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| First post | 2025-11-29 20:25 +0000 |
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Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-29 20:25 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-29 22:59 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 10:30 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-30 14:45 +0100
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-30 21:46 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 10:24 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-30 16:54 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-11-30 13:04 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 18:13 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-30 19:20 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 19:53 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-01 00:10 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-11-30 20:57 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 01:34 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-01 03:40 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 04:50 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 10:28 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 05:57 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 11:31 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 22:47 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 11:06 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-02 20:42 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-05 22:40 +1100
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-05 13:05 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-06 22:44 +1100
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-06 23:27 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-07 23:53 +1100
Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-07 12:51 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-07 18:08 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-07 14:37 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 01:13 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-08 23:49 +1100
Re: The "Standards" Game Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-08 13:55 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-08 12:32 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 22:23 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 03:30 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-09 04:12 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-09 15:29 +0100
Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 21:01 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-09 14:23 -0800
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 20:15 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-09 20:44 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 02:24 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 20:56 +0000
Sopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-09 15:10 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-09 07:56 -0800
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 03:38 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 22:26 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 10:59 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-10 15:03 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 16:48 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-10 17:32 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 18:39 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 04:12 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-11 00:29 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 09:28 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 22:42 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-12 11:37 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-11 22:29 -0500
Invade America? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 13:49 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 02:12 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-10 22:32 +1100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-10 21:26 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 01:51 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 12:02 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-12-10 23:00 -0600
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-11 01:28 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 21:35 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-11 14:07 -0800
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-12 21:11 +1100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-12-12 10:33 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 13:58 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 13:54 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-13 21:14 +1100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-13 20:40 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 18:42 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-13 21:16 +1100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-13 19:46 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-13 23:52 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 09:17 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-14 22:02 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 13:32 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-15 00:49 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-15 05:18 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-16 21:36 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 09:27 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-11 21:14 +1100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 10:58 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 21:44 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-11 21:10 +1100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 14:23 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 13:38 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-11 21:22 +1100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 23:31 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 12:10 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 23:40 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 03:35 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-10 03:30 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 23:09 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 11:03 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 14:37 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-10 10:09 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-11 21:43 +1100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 12:17 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-11 18:39 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-11 23:34 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-12 21:37 +1100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-09 21:27 -0800
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 01:42 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 11:16 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 07:03 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 12:05 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 12:11 +0000
Dog poo "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 14:51 +0100
Re: Dog poo knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-12-10 10:08 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 02:37 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 09:01 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 12:23 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 21:33 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-11 14:03 -0800
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 12:12 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 21:57 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-13 21:39 +1100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-13 07:00 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-13 20:06 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-14 00:18 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 13:38 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 20:02 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 22:43 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-15 00:57 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-16 21:42 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-16 16:29 -0800
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-17 01:09 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-17 01:24 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-17 06:53 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-18 22:47 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-17 00:51 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-18 22:46 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-19 02:01 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-12-19 00:58 -0600
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-19 02:46 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-19 08:22 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-12-19 13:16 -0600
Underground fires "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-19 22:28 +0100
Re: Underground fires rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-20 04:48 +0000
Re: Underground fires "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-20 13:15 +0100
Re: Underground fires Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-20 12:14 -0500
Re: Underground fires "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-20 19:46 +0100
Re: Underground fires Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-20 16:42 -0500
Re: Underground fires "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-20 23:09 +0100
Re: Underground fires The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-21 02:11 +0000
Re: Underground fires rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 01:34 +0000
