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| First post | 2025-12-02 21:14 -0500 |
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Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-02 21:14 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-03 11:24 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-03 22:13 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-04 12:32 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-05 23:14 +1100
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-05 21:36 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-06 22:52 +1100
Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-07 00:07 +1100
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-06 23:41 -0500
Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 19:25 +0100
Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-07 19:00 +0000
Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 20:33 +0000
Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 22:32 +0100
Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:56 +0000
Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-08 14:53 +0100
Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 22:31 +0100
Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-07 22:24 +0000
Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-08 14:53 +0100
Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-08 22:43 +0000
Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 10:11 +0000
Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-09 15:48 +0100
Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-09 16:18 +0000
Re: Double booting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-07 19:33 +0000
Re: Double booting Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-09 00:20 +1100
Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-08 14:59 +0100
Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 18:02 +0000
Re: Double booting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 22:41 +0000
Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 03:35 -0500
Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 10:09 +0000
Re: Double booting Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-09 22:53 +1100
Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 14:08 +0000
Re: Double booting Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-11 22:18 +1100
Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 12:36 +0000
Re: Double booting Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-12 22:11 +1100
Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 20:50 -0500
Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-10 03:05 +0000
Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 22:17 -0500
Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-10 03:25 +0000
Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 00:18 -0500
Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 10:52 +0000
Re: Double booting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 02:16 +0000
Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 08:58 +0000
Re: Double booting Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-14 22:38 +1100
Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 13:42 +0100
Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 10:49 +0000
Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 10:45 +0000
Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 20:28 -0500
GPS Based Speedometers Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-09 12:47 +0000
Re: GPS Based Speedometers knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-12-09 08:14 -0500
Re: GPS Based Speedometers The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 14:13 +0000
Re: GPS Based Speedometers Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-09 18:35 +0000
Re: GPS Based Speedometers rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 20:30 +0000
Re: GPS Based Speedometers Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-09 16:52 -0500
Re: GPS Based Speedometers Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 21:01 +0000
Re: GPS Based Speedometers The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 10:37 +0000
Re: GPS Based Speedometers Herbert Kleebauer <klee@unibwm.de> - 2025-12-09 16:24 +0100
Re: GPS Based Speedometers Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-09 18:39 +0000
Re: GPS Based Speedometers Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-14 23:06 +1100
Re: GPS Based Speedometers "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 13:43 +0100
Re: GPS Based Speedometers rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 19:09 +0000
Re: GPS Based Speedometers c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-15 00:12 -0500
Re: GPS Based Speedometers rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 19:55 +0000
Re: GPS Based Speedometers rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 20:46 +0000
Re: GPS Based Speedometers c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 21:31 -0500
Re: Double booting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 20:23 +0000
Re: Double booting Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-12-09 17:01 -0600
Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-10 03:15 +0000
Cars, motors "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 11:16 +0100
Re: Double booting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-10 03:18 +0000
Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 10:30 +0000
Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 05:59 -0500
Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 11:46 +0000
Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 11:11 +0100
Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 21:28 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 03:42 +0100
Re: Cars, engines... Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-11 21:49 -0800
Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 07:09 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-15 23:19 +1100
Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 18:26 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 14:19 +0100
Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-12 15:27 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 17:49 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 20:48 +0100
Re: Cars, engines... Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-13 15:40 -0800
