Re: Smokers are smarter, I say.

From	"James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.advocacy, sci.physics, alt.privacy.anon-server, comp.sys.mac.system, alt.comp.os.windows-10, alt.cellular-phone-tech
Subject	Re: Smokers are smarter, I say.
Date	2017-04-27 21:55 +0100
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On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 21:18:49 +0100, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

> On 4/27/17, 1:01 PM, in article op.yzddw5a2js98qf@red.lan, "James Wilkinson
> Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 19:58:34 +0100, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/27/17, 11:33 AM, in article op.yzc9uitnjs98qf@red.lan, "James Wilkinson
>>> Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> ...
>>>>> So you have no example of Macs being twice the price of comparable Dells,
>>>>> not any price comparisons made by reputable sources to back such a claim.
>>>>>
>>>>> OK.
>>>>
>>>> You find me an Apple computer for sale with actual specs so I know what
>>>> motherboard and processor and memory and so forth are in it, the exact
>>>> models,
>>>> then I'll do a comparison.  Without that info a comparison is not possible.
>>>
>>> Either you know how to find those specs yourself or you lied when you said
>>> you already made such a comparison.
>>
>> It's written in the next line.  Don't interrupt.
>>
>>>> When I did the comparison at my work, I most likely used the detailed specs
>>>> given by our local Apple supplier.
>>>
>>> You can get the specs however you want. Meanwhile, though admittedly
>>> outdated, I am happy to point to comparisons made by outside sources:
>>
>> The specs should be on the Apple webpage.  Simply not good enough.
>
> As I showed, they are. The speed. The GPU. Everything you asked about in
> terms of SPECS are there. But you are looking for reasons to whine. So be
> it.

The speed is not the specs of the CPU.  You clearly know nothing about CPUs.

>>>     <http://csma.gallopinginsanity.com/prices>
>>
>> I'm still waiting for a pricelist with proper specs from you.
>
> You are the one who said Mac were twice the cost. I have shown you that the
> evidence goes contrary to your claim but, admittedly, the evidence is old.
> So maybe you have newer evidence that shows it has changed.
>
> But no reason to think so.
>
> This leaves us with the conclusion that you fabricated a story about Macs
> being twice the price of comparable machines, and when faced with your
> complete lack of evidence you asked me to help you get MORE specs than I
> already have.
>
> Nope. I am not going to help you even more to play your make-believe game of
> Macs being twice the price of similar PCs. Instead I am just calling you
> out: you made up the claim. You lied and were busted.
>
> Fine. Now we can move on to the next topic.

Bullshit.  I compared Dell computers with Apple computers using the supplier we had 5 years ago.  The Apples were twice the price.

Perhaps Apple are cheaper now, but you've yet to show me where I can find actual Apple specs to make a fair comparison.  A "3 GHz CPU" is NOT a spec.

>>> The idea that Macs are more considerably expensive than comparable machines
>>> does not fit the data. With that said, it *is* true you have fewer options
>>> on what to add or not add: if you, for example, do not want both wireless
>>> and wired network connections, or do not want he IR input, etc. you cannot
>>> opt out. So in that way you might be able to get a system that meets the
>>> specs YOU want which is considerably cheaper than what Apple offers.
>>>
>>> There is still the question as to the tasks you want to use the machine for.
>>> Which will serve you better and why? And what resources do you have to get
>>> it -- financial and older software, etc.
>>>
>>> Even just personal preference comes into play... so use what you like that
>>> fits your needs. I personally use macOS, Windows, and Linux.
>>>
>>> ...
>>>>> With which Macs? If you let me know I will likely be able to give you the
>>>>> CPU specs you want.
>>>>
>>>> Pick anything you like, something mid range if you want so we're not dealing
>>>> with budget stuff or extreme gaming stuff where prices can vary a lot.  I
>>>> cetainly can't be bothered navigating their godawful website.  It's full of
>>>> adverts with no information.
>>>
>>> So you have no specific Mac you cannot find the CPU specs you want on it.
>>> OK.
>>
>> I don't mind what Mac it is, I just want to compare like with like to see if
>> you're correct about them no longer being double the price.
>
> No evidence they ever were -- remember, you made up that claim and showed no
> evidence.

I don't work there anymore, I don't have access to their pricelist.

> Now you are just whining that Apple is not holding your hand
> enough to give you a number few care about and they instead give you specs
> about actual things that impact the speed of the machine.

EVERY OTHER COMPANY gives detailed specs of EXACTLY what parts they use in their computers, or they wouldn't be able to sell any.  For some reason Apple users are gullible enough to buy things without knowing what's under the hood.

> Even with that I offered to help you find specs and you did not care enough
> to say even what machine you are having a hard time finding the specs for.

I let you choose any machine.  It doesn't matter what it is, all I'm trying to do is a fair comparison.

>> For that I need to know exactly what CPU, SSD, RAM, etc is in it so I can
>> compare it to a PC supplier.  Apple hide this information on their website.
>
> As I showed you they gave the specs needed... you just want more hand
> holding.

No, they did not state which of the 30 or so i5 processors they use.

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Mechanical engineers build weapons and civil engineers build targets.

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