Burning things. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-26 22:42 +0100
Re: Underground fires c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-21 15:24 -0500
Re: Underground fires rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 23:10 +0000
Re: Underground fires Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-21 15:34 -0800
Re: Underground fires rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-22 06:47 +0000
Re: Underground fires c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-22 02:08 -0500
Re: Underground fires c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-22 01:53 -0500
Re: Underground fires Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-22 21:46 +1100
Re: Underground fires c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-22 07:35 -0500
Re: Underground fires Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-23 21:31 +1100
Re: Underground fires Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-23 06:40 -0500
Re: Underground fires The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-23 12:41 +0000
Re: Underground fires Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-23 21:18 +0000
Re: Underground fires Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-24 20:43 +1100
Re: Underground fires The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-24 13:12 +0000
Re: Underground fires Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-24 20:26 +1100
OT: Garbage disposal meets rocket science (was: Re: Underground fires) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-24 11:19 +0000
Re: Underground fires The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-24 13:04 +0000
Re: Underground fires c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-24 04:55 -0500
Re: Underground fires The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-24 13:13 +0000
Re: Underground fires Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-23 11:43 -0800
Re: Underground fires pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> - 2025-12-24 09:04 -0800
Re: Underground fires "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-27 12:37 +0100
Re: Underground fires c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-27 11:44 -0500
Toxics... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-26 22:47 +0100
Re: Underground fires Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-21 22:11 +1100
Re: Underground fires rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 20:34 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-19 02:12 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-13 22:48 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 09:16 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-12-15 01:05 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 04:22 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:27 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-15 19:17 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-14 22:01 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-15 21:52 +1100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 20:27 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 13:36 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 19:53 +0000
Forests... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 22:45 +0100
Re: Forests... Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-14 23:09 -0500
Re: Forests... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:24 +0000
Re: Forests... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 23:38 +0000
Re: Forests... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 10:48 +0000
Re: Forests... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 19:24 +0000
Re: Forests... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 18:59 +0000
Re: Forests... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-16 21:31 +1100
Re: Forests... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 19:15 +0000
Re: Forests... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-15 02:59 -0500
Re: Forests... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 19:28 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 12:13 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 22:22 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 09:17 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-11 05:00 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 22:14 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-12 11:35 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 18:21 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 17:51 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 20:39 +0000
Wood "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 19:50 +0100
Garbage bags "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 14:49 +0100
Re: Garbage bags knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-12-10 10:10 -0500
Re: Garbage bags The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 16:58 +0000
Re: Garbage bags rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 02:46 +0000
Re: Garbage bags The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 09:02 +0000
Re: Garbage bags rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 21:30 +0000
Re: Garbage bags Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-12-12 02:58 -0600
Re: Garbage bags "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 12:28 +0100
Re: Garbage bags The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 12:42 +0000
Trails, Dogshit and Plastic in Nature Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-11 13:51 +0000
Re: Trails, Dogshit and Plastic in Nature "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 20:14 +0100
Re: Garbage bags rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 20:20 +0000
Re: Garbage bags "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 22:22 +0100
Re: Garbage bags The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 16:47 +0000
Re: Garbage bags rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 02:44 +0000
Re: Garbage bags c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 23:51 -0500
Re: Garbage bags The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 09:24 +0000
Re: Garbage bags rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 21:48 +0000
Re: Garbage bags Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-11 13:56 -0800
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 14:44 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-10 21:26 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 02:30 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 12:37 +0100
Dogshit and bags Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-11 14:05 +0000
Re: Dogshit and bags "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 20:16 +0100
Re: Dogshit and bags rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 20:08 +0000
Re: Dogshit and bags Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> - 2025-12-12 09:09 +1100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 19:46 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 22:27 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 11:08 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-14 22:23 +1100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:19 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-16 23:13 +1100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 14:29 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-10 22:21 +1100
Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-10 22:14 +1100
Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 06:40 -0500
Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 11:53 +0000
Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-12 21:57 +1100
Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 18:50 +0000
Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-14 22:34 +1100
Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 20:27 +0000
Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-15 02:50 -0500
Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 20:44 +0000
Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-16 22:07 +0100
Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-17 01:15 +0000
Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-18 22:49 +0100
Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-19 04:27 -0500
Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-19 15:41 +0100
Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 14:55 +0100
Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-12 22:06 +1100
Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-12 21:48 +1100
Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 11:47 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-08 23:45 +1100
Autoblock feature of shopping carts. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 19:14 +0100
Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-07 15:04 -0500
Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 01:10 +0000
Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 04:41 +0000
Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-07 23:57 -0500
Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-08 05:49 +0000
Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-08 01:29 -0500
Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 08:29 +0000
Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 09:03 +0000
Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-08 22:23 +0000
Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 10:03 +0000
Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-09 16:13 +0000
Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 19:14 +0000
Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 20:21 -0500
Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-10 03:25 +0000
Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-08 01:58 -0500
Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-08 03:13 -0500
Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 08:14 +0000
Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-08 23:52 +1100
Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 23:15 +0000
Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-09 22:44 +1100
Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-07 21:56 -0500
Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-09 00:04 +1100
Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 22:46 +0000
Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 01:41 -0500
Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-09 22:46 +1100
Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 21:06 +0000
Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-11 22:12 +1100
Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 20:42 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-08 23:38 +1100
Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-01 22:19 +1100
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 11:33 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-01 21:25 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 21:48 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-02 02:51 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-02 06:05 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-02 04:57 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-03 16:09 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-03 23:03 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 07:00 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 23:21 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 22:49 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 11:12 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-02 21:14 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-03 11:24 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-03 22:13 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-04 12:32 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-05 23:14 +1100
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-05 21:36 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-06 22:52 +1100
Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-07 00:07 +1100
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-06 23:41 -0500
Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 19:25 +0100
Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-07 19:00 +0000
Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 20:33 +0000
Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 22:32 +0100
Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:56 +0000
Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-08 14:53 +0100
Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 22:31 +0100
Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-07 22:24 +0000
Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-08 14:53 +0100
Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-08 22:43 +0000
Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 10:11 +0000
Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-09 15:48 +0100
Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-09 16:18 +0000
Re: Double booting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-07 19:33 +0000
Re: Double booting Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-09 00:20 +1100
Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-08 14:59 +0100
Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 18:02 +0000
Re: Double booting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 22:41 +0000
Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 03:35 -0500
Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 10:09 +0000
Re: Double booting Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-09 22:53 +1100
Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 14:08 +0000
Re: Double booting Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-11 22:18 +1100
Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 12:36 +0000
Re: Double booting Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-12 22:11 +1100
Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 20:50 -0500
Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-10 03:05 +0000
Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 22:17 -0500
Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-10 03:25 +0000
Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 00:18 -0500
Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 10:52 +0000
Re: Double booting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 02:16 +0000
Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 08:58 +0000
Re: Double booting Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-14 22:38 +1100
Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 13:42 +0100
Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 10:49 +0000
Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 10:45 +0000
Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 20:28 -0500
GPS Based Speedometers Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-09 12:47 +0000
Re: GPS Based Speedometers knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-12-09 08:14 -0500
Re: GPS Based Speedometers The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 14:13 +0000
Re: GPS Based Speedometers Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-09 18:35 +0000
Re: GPS Based Speedometers rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 20:30 +0000
Re: GPS Based Speedometers Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-09 16:52 -0500
Re: GPS Based Speedometers Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 21:01 +0000
Re: GPS Based Speedometers The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 10:37 +0000
Re: GPS Based Speedometers Herbert Kleebauer <klee@unibwm.de> - 2025-12-09 16:24 +0100
Re: GPS Based Speedometers Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-09 18:39 +0000
Re: GPS Based Speedometers Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-14 23:06 +1100
Re: GPS Based Speedometers "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 13:43 +0100
Re: GPS Based Speedometers rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 19:09 +0000
Re: GPS Based Speedometers c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-15 00:12 -0500
Re: GPS Based Speedometers rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 19:55 +0000
Re: GPS Based Speedometers rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 20:46 +0000
Re: GPS Based Speedometers c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 21:31 -0500
Re: Double booting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 20:23 +0000
Re: Double booting Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-12-09 17:01 -0600
Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-10 03:15 +0000
Cars, motors "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 11:16 +0100
Re: Double booting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-10 03:18 +0000
Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 10:30 +0000
Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 05:59 -0500
Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 11:46 +0000
Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 11:11 +0100
Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 21:28 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 03:42 +0100
Re: Cars, engines... Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-11 21:49 -0800
Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 07:09 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-15 23:19 +1100
Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 18:26 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 14:19 +0100
Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-12 15:27 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 17:49 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 20:48 +0100
Re: Cars, engines... Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-13 15:40 -0800
Re: Cars, engines... CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-12-13 19:32 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-13 21:08 -0800
Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 01:32 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-13 21:14 -0800
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-14 01:33 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:18 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-16 23:26 +1100
Re: Cars, engines... Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 13:20 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 14:29 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-17 23:00 +1100
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-17 22:04 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-18 09:51 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 08:45 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:15 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:02 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 18:27 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-15 23:45 +1100
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-15 22:28 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-16 23:37 +1100
Re: Cars, engines... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-17 00:42 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-17 01:02 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-12-16 20:12 -0700
Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-18 22:56 +0100
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-19 02:15 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-19 15:42 +0100
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-20 03:53 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-20 13:20 +0100
Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-19 22:41 +1100
Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-19 23:15 +1100