Re: Cars, engines... CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-12-13 19:32 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-13 21:08 -0800
Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 01:32 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-13 21:14 -0800
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-14 01:33 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:18 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-16 23:26 +1100
Re: Cars, engines... Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 13:20 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 14:29 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-17 23:00 +1100
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-17 22:04 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-18 09:51 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 08:45 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:15 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:02 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 18:27 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-15 23:45 +1100
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-15 22:28 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-16 23:37 +1100
Re: Cars, engines... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-17 00:42 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-17 01:02 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-12-16 20:12 -0700
Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-18 22:56 +0100
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-19 02:15 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-19 15:42 +0100
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-20 03:53 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-20 13:20 +0100
Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-19 22:41 +1100
Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-19 23:15 +1100
Re: Cars, engines... Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-19 21:12 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-20 01:32 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-20 10:48 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-21 14:49 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-21 20:03 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-21 16:39 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-22 03:07 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-22 12:56 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-22 17:33 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-23 01:14 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-29 22:20 +0100
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 03:11 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-30 09:25 +0100
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 13:08 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-30 18:55 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 00:43 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-22 21:59 +1100
Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 14:32 +0100
Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-12 15:39 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 20:59 +0100
Re: Cars, engines... Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-13 02:52 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-13 06:11 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-14 03:48 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 08:50 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 13:51 +0100
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-13 04:06 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-13 21:03 +0100
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-14 00:03 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 13:59 +0100
Re: Cars, engines... Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-12-14 13:17 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 20:27 +0100
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-15 01:33 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-15 19:34 +0100
Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 19:23 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-16 22:17 +0100
Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 17:57 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 06:58 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-12 02:23 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-17 23:11 +1100
Re: Cars, engines... Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-12-17 12:28 -0600
Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-17 18:39 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-17 22:08 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-18 22:55 +1100
Re: Cars, engines... pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org> - 2025-12-18 06:01 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-12 11:29 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 17:31 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 17:50 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-13 00:13 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-13 06:18 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-13 02:08 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-13 19:44 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-13 23:46 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 09:12 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 20:29 +0100
Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 17:54 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-15 23:01 +1100
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-15 22:24 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 07:44 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 10:48 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-11 23:02 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 06:52 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-12 02:19 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 08:14 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-12 22:35 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-13 06:03 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 14:25 +0100
Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 14:23 +0100
Re: Double booting Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-09 22:50 +1100
Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-09 14:48 +0100
Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-09 18:50 +0000
Re: Double booting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 21:28 +0000
