Re: Smokers are smarter, I say.

From	Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.advocacy, comp.sys.mac.system, alt.comp.os.windows-10
Subject	Re: Smokers are smarter, I say.
Date	2017-04-27 21:25 -0700
Message-ID	<D5281250.A2167%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> (permalink)
References	(21 earlier) <oduava$mk7$1@dont-email.me> <D5280163.A2153%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> <oducac$rpk$1@dont-email.me> <D52803B0.A215A%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> <oduf9q$2nb$1@dont-email.me>

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On 4/27/17, 9:12 PM, in article oduf9q$2nb$1@dont-email.me, "Jonathan N.
Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> wrote:

> Snit wrote:
>> On 4/27/17, 8:21 PM, in article oducac$rpk$1@dont-email.me, "Jonathan N.
>> Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Snit wrote:
>>>> But if you look at COMPARABLE systems, which might not even be a reasonable
>>>> metric for what YOU want, then Macs are priced reasonably based on most
>>>> price comparisons.
>>> 
>>> Okay I guess I could have downgraded my system to meet the iMac
>>> specs...and if a still spent the same amount I wouldn't feel just a
>>> little twinge of regret?
>> 
>> Was it tiring to work that hard to miss the point?
> 
> Well I guess I don't see the advantage of getting lower performance for
> my money. Also with the added bonus of the inability to upgrade or
> extend the hardware! Oh and by "upgrade" not in the Apple sense, it does
> not mean replace with a new system.

Sounds like you have a system you like. Cool. So do I. If you disagree I am
open to suggestions on what system you think would serve me better and do so
at a lower price.

So you know a bit about my view of "power" on a computer: it is not about
the CPU or the GPU (though they can feed into it). It is about what *I* can
do. It is about how well the tool serves me. It is about how the system
promotes productivity, efficiency, and error-reduction.

THOSE are the things that matter to me. So for a system to serve me better
it has to work with tasks I am likely to do and do them as well or better
than how I do them now (which does not mean the same as I do them).

So maybe we can compare your system with mine with some common tasks. A fun
one to bring up, if only because it has been an ongoing source of amusement
in COLA, is to find an online resource you might print and has a print
format (such as a recipe, lesson plan, art project, etc.), but instead of
printing it converting it to a PDF where you can add notes (annotations) and
still allow the text to be selected so people can search for terms they
might not know and the like... and then be able to save and email it.

I am NOT saying this cannot be done on Windows. Or Linux. It absolutely can.
But I would love to see your workflow for this and how fast your system,
with its much faster CPU and GPU and hard drive than my aging iMac, can
handle this.

Also happy to look at other common tasks. Hey, maybe even adding an image to
a word processor document and adding an alpha channel, resizing and rotating
it, and having it be partially of the page. Again I pick this "challenge"
because it has been done before in COLA.

You can also add some. Show how well your system handles them. Maybe it will
handle some better and mine will handle others and we can both learn instead
of metaphorically flopping out our manhood and putting it on the table. I
have no interest in such nonsense.

> BTW IR input? Really? Who the hell still uses IR input?

I do. Pretty much daily. I watch movies as I ride an exercise bike and also
in bed at night (different machine). Having a remote for both is quite
handy!

> I have a 16-year-old laserjet with IR and even back then no one bothered with
> IR.

-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>

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