Re: Cars, engines... Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-19 21:12 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-20 01:32 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-20 10:48 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-21 14:49 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-21 20:03 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-21 16:39 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-22 03:07 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-22 12:56 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-22 17:33 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-23 01:14 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-29 22:20 +0100
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 03:11 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-30 09:25 +0100
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 13:08 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-30 18:55 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 00:43 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-22 21:59 +1100
Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 14:32 +0100
Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-12 15:39 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 20:59 +0100
Re: Cars, engines... Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-13 02:52 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-13 06:11 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-14 03:48 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 08:50 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 13:51 +0100
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-13 04:06 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-13 21:03 +0100
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-14 00:03 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 13:59 +0100
Re: Cars, engines... Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-12-14 13:17 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 20:27 +0100
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-15 01:33 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-15 19:34 +0100
Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 19:23 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-16 22:17 +0100
Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 17:57 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 06:58 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-12 02:23 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-17 23:11 +1100
Re: Cars, engines... Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-12-17 12:28 -0600
Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-17 18:39 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-17 22:08 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-18 22:55 +1100
Re: Cars, engines... pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org> - 2025-12-18 06:01 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-12 11:29 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 17:31 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 17:50 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-13 00:13 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-13 06:18 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-13 02:08 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-13 19:44 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-13 23:46 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 09:12 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 20:29 +0100
Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 17:54 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-15 23:01 +1100
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-15 22:24 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 07:44 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 10:48 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-11 23:02 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 06:52 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-12 02:19 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 08:14 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-12 22:35 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-13 06:03 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 14:25 +0100
Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 14:23 +0100
Re: Double booting Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-09 22:50 +1100
Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-09 14:48 +0100
Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-09 18:50 +0000
Re: Double booting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 21:28 +0000
Re: Double booting Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-11 22:21 +1100
Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 12:56 +0100
Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 12:32 +0000
Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-09 18:46 +0000
Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 20:47 -0500
Re: Double booting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 22:39 +0000
Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 10:08 +0000
Re: Double booting Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-09 22:57 +1100
Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 14:09 +0000
Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-09 15:50 +0100
Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 19:11 +0000
Re: Double booting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 20:20 +0000
Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 10:27 +0000
Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 05:57 -0500
Wheels "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 11:20 +0100
Re: Wheels Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-11 18:51 +0000
Re: Wheels "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 20:21 +0100
Re: Wheels Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-11 19:40 +0000
Re: Wheels "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 22:29 +0100
Re: Wheels rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 21:23 +0000
Re: Wheels "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 14:44 +0100
Re: Wheels rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 19:12 +0000
Re: Wheels "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-13 23:55 +0100
Re: Wheels rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 01:36 +0000
Re: Wheels Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-17 23:51 +1100
Re: Wheels "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-18 23:07 +0100
Re: Wheels rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-19 03:24 +0000
Re: Wheels Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-12-19 00:55 -0600
Re: Wheels "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-19 15:46 +0100
Re: Wheels rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-19 19:09 +0000
Re: Wheels "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-19 22:42 +0100
Re: Wheels c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-20 03:56 -0500
Rubber "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-20 13:32 +0100
Re: Rubber Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-12-20 13:37 +0000
Re: Rubber rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 02:06 +0000
Re: Rubber Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-20 12:26 -0500
Re: Rubber Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-20 20:45 +0000
Re: Rubber rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 02:03 +0000
Re: Rubber Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> - 2025-12-20 21:38 -0700
Re: Rubber candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-12-24 14:10 +0000
Re: Rubber Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-22 01:00 +0000
Re: Rubber rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 01:52 +0000
Re: Rubber "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-29 22:26 +0100
Re: Wheels Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-19 05:06 -0500
Re: Wheels rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-19 18:48 +0000
Re: Wheels Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-19 19:26 +0000
Re: Wheels "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-19 22:49 +0100
Re: Wheels rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-20 05:01 +0000
Re: Wheels Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-19 22:48 +1100
Re: Wheels "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-19 15:51 +0100
Re: Wheels rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-19 18:54 +0000
Re: Wheels c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-20 01:50 -0500
Re: Wheels "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-20 13:47 +0100
Re: Wheels rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 01:48 +0000
Re: Wheels rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 01:42 +0000
Re: Wheels c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-11 23:15 -0500
Re: Wheels "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 14:50 +0100
Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 03:20 +0100
Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 00:22 -0500
Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 11:22 +0100
Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-11 23:20 -0500
Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-12 11:42 +0000
Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-13 01:48 -0500
Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 14:54 +0100
Re: Double booting Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-18 00:14 +1100
Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-17 22:06 -0500
Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 10:54 +0000
Re: Double booting Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-11 22:23 +1100
Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 12:57 +0100
Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 12:39 +0000
Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-09 19:02 +0000
Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-08 22:51 +0000
Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-07 22:04 -0500
Re: Double booting John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-08 09:16 -0800
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-06 12:17 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-05 22:19 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-06 23:02 +1100
Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-06 07:59 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-07 00:20 +1100
Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-05 22:54 +1100
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-05 21:34 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-05 22:22 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-05 23:26 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-06 12:16 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-06 12:13 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 21:41 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-02 05:50 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 10:51 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-02 20:32 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-03 11:17 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-03 21:43 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 07:09 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-02 04:43 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 10:50 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-02 20:31 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-03 11:15 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-05 23:21 +1100
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 09:40 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 04:53 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 10:17 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 05:55 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-01 22:27 +1100
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 22:09 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-02 01:56 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 11:00 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-02 21:27 +0100
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 20:41 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-02 20:37 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-03 11:19 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-02 20:26 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-05 23:37 +1100
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 10:57 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 11:30 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 22:46 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-02 21:40 +0100
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 20:46 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-03 00:12 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-03 11:31 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-03 16:53 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-03 20:18 +0000
Shareholder primacy (was: Re: The "Standards" Game) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-04 00:10 +0000
Re: Shareholder primacy (was: Re: The "Standards" Game) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 02:28 +0000
Re: Shareholder primacy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-04 12:24 +0000
Re: Shareholder primacy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 18:24 +0000
Re: Shareholder primacy John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-04 11:08 -0800
Re: Shareholder primacy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 23:18 +0000
Re: Shareholder primacy c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-05 03:55 -0500
Re: Shareholder primacy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-05 18:45 +0000
Re: Shareholder primacy c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-06 04:24 -0500
Re: Shareholder primacy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-06 11:55 +0000
Re: Shareholder primacy c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-06 23:48 -0500
Re: Shareholder primacy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 11:33 +0000
Re: Shareholder primacy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-06 11:52 +0000
Re: Shareholder primacy Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-06 23:44 +1100
Re: Shareholder primacy Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-06 23:40 +1100
Re: Shareholder primacy c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-03 21:38 -0500
Re: Shareholder primacy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 07:12 +0000
Re: Shareholder primacy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-04 12:35 +0000
Re: Shareholder primacy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-04 12:26 +0000
Re: Shareholder primacy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 18:20 +0000
Re: Shareholder primacy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-04 19:28 +0000
Re: Shareholder primacy (was: Re: The "Standards" Game) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-04 08:06 -0800
Re: Shareholder primacy Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-12-04 14:36 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-12-01 12:25 -0600
Re: The "Standards" Game Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-01 18:35 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 19:19 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-01 21:29 +0000
Re: Fighter Jets (The "Standards" Game) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-02 02:42 +0000
Re: Fighter Jets (The "Standards" Game) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-02 06:13 +0000
Re: Fighter Jets (The "Standards" Game) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-03 14:44 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 09:39 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 04:51 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-30 14:41 +0100
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-12 15:39 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Cars, engines... |
| Message-ID | <10hhd0a$30anl$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #78929 |
On 12/12/2025 13:32, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-12-12 06:49, Bobbie Sellers wrote: >> >> >> On 12/11/25 18:42, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> On 2025-12-11 22:28, rbowman wrote: >>>> On Thu, 11 Dec 2025 11:11:00 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>> >>>>> The next car my father bought, a Peugeot 205, was the first we had >>>>> with >>>>> hydraulic clutch, same reservoir as the brakes. Bought maybe 1984. I >>>>> remember the first time I drove it, my father warned me the brakes >>>>> were >>>>> brutal. Yet I was surprised by them, the car stopped brutally. Vacuum >>>>> servo-assist. >>>> >>>> I don't think they do it as much anymore but automatic transmission >>>> cars >>>> used to have very wide brake pedals, presumably to allow for braking >>>> with >>>> your left foot. Brutal was when your manual transmission muscle memory >>>> kicked in, you attempted to hit the clutch pedal, and got the brake >>>> instead. >>> >>> I never drove an automatic car. >>> >>> I guess my left leg kicks differently than my right, because the >>> pedals have different feeling, specially when the brake was not >>> assisted and I had to push really hard (decades ago). >>> >>> Steering was also an exercise. No servo. Cars were lighter, though. >>> Not over a ton. >>> >> >> Ah you are a European with sensible designers. In the USA a car >> that weighed >> under a ton would be foreign made except for a few lightweights back >> in the 1930s. >> I do not think a family sedan such as my parents used weighed >> under 2 tons. >> Of course that time was over 68 years ago. And steering was real >> exercise and >> brakes were unassisted. > > My Renault Super 5 TL weighted 850 Kg (1874 pounds). A 42 horse engine > (31KW). If memory serves. I could do 140Km/h on a flat. > I'm driving a Seat Ibiza as a courtesy car. 3 cylinder engine, 5 speed manual, more bhp than my old British sports cars ever had (not sure, but think 85) and 60+ miles to the (UK) gallon. Weight is about 1000kg. Will exceed legal road speeds given a bit of time You could probably fit two in the average US parking slot. Of all the shitty European shopping trolleys, I always found Seat and Skoda to be above average and not expensive. Fiats fall to pieces. VWs cost too much Renault are just awful Worse then any British Leyland car ever was. Peugeots rust. Vauxhall/Opel are just plain boring. Toyota think they are designing space ships, but they cant handle being on terra firma at all. Ford are pretty good these days. None of these worth importing to the USA because of Big Beautiful Tariffs,. -- “The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools.” Herbert Spencer
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-12 20:59 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Cars, engines... |
| Message-ID | <dq8u0mxreu.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #78936 |