Re: Double booting Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-11 22:21 +1100
Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 12:56 +0100
Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 12:32 +0000
Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-09 18:46 +0000
Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 20:47 -0500
Re: Double booting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 22:39 +0000
Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 10:08 +0000
Re: Double booting Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-09 22:57 +1100
Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 14:09 +0000
Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-09 15:50 +0100
Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 19:11 +0000
Re: Double booting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 20:20 +0000
Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 10:27 +0000
Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 05:57 -0500
Wheels "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 11:20 +0100
Re: Wheels Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-11 18:51 +0000
Re: Wheels "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 20:21 +0100
Re: Wheels Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-11 19:40 +0000
Re: Wheels "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 22:29 +0100
Re: Wheels rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 21:23 +0000
Re: Wheels "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 14:44 +0100
Re: Wheels rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 19:12 +0000
Re: Wheels "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-13 23:55 +0100
Re: Wheels rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 01:36 +0000
Re: Wheels Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-17 23:51 +1100
Re: Wheels "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-18 23:07 +0100
Re: Wheels rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-19 03:24 +0000
Re: Wheels Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-12-19 00:55 -0600
Re: Wheels "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-19 15:46 +0100
Re: Wheels rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-19 19:09 +0000
Re: Wheels "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-19 22:42 +0100
Re: Wheels c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-20 03:56 -0500
Rubber "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-20 13:32 +0100
Re: Rubber Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-12-20 13:37 +0000
Re: Rubber rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 02:06 +0000
Re: Rubber Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-20 12:26 -0500
Re: Rubber Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-20 20:45 +0000
Re: Rubber rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 02:03 +0000
Re: Rubber Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> - 2025-12-20 21:38 -0700
Re: Rubber candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-12-24 14:10 +0000
Re: Rubber Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-22 01:00 +0000
Re: Rubber rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 01:52 +0000
Re: Rubber "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-29 22:26 +0100
Re: Wheels Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-19 05:06 -0500
Re: Wheels rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-19 18:48 +0000
Re: Wheels Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-19 19:26 +0000
Re: Wheels "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-19 22:49 +0100
Re: Wheels rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-20 05:01 +0000
Re: Wheels Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-19 22:48 +1100
Re: Wheels "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-19 15:51 +0100
Re: Wheels rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-19 18:54 +0000
Re: Wheels c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-20 01:50 -0500
Re: Wheels "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-20 13:47 +0100
Re: Wheels rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 01:48 +0000
Re: Wheels rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 01:42 +0000
Re: Wheels c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-11 23:15 -0500
Re: Wheels "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 14:50 +0100
Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 03:20 +0100
Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 00:22 -0500
Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 11:22 +0100
Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-11 23:20 -0500
Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-12 11:42 +0000
Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-13 01:48 -0500
Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 14:54 +0100
Re: Double booting Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-18 00:14 +1100
Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-17 22:06 -0500
Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 10:54 +0000
Re: Double booting Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-11 22:23 +1100
Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 12:57 +0100
Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 12:39 +0000
Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-09 19:02 +0000
Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-08 22:51 +0000
Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-07 22:04 -0500
Re: Double booting John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-08 09:16 -0800
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-06 12:17 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-05 22:19 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-06 23:02 +1100
Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-06 07:59 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-07 00:20 +1100
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-11 20:21 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Wheels |
| Message-ID | <n6ir0mxs7j.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #78820 |
