak-us@gmx.de> - 2020-09-22 23:58 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Fritz <mogined@nurfuerspam.de> - 2020-09-23 09:10 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Carla Schneider <carla_sch@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-23 12:48 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Takvorian <tak-us@gmx.de> - 2020-09-23 13:13 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-23 23:32 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-09-24 00:52 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Takvorian <tak-us@gmx.de> - 2020-09-24 14:31 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-24 23:26 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Rolf Bombach <rolfnospambombach@invalid.invalid> - 2020-09-25 23:35 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2020-09-18 07:40 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Carla Schneider <carla_sch@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-18 08:24 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2020-09-18 08:46 +0200
            Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Fritz <mogined@nurfuerspam.de> - 2020-09-15 18:00 +0200
        Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Carla Schneider <carla_sch@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-15 13:04 +0200

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