On 2025-12-12 16:39, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 12/12/2025 13:32, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-12-12 06:49, Bobbie Sellers wrote: >>> On 12/11/25 18:42, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>> On 2025-12-11 22:28, rbowman wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 11 Dec 2025 11:11:00 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> >> My Renault Super 5 TL weighted 850 Kg (1874 pounds). A 42 horse engine >> (31KW). If memory serves. I could do 140Km/h on a flat. >> > > I'm driving a Seat Ibiza as a courtesy car. 3 cylinder engine, 5 speed > manual, more bhp than my old British sports cars ever had (not sure, but > think 85) and 60+ miles to the (UK) gallon. Weight is about 1000kg. Will > exceed legal road speeds given a bit of time 3 cylinders! I thought only Japanese did those. My second car was an Ibiza. Diesel engine, 1.9 litres. 65 horses (48KW)? No turbo. Mechanical injection. Drank too much. Not speedy, but good enough. > > > You could probably fit two in the average US parking slot. > Of all the shitty European shopping trolleys, I always found Seat and > Skoda to be above average and not expensive. I intended to buy another Ibiza as third car, but it was just some 15 cm longer and would no longer fit inside my parking garage. The same dealer sold Opel, and the chap tested the demo Corsa in my garage. I bought it. Also a diesel, but turbo. Would accelerate very nicely. Around 80 or 90 horses (58..66 KW). I now have another Corsa, but gasoline. Less acceleration than the diesel, has no turbo. > > > Fiats fall to pieces. > VWs cost too much > Renault are just awful Worse then any British Leyland car ever was. > Peugeots rust. > Vauxhall/Opel are just plain boring. > Toyota think they are designing space ships, but they cant handle being > on terra firma at all. > Ford are pretty good these days. > :-) > None of these worth importing to the USA because of Big Beautiful Tariffs,. Heh. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-13 02:52 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Cars, engines... |
| Message-ID | <slrn10jpl79.1knh6.lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> |
| In reply to | #78949 |
On 2025-12-12 16:39, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> None of these worth importing to the USA because of Big Beautiful Tariffs,. Also, there is no dealer network and spareparts distribution. That is the real showstopper; that is why Fiat could never be viable in the US: N o matter what the problem was, the car would sit at the shop until parts could come in from Europe. (A colleague back in Denmark has the same issue when he bought a Jauar E-type.) -- Lars Poulsen - an old geek in Santa Barbara, California
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-13 06:11 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Cars, engines... |
| Message-ID | <mq4ec6FncdU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #78958 |
On Sat, 13 Dec 2025 02:52:25 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen wrote: > On 2025-12-12 16:39, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> None of these worth importing to the USA because of Big Beautiful >>> Tariffs,. > > Also, there is no dealer network and spareparts distribution. That is > the real showstopper; that is why Fiat could never be viable in the US: > N o matter what the problem was, the car would sit at the shop until > parts could come in from Europe. (A colleague back in Denmark has the > same issue when he bought a Jauar E-type.) My brush with Fiat was a 124 Sport Spider. I got to visit in the shop frequently and even drove it a couple of times. Meanwhile I was driving a '73 Mustang loaner. The end of the relationship was a rather heated discussion at the dealers. A suitable for work version was 'I'm keeping the Mustang and you keep the @~*&# Spider' I may have threatened to part the Spider in his office. There are a couple of the new 500s around town. I don't know how that's working out for the people.
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| From | Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-14 03:48 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Cars, engines... |
| Message-ID | <slrn10jsct3.3cejn.lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> |
| In reply to | #78964 |
On 2025-12-13, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > There are a couple of the new 500s around town. I don't know how that's > working out for the people. The new Fiat 500 (which like the new Minis are a lot bigger han the original ones) have sold decently through the Chrysler (now Stellantis) distribution, and I would expect the Chrysler network to stock spares for them. -- Lars Poulsen - an old geek in Santa Barbara, California
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-14 08:50 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Cars, engines... |
| Message-ID | <mq7c2gFfj38U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #79046 |
On Sun, 14 Dec 2025 03:48:51 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen wrote: > On 2025-12-13, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >> There are a couple of the new 500s around town. I don't know how that's >> working out for the people. > > The new Fiat 500 (which like the new Minis are a lot bigger han the > original ones) have sold decently through the Chrysler (now Stellantis) > distribution, and I would expect the Chrysler network to stock spares > for them. I see some irony in my Toyota Yaris being closer to the original Mini concept than the rather expensive reinvention. The same can be said for the new Beetle and 500. Watching the originals in the SCCA races at Limerock was fun. They could embarrass much more powerful classes when the going go twisty.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-14 13:51 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Cars, engines... |
| Message-ID | <3fo21mxjjj.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #79060 |
On 2025-12-14 09:50, rbowman wrote: > On Sun, 14 Dec 2025 03:48:51 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen wrote: > >> On 2025-12-13, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>> There are a couple of the new 500s around town. I don't know how that's >>> working out for the people. >> >> The new Fiat 500 (which like the new Minis are a lot bigger han the >> original ones) have sold decently through the Chrysler (now Stellantis) >> distribution, and I would expect the Chrysler network to stock spares >> for them. > > I see some irony in my Toyota Yaris being closer to the original Mini > concept than the rather expensive reinvention. The same can be said for > the new Beetle and 500. I don't like those reinventions. Biggish and expensive. > > Watching the originals in the SCCA races at Limerock was fun. They could > embarrass much more powerful classes when the going go twisty. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-12-13 04:06 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Cars, engines... |
| Message-ID | <Gp2cnUksbIMYsaD0nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #78958 |
On 12/12/25 21:52, Lars Poulsen wrote: > On 2025-12-12 16:39, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> None of these worth importing to the USA because of Big Beautiful Tariffs,. > > Also, there is no dealer network and spareparts distribution. That is > the real showstopper; that is why Fiat could never be viable in the US: > N o matter what the problem was, the car would sit at the shop until > parts could come in from Europe. (A colleague back in Denmark has the > same issue when he bought a Jauar E-type.) "Parts" are a BIG deal ... and one that most overlook. Japan/Korea made sure you could get parts rather easily ... but most EU makers never did. Right now, Americans should stick to American-made vehicles ... maybe Japanese if they dare. Otherwise yer expensive vehicle sits around for a month until something can be dug up and shipped from Sweden or wherever. American-made don't have the best service rep ... but they CAN be fixed quickly.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-13 21:03 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Cars, engines... |
| Message-ID | <lct01mxmku.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #78975 |
On 2025-12-13 10:06, c186282 wrote: > On 12/12/25 21:52, Lars Poulsen wrote: >> On 2025-12-12 16:39, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>> None of these worth importing to the USA because of Big Beautiful >>>> Tariffs,. >> >> Also, there is no dealer network and spareparts distribution. That is >> the real showstopper; that is why Fiat could never be viable in the US: >> N o matter what the problem was, the car would sit at the shop until >> parts could come in from Europe. (A colleague back in Denmark has the >> same issue when he bought a Jauar E-type.) > > "Parts" are a BIG deal ... and one that most > overlook. Japan/Korea made sure you could get > parts rather easily ... but most EU makers > never did. My father had an Austin 1300. Initially things were well, but then Austin abandoned Spain, I don't know why. This would be in the late 70's. Spares became difficult or impossible to find, and we are talking about UK and Spain, not Japan. Not that far away. We used parts from other brands, but better from junk yards. The motor broke one teeth of the inertia wheel, that has teeth for the starter motor. One broke, so sometimes the starter would spin "empty". We had to push the car with gear engaged for just a bit, then try the starter again. I think the garage replaced the thing with a part from a Fiat. The problem then became that the motor would get stuck. Different shape of teeth. Finally the garage man found a wheel at a junk yard. That worked fine. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-12-14 00:03 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Cars, engines... |
| Message-ID | <kAqdnZv4GInb2KP0nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #79025 |