On 2025-12-11 19:51, Lars Poulsen wrote: > On 12/10/25 05:27, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>> Otherwise a flat tyre would tear itself off the rim' > > On 2025-12-10 11:57, c186282 wrote: >>> Umm ... they DO ... or at least TRY. It's just >>> that the rim is too stiff to 'tear' much unless >>> under extreme load. HAVE seen it on 18-wheelers ... >>> entire giant tire breaking loose, then rolling >>> at 80mph and bouncing randomly off an overpass. >>> Deadly if you were in the path ..... > > On 2025-12-11, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >> Once I overtook a lorry, very early morning. One of the rear wheels >> was... how can I say... the sides of the rubber were intact, but the >> part that touches the asphalt was loose, turning wildly at the 100Km/h >> the lorry was doing. We were bewildered, not knowing what to do. > > Get away - fast! Put distance between yourself and that truck before > the inevitable bad event!! And be thankful you are not behind it. The moment I saw it there were two things to do: brake or accelerate fast. I chose accelerate (there were cars behind me). But we did not know how to warn the driver or what to do otherwise, we were taken aback. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-11 19:40 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Wheels |
| Message-ID | <%6F_Q.5366$0PAa.841@fx18.iad> |
| In reply to | #78784 |
On 2025-12-11, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > On 2025-12-10 11:57, c186282 wrote: > >> On 12/10/25 05:27, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> >>> Otherwise a flat tyre would tear itself off the rim' >> >> Umm ... they DO ... or at least TRY. It's just >> that the rim is too stiff to 'tear' much unless >> under extreme load. HAVE seen it on 18-wheelers ... >> entire giant tire breaking loose, then rolling >> at 80mph and bouncing randomly off an overpass. >> Deadly if you were in the path ..... > > Once I overtook a lorry, very early morning. One of the rear wheels > was... how can I say... the sides of the rubber were intact, but the > part that touches the asphalt was loose, turning wildly at the 100Km/h > the lorry was doing. We were bewildered, not knowing what to do. That sounds like a retread de-laminating. Sometimes the entire tread will peel off in one piece - I see them lying beside the road sometimes. Or they'll break up bit by bit, throwing chunks several inches long in every direction. One night I found myself behind a truck where this was happening. It was raining heavily, making for a surreal sight: steaming chunks of rubber flying everywhere before coming to rest on the road. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-11 22:29 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Wheels |
| Message-ID | <0mpr0mxr9p.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #78825 |
On 2025-12-11 20:40, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2025-12-11, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > >> On 2025-12-10 11:57, c186282 wrote: >> >>> On 12/10/25 05:27, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> >>>> Otherwise a flat tyre would tear itself off the rim' >>> >>> Umm ... they DO ... or at least TRY. It's just >>> that the rim is too stiff to 'tear' much unless >>> under extreme load. HAVE seen it on 18-wheelers ... >>> entire giant tire breaking loose, then rolling >>> at 80mph and bouncing randomly off an overpass. >>> Deadly if you were in the path ..... >> >> Once I overtook a lorry, very early morning. One of the rear wheels >> was... how can I say... the sides of the rubber were intact, but the >> part that touches the asphalt was loose, turning wildly at the 100Km/h >> the lorry was doing. We were bewildered, not knowing what to do. > > That sounds like a retread de-laminating. Sometimes the entire tread > will peel off in one piece - I see them lying beside the road sometimes. Right. > Or they'll break up bit by bit, throwing chunks several inches long in > every direction. One night I found myself behind a truck where this was > happening. It was raining heavily, making for a surreal sight: steaming > chunks of rubber flying everywhere before coming to rest on the road. Deadly. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-11 21:23 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Wheels |
| Message-ID | <mq0r1uFcdl6U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #78784 |
On Thu, 11 Dec 2025 11:20:41 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-12-10 11:57, c186282 wrote: >> On 12/10/25 05:27, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> On 09/12/2025 20:20, rbowman wrote: > > >>> Otherwise a flat tyre would tear itself off the rim' >> >> Umm ... they DO ... or at least TRY. It's just that the rim is too >> stiff to 'tear' much unless under extreme load. HAVE seen it on >> 18-wheelers ... >> entire giant tire breaking loose, then rolling at 80mph and >> bouncing randomly off an overpass. Deadly if you were in the path >> ..... > > Once I overtook a lorry, very early morning. One of the rear wheels > was... how can I say... the sides of the rubber were intact, but the > part that touches the asphalt was loose, turning wildly at the 100Km/h > the lorry was doing. We were bewildered, not knowing what to do. The resulting debris is referred to as an 'alligator' here. https://www.sttc.com/where-do-road-alligators-come-from/ The site might be biased since they're retreaders. I don't know if it was legislation or economics but there used to be retreaded passenger car tires but for big trucks retreads are widely used , usually on the trailers. Theoretically you're supposed to check the inflation daily but with 18 tires the common practice is to 'thump' them. A 6-cell Maglite is good for that. The correct inflation is 100-110 psi but a tire down to 60 psi still sounds the same. It has to be really low before you get sort of a dead sound. I haven't driven in 30 years so I don't know if TPMS are common now. They're certainly available https://www.noregon.com/commercial-tire-pressure-monitoring-systems/ Even in the '90s a new 22.5 tire ran about $275 so getting the most life out of them made sense.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-12 14:44 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Wheels |
| Message-ID | <2rit0mxofv.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #78837 |
On 2025-12-11 22:23, rbowman wrote: > On Thu, 11 Dec 2025 11:20:41 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> On 2025-12-10 11:57, c186282 wrote: >>> On 12/10/25 05:27, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>> On 09/12/2025 20:20, rbowman wrote: >> >> >>>> Otherwise a flat tyre would tear itself off the rim' >>> >>> Umm ... they DO ... or at least TRY. It's just that the rim is too >>> stiff to 'tear' much unless under extreme load. HAVE seen it on >>> 18-wheelers ... >>> entire giant tire breaking loose, then rolling at 80mph and >>> bouncing randomly off an overpass. Deadly if you were in the path >>> ..... >> >> Once I overtook a lorry, very early morning. One of the rear wheels >> was... how can I say... the sides of the rubber were intact, but the >> part that touches the asphalt was loose, turning wildly at the 100Km/h >> the lorry was doing. We were bewildered, not knowing what to do. > > The resulting debris is referred to as an 'alligator' here. > > https://www.sttc.com/where-do-road-alligators-come-from/ > > The site might be biased since they're retreaders. I don't know if it was > legislation or economics but there used to be retreaded passenger car > tires but for big trucks retreads are widely used , usually on the > trailers. I forgot about retreading. Yes, it was a thing for passenger cars in 1950..1980 in Spain (guessing the range). > > Theoretically you're supposed to check the inflation daily but with 18 > tires the common practice is to 'thump' them. A 6-cell Maglite is good for > that. The correct inflation is 100-110 psi but a tire down to 60 psi still > sounds the same. It has to be really low before you get sort of a dead > sound. > > I haven't driven in 30 years so I don't know if TPMS are common now. > They're certainly available > > https://www.noregon.com/commercial-tire-pressure-monitoring-systems/ > > Even in the '90s a new 22.5 tire ran about $275 so getting the most life > out of them made sense. My current car has pressure sensors on the 4 wheels. I can read the values in the dash display. I think the sensor is in the valve, with a battery and a radio. Two weeks ago I was driving a courtesy car while my car was in the garage: same type of car, an Opel Corsa, but newer. It doesn't measure the pressure; instead it alerts you of low pressure. It actually activated one night, and I had to go to a station to fill air. The meter there said 1.8 or 1.9 Kg/cm². Minimum rated was 2.2, max close to 3. So I inflated to 2.5, same as my car. Once inflated, you press a button to reset the sensors. I prefer the system in my car. I think some system of the sort is currently mandatory in the EU. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-12 19:12 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Wheels |
| Message-ID | <mq37p1Fp7k8U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #78930 |
On Fri, 12 Dec 2025 14:44:34 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > My current car has pressure sensors on the 4 wheels. I can read the > values in the dash display. I think the sensor is in the valve, with a > battery and a radio. Yes. My car reports low pressure by turning on a light, but not the pressure in each tire. The wheels with the studded tires don't have sensors so the light is on during the winter. When you bought new tires there was always a charge for new valve stems that I thought was a bit of a scam. The first time I bought tires for a car with sensors I thought they wouldn't charge for new stems. No, they charged for 'rebuilding' the sensors. I think you can replace the battery in some, but not all, models so it still smells like a scam.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-13 23:55 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Wheels |
| Message-ID | <vf711mx7lr.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #78943 |
On 2025-12-12 20:12, rbowman wrote: > On Fri, 12 Dec 2025 14:44:34 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> My current car has pressure sensors on the 4 wheels. I can read the >> values in the dash display. I think the sensor is in the valve, with a >> battery and a radio. > > Yes. My car reports low pressure by turning on a light, but not the > pressure in each tire. The wheels with the studded tires don't have > sensors so the light is on during the winter. > > When you bought new tires there was always a charge for new valve stems > that I thought was a bit of a scam. The first time I bought tires for a > car with sensors I thought they wouldn't charge for new stems. No, they > charged for 'rebuilding' the sensors. I think you can replace the battery > in some, but not all, models so it still smells like a scam. I still have not changed the rubbers on my current car. It has nearly 90000 Km, and I usually get around 95000 Km out of them. So I will find that out soon. Within a year, probably. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-14 01:36 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Wheels |
| Message-ID | <mq6ik1Fbh9aU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #79029 |
On Sat, 13 Dec 2025 23:55:27 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > I still have not changed the rubbers on my current car. It has nearly > 90000 Km, and I usually get around 95000 Km out of them. So I will find > that out soon. Within a year, probably. The OEM tires on the 2018 are doing better but on previous models Toyota was playing the fleet mileage game by using low rolling resistance tires. They are also low on tread life. They were shot at about 30000 km on a lightweight subcompact.
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| From | Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> |
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| Date | 2025-12-17 23:51 +1100 |
| Subject | Re: Wheels |
| Message-ID | <10hu90n$3fold$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #79029 |
On 14/12/2025 9:55 am, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-12-12 20:12, rbowman wrote: >> On Fri, 12 Dec 2025 14:44:34 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> >>> My current car has pressure sensors on the 4 wheels. I can read the >>> values in the dash display. I think the sensor is in the valve, with a >>> battery and a radio. >> >> Yes. My car reports low pressure by turning on a light, but not the >> pressure in each tire. The wheels with the studded tires don't have >> sensors so the light is on during the winter. >> >> When you bought new tires there was always a charge for new valve stems >> that I thought was a bit of a scam. The first time I bought tires for a >> car with sensors I thought they wouldn't charge for new stems. No, they >> charged for 'rebuilding' the sensors. I think you can replace the battery >> in some, but not all, models so it still smells like a scam. > > I still have not changed the rubbers on my current car. It has nearly > 90000 Km, and I usually get around 95000 Km out of them. So I will find > that out soon. Within a year, probably. > WOW!! 95,000 Km!! I thought I was doing well getting 60,000 - 65,000 out of a set of tyres on my Mazda 3!! -- Daniel70