On 12/13/25 15:03, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-12-13 10:06, c186282 wrote: >> On 12/12/25 21:52, Lars Poulsen wrote: >>> On 2025-12-12 16:39, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>>> None of these worth importing to the USA because of Big Beautiful >>>>> Tariffs,. >>> >>> Also, there is no dealer network and spareparts distribution. That is >>> the real showstopper; that is why Fiat could never be viable in the US: >>> N o matter what the problem was, the car would sit at the shop until >>> parts could come in from Europe. (A colleague back in Denmark has the >>> same issue when he bought a Jauar E-type.) >> >> "Parts" are a BIG deal ... and one that most >> overlook. Japan/Korea made sure you could get >> parts rather easily ... but most EU makers >> never did. > > My father had an Austin 1300. Initially things were well, but then > Austin abandoned Spain, I don't know why. This would be in the late > 70's. Spares became difficult or impossible to find, and we are talking > about UK and Spain, not Japan. Not that far away. We used parts from > other brands, but better from junk yards. > > The motor broke one teeth of the inertia wheel, that has teeth for the > starter motor. One broke, so sometimes the starter would spin "empty". > We had to push the car with gear engaged for just a bit, then try the > starter again. > > I think the garage replaced the thing with a part from a Fiat. The > problem then became that the motor would get stuck. Different shape of > teeth. Finally the garage man found a wheel at a junk yard. That worked > fine. It IS possible to weld new teeth on a cast-iron gear, I watched someone do it. Takes an EXPERT though and special weld material and some pre-heating. The smith made a profile template using epoxy paste. Then it's hand-filing. Apply template, see what needs adjusting, repeat. After four or five passes yer new tooth is "good enough". Took the guy about 90 minutes - and he CHARGED accordingly. HOWEVER if you just CAN'T find a replacement part, well .....
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-14 13:59 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Cars, engines... |
| Message-ID | <3vo21mxn6r.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #79052 |
On 2025-12-14 06:03, c186282 wrote: > On 12/13/25 15:03, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-12-13 10:06, c186282 wrote: >>> On 12/12/25 21:52, Lars Poulsen wrote: >>>> On 2025-12-12 16:39, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>>>> None of these worth importing to the USA because of Big Beautiful >>>>>> Tariffs,. >>>> >>>> Also, there is no dealer network and spareparts distribution. That is >>>> the real showstopper; that is why Fiat could never be viable in the US: >>>> N o matter what the problem was, the car would sit at the shop until >>>> parts could come in from Europe. (A colleague back in Denmark has the >>>> same issue when he bought a Jauar E-type.) >>> >>> "Parts" are a BIG deal ... and one that most >>> overlook. Japan/Korea made sure you could get >>> parts rather easily ... but most EU makers >>> never did. >> >> My father had an Austin 1300. Initially things were well, but then >> Austin abandoned Spain, I don't know why. This would be in the late >> 70's. Spares became difficult or impossible to find, and we are >> talking about UK and Spain, not Japan. Not that far away. We used >> parts from other brands, but better from junk yards. >> >> The motor broke one teeth of the inertia wheel, that has teeth for the >> starter motor. One broke, so sometimes the starter would spin "empty". >> We had to push the car with gear engaged for just a bit, then try the >> starter again. >> >> I think the garage replaced the thing with a part from a Fiat. The >> problem then became that the motor would get stuck. Different shape of >> teeth. Finally the garage man found a wheel at a junk yard. That >> worked fine. > > It IS possible to weld new teeth on a cast-iron gear, > I watched someone do it. Takes an EXPERT though and > special weld material and some pre-heating. The smith > made a profile template using epoxy paste. Then it's > hand-filing. Apply template, see what needs adjusting, > repeat. After four or five passes yer new tooth is > "good enough". Took the guy about 90 minutes - and > he CHARGED accordingly. HOWEVER if you just CAN'T > find a replacement part, well ..... My father would not know about that, nor me. I don't know if the mechanic knew but did not suggest it. No internet at the time to find out, and Spain was getting out of the dark ages (Franco times). The same care broke a palier later (not sure if that word is used in English). The short iron rod transmitting rotation from motor to front wheel. The mechanic bought a longer one from another car, cut a bit out of the centre, and soldered it back. https://share.google/TgOnbjTffax1tGRe8 Fortunately, my parents bought a new car soon after that and sold the Austin. The person buying it was happy, bought it for spares. Said ours was in better state than his. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2025-12-14 13:17 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Cars, engines... |
| Message-ID | <10hmddi$12ap3$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #79083 |
Carlos E.R. wrote: [snip] >>> The motor broke one teeth tooth (singular), the plural is teeth > of the inertia wheel flywheel > The same car broke a palier later (not sure if that word is used in > English). The short iron (more likely steel) rod transmitting rotation from motor to front wheel Probably we would call that a drive-shaft, or a half-shaft (since there would be two, one each for left and right). Interesting that when I look up palier in a Spanish > English dictionary it suggests "bearing", which suggests that the compiler of the dictionary didn't understand engineering ... -- Graham J
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-14 20:27 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Cars, engines... |
| Message-ID | <umf31mxp18.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #79084 |
On 2025-12-14 14:17, Graham J wrote: > Carlos E.R. wrote: > > [snip] > >>>> The motor broke one teeth > tooth (singular), the plural is teeth > >> of the inertia wheel > flywheel Right. > >> The same car broke a palier later (not sure if that word is used in >> English). The short iron (more likely steel) rod transmitting rotation >> from motor to front wheel > Probably we would call that a drive-shaft, or a half-shaft (since there > would be two, one each for left and right). > > Interesting that when I look up palier in a Spanish > English dictionary > it suggests "bearing", which suggests that the compiler of the > dictionary didn't understand engineering ... > DeepL suggested palier. It is actually a French word. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-12-15 01:33 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Cars, engines... |
| Message-ID | <ZB6cnXowSuxVNqL0nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #79083 |
On 12/14/25 07:59, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-12-14 06:03, c186282 wrote: >> On 12/13/25 15:03, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> On 2025-12-13 10:06, c186282 wrote: >>>> On 12/12/25 21:52, Lars Poulsen wrote: >>>>> On 2025-12-12 16:39, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>>>>> None of these worth importing to the USA because of Big Beautiful >>>>>>> Tariffs,. >>>>> >>>>> Also, there is no dealer network and spareparts distribution. That is >>>>> the real showstopper; that is why Fiat could never be viable in the >>>>> US: >>>>> N o matter what the problem was, the car would sit at the shop until >>>>> parts could come in from Europe. (A colleague back in Denmark has the >>>>> same issue when he bought a Jauar E-type.) >>>> >>>> "Parts" are a BIG deal ... and one that most >>>> overlook. Japan/Korea made sure you could get >>>> parts rather easily ... but most EU makers >>>> never did. >>> >>> My father had an Austin 1300. Initially things were well, but then >>> Austin abandoned Spain, I don't know why. This would be in the late >>> 70's. Spares became difficult or impossible to find, and we are >>> talking about UK and Spain, not Japan. Not that far away. We used >>> parts from other brands, but better from junk yards. >>> >>> The motor broke one teeth of the inertia wheel, that has teeth for >>> the starter motor. One broke, so sometimes the starter would spin >>> "empty". We had to push the car with gear engaged for just a bit, >>> then try the starter again. >>> >>> I think the garage replaced the thing with a part from a Fiat. The >>> problem then became that the motor would get stuck. Different shape >>> of teeth. Finally the garage man found a wheel at a junk yard. That >>> worked fine. >> >> It IS possible to weld new teeth on a cast-iron gear, >> I watched someone do it. Takes an EXPERT though and >> special weld material and some pre-heating. The smith >> made a profile template using epoxy paste. Then it's >> hand-filing. Apply template, see what needs adjusting, >> repeat. After four or five passes yer new tooth is >> "good enough". Took the guy about 90 minutes - and >> he CHARGED accordingly. HOWEVER if you just CAN'T >> find a replacement part, well ..... > > My father would not know about that, nor me. I don't know if the > mechanic knew but did not suggest it. No internet at the time to find > out, and Spain was getting out of the dark ages (Franco times). > > The same care broke a palier later (not sure if that word is used in > English). The short iron rod transmitting rotation from motor to front > wheel. The mechanic bought a longer one from another car, cut a bit out > of the centre, and soldered it back. > > https://share.google/TgOnbjTffax1tGRe8 "Palier" ??? Took me awhile to even look that up. I get two main images ... one looks like a bolt-on "pillow bearing" and the other refers to the tube each transverse differential shaft runs inside. Was afraid, by your def, it referred to some kind of crank-shaft method of driving the wheels rather than using gear-to-gear. MAYbe on some antique farm equipment. Lubrication would be a pain and it'd make the ride very clunky. Anyway, it IS possible to weld/repair cast iron parts - but you DO need an expert and will PAY accordingly. It's not something you do in your garage with a torch or 'buzz-box' welder. BUT, for those with beloved antique vehicles, ya gotta do what ya gotta do. > Fortunately, my parents bought a new car soon after that and sold the > Austin. The person buying it was happy, bought it for spares. Said ours > was in better state than his. Worse "spare" situation I ever heard of, the older Russian "Ural" motorcycles - pre-90s. They were very cheap, but the rule of thumb was to buy TWO so you could have enough good parts to make ONE that ran. Apparently there's no term for 'quality control' in Russian :-) I've ridden the 90s+ ones ... they're fun - but they're NOT a trike, special techniques are needed. HELPS to put a 100lb bag of sand in the sidecar. Also do NOT try to hold a really tight line down the road, you'll go mad. They DRIFT about a foot or so but AVERAGE straight ahead. So, you just LET them drift.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-15 19:34 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Cars, engines... |
| Message-ID | <2u061mxcrq.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #79137 |
On 2025-12-15 07:33, c186282 wrote: > On 12/14/25 07:59, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-12-14 06:03, c186282 wrote: >>> On 12/13/25 15:03, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>> On 2025-12-13 10:06, c186282 wrote: >>>>> On 12/12/25 21:52, Lars Poulsen wrote: >>>>>> On 2025-12-12 16:39, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>>>>>> None of these worth importing to the USA because of Big >>>>>>>> Beautiful Tariffs,. >>>>>> >>>>>> Also, there is no dealer network and spareparts distribution. That is >>>>>> the real showstopper; that is why Fiat could never be viable in >>>>>> the US: >>>>>> N o matter what the problem was, the car would sit at the shop until >>>>>> parts could come in from Europe. (A colleague back in Denmark has the >>>>>> same issue when he bought a Jauar E-type.) >>>>> >>>>> "Parts" are a BIG deal ... and one that most >>>>> overlook. Japan/Korea made sure you could get >>>>> parts rather easily ... but most EU makers >>>>> never did. >>>> >>>> My father had an Austin 1300. Initially things were well, but then >>>> Austin abandoned Spain, I don't know why. This would be in the late >>>> 70's. Spares became difficult or impossible to find, and we are >>>> talking about UK and Spain, not Japan. Not that far away. We used >>>> parts from other brands, but better from junk yards. >>>> >>>> The motor broke one teeth of the inertia wheel, that has teeth for >>>> the starter motor. One broke, so sometimes the starter would spin >>>> "empty". We had to push the car with gear engaged for just a bit, >>>> then try the starter again. >>>> >>>> I think the garage replaced the thing with a part from a Fiat. The >>>> problem then became that the motor would get stuck. Different shape >>>> of teeth. Finally the garage man found a wheel at a junk yard. That >>>> worked fine. >>> >>> It IS possible to weld new teeth on a cast-iron gear, >>> I watched someone do it. Takes an EXPERT though and >>> special weld material and some pre-heating. The smith >>> made a profile template using epoxy paste. Then it's >>> hand-filing. Apply template, see what needs adjusting, >>> repeat. After four or five passes yer new tooth is >>> "good enough". Took the guy about 90 minutes - and >>> he CHARGED accordingly. HOWEVER if you just CAN'T >>> find a replacement part, well ..... >> >> My father would not know about that, nor me. I don't know if the >> mechanic knew but did not suggest it. No internet at the time to find >> out, and Spain was getting out of the dark ages (Franco times). >> >> The same care broke a palier later (not sure if that word is used in >> English). The short iron rod transmitting rotation from motor to front >> wheel. The mechanic bought a longer one from another car, cut a bit >> out of the centre, and soldered it back. >> >> https://share.google/TgOnbjTffax1tGRe8 > > "Palier" ??? Took me awhile to even look that up. > I get two main images ... one looks like a bolt-on > "pillow bearing" and the other refers to the tube > each transverse differential shaft runs inside. The photo on the link should clarify ;-) Wikipedia suggests "Shaft", but that is too generic. > > Was afraid, by your def, it referred to some kind > of crank-shaft method of driving the wheels rather > than using gear-to-gear. MAYbe on some antique > farm equipment. Lubrication would be a pain and > it'd make the ride very clunky. > > Anyway, it IS possible to weld/repair cast iron > parts - but you DO need an expert and will PAY > accordingly. It's not something you do in your > garage with a torch or 'buzz-box' welder. BUT, > for those with beloved antique vehicles, ya gotta > do what ya gotta do. > >> Fortunately, my parents bought a new car soon after that and sold the >> Austin. The person buying it was happy, bought it for spares. Said >> ours was in better state than his. > > Worse "spare" situation I ever heard of, the older > Russian "Ural" motorcycles - pre-90s. They were very > cheap, but the rule of thumb was to buy TWO so you > could have enough good parts to make ONE that ran. > Apparently there's no term for 'quality control' > in Russian :-) :-D > I've ridden the 90s+ ones ... they're fun - but > they're NOT a trike, special techniques are needed. > HELPS to put a 100lb bag of sand in the sidecar. > Also do NOT try to hold a really tight line down > the road, you'll go mad. They DRIFT about a foot > or so but AVERAGE straight ahead. So, you just > LET them drift. Chuckle :-D -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-15 19:23 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Cars, engines... |
| Message-ID | <10hpn6p$24636$9@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #79180 |
On 15/12/2025 18:34, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> >> "Palier" ??? Took me awhile to even look that up. >> I get two main images ... one looks like a bolt-on >> "pillow bearing" and the other refers to the tube >> each transverse differential shaft runs inside. > > The photo on the link should clarify 😉 > > Wikipedia suggests "Shaft", but that is too generic. Its what we call a 'half shaft' - from the differential, to the wheel. May or may not be enclosed. -- “it should be clear by now to everyone that activist environmentalism (or environmental activism) is becoming a general ideology about humans, about their freedom, about the relationship between the individual and the state, and about the manipulation of people under the guise of a 'noble' idea. It is not an honest pursuit of 'sustainable development,' a matter of elementary environmental protection, or a search for rational mechanisms designed to achieve a healthy environment. Yet things do occur that make you shake your head and remind yourself that you live neither in Joseph Stalin’s Communist era, nor in the Orwellian utopia of 1984.” Vaclav Klaus
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-16 22:17 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Cars, engines... |
| Message-ID | <7su81mxu2o.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #79197 |
On 2025-12-15 20:23, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 15/12/2025 18:34, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> >>> "Palier" ??? Took me awhile to even look that up. >>> I get two main images ... one looks like a bolt-on >>> "pillow bearing" and the other refers to the tube >>> each transverse differential shaft runs inside. >> >> The photo on the link should clarify 😉 >> >> Wikipedia suggests "Shaft", but that is too generic. > > Its what we call a 'half shaft' - from the differential, to the wheel. > May or may not be enclosed. That makes sense. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-15 17:57 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Cars, engines... |
| Message-ID | <10hpi6j$22juh$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #78975 |
On 13/12/2025 09:06, c186282 wrote: > Right now, Americans should stick to American-made > vehicles ... No vehicle is 'American made' Car parts are a global market. -- You can get much farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone. Al Capone
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-12 06:58 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Cars, engines... |
| Message-ID | <mq1sofFi5cdU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #78860 |
On Fri, 12 Dec 2025 03:42:57 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > I never drove an automatic car. She was around 70 when I had to convince my mother she could drive an automatic. She'd only been driving since 1921 and had taught her father how to drive. She adapted to AT, power brakes, and power steering nicely. My first car was an automatic but I eventually replaced the tired Torqueflight with a manual. Easier said than done.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-12-12 02:23 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Cars, engines... |
| Message-ID | <3p-cnSiRUa5KX6b0nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #78875 |
On 12/12/25 01:58, rbowman wrote: > On Fri, 12 Dec 2025 03:42:57 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> I never drove an automatic car. > > She was around 70 when I had to convince my mother she could drive an > automatic. She'd only been driving since 1921 and had taught her father > how to drive. She adapted to AT, power brakes, and power steering nicely. > > My first car was an automatic but I eventually replaced the tired > Torqueflight with a manual. Easier said than done. My first 'car' was an old Ford pick-up ... three on the tree. The previous owner had tweaked the differential - you had to add about 10mph to whatever the speedometer said. Did get excellent mileage though.
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