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-18 23:07 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Wheels |
| Message-ID | <4hae1mxvct.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #79377 |
On 2025-12-17 13:51, Daniel70 wrote: > On 14/12/2025 9:55 am, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-12-12 20:12, rbowman wrote: >>> On Fri, 12 Dec 2025 14:44:34 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> >>>> My current car has pressure sensors on the 4 wheels. I can read the >>>> values in the dash display. I think the sensor is in the valve, with a >>>> battery and a radio. >>> >>> Yes. My car reports low pressure by turning on a light, but not the >>> pressure in each tire. The wheels with the studded tires don't have >>> sensors so the light is on during the winter. >>> >>> When you bought new tires there was always a charge for new valve stems >>> that I thought was a bit of a scam. The first time I bought tires for a >>> car with sensors I thought they wouldn't charge for new stems. No, they >>> charged for 'rebuilding' the sensors. I think you can replace the >>> battery >>> in some, but not all, models so it still smells like a scam. >> >> I still have not changed the rubbers on my current car. It has nearly >> 90000 Km, and I usually get around 95000 Km out of them. So I will >> find that out soon. Within a year, probably. >> > WOW!! 95,000 Km!! I thought I was doing well getting 60,000 - 65,000 out > of a set of tyres on my Mazda 3!! Yes, I know. I have done it three times :-) I just switch the front wheels to the rear, and the rear to the front, at about 30000 Km, ⅓ of life. The front wheels get more worn out than the rear, so I have to do that trick so that the four do last. The mechanic doesn't like it, but I know my way of driving :-) The current mechanic doubted and checked the date of the rubbers. He said you do not want the rubber to crystallize and develop little cracks. But he checked and they were Ok. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-19 03:24 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Wheels |
| Message-ID | <mqjurhFiooeU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #79449 |
On Thu, 18 Dec 2025 23:07:00 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > I just switch the front wheels to the rear, and the rear to the front, > at about 30000 Km, ⅓ of life. The front wheels get more worn out than > the rear, so I have to do that trick so that the four do last. The > mechanic doesn't like it, but I know my way of driving The Toyota maintenance schedule is to rotate the tires every 5000 miles. When I switch to studs in the winter I mark the LF, LR, RF, and RR tires and in the spring put the LF on the LR etc and call it good enough. I still don't get 90k km.
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| From | Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-19 00:55 -0600 |
| Subject | Re: Wheels |
| Message-ID | <0dt9kklgum5gv5l3r9m3j3th2ntvp1hstp@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #79458 |
On 19 Dec 2025 03:24:33 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >On Thu, 18 Dec 2025 23:07:00 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> I just switch the front wheels to the rear, and the rear to the front, >> at about 30000 Km, ? of life. The front wheels get more worn out than >> the rear, so I have to do that trick so that the four do last. The >> mechanic doesn't like it, but I know my way of driving > >The Toyota maintenance schedule is to rotate the tires every 5000 miles. >When I switch to studs in the winter I mark the LF, LR, RF, and RR tires >and in the spring put the LF on the LR etc and call it good enough. I >still don't get 90k km. 90,000 km is only a little over 55,000 miles. I got 85,000 miles from the factory stock tires on my car, and I replaced those with tires that had an 80,000 mile warranty. I'm almost certain I'll be selling that car long before I can wear out the current set. On my pickup, I replaced the factory tires at 26,000 miles, but I replaced them because they were 10 years old, not because the tread was worn.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-19 15:46 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Wheels |
| Message-ID | <v35g1mxvv1.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #79467 |
On 2025-12-19 07:55, Char Jackson wrote: > On 19 Dec 2025 03:24:33 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > >> On Thu, 18 Dec 2025 23:07:00 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> >>> I just switch the front wheels to the rear, and the rear to the front, >>> at about 30000 Km, ? of life. The front wheels get more worn out than >>> the rear, so I have to do that trick so that the four do last. The >>> mechanic doesn't like it, but I know my way of driving >> >> The Toyota maintenance schedule is to rotate the tires every 5000 miles. >> When I switch to studs in the winter I mark the LF, LR, RF, and RR tires >> and in the spring put the LF on the LR etc and call it good enough. I >> still don't get 90k km. > > 90,000 km is only a little over 55,000 miles. I got 85,000 miles from > the factory stock tires on my car, and I replaced those with tires that > had an 80,000 mile warranty. I'm almost certain I'll be selling that car > long before I can wear out the current set. > > On my pickup, I replaced the factory tires at 26,000 miles, but I > replaced them because they were 10 years old, not because the tread was > worn. Some rubber last long. This is an Opel Corsa with the factory Continental rubbers. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-19 19:09 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Wheels |
| Message-ID | <mqlm6fFrm29U3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #79490 |
On Fri, 19 Dec 2025 15:46:55 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > Some rubber last long. This is an Opel Corsa with the factory > Continental rubbers. The original rear tire on my Sportster lasted close to 20,000 miles. It was a Dunlop tire often referred to by Sportster riders as Dunrocks. Great tread life, not so great traction. I replaced them with Bridgestone Spitfires. I only got 8,000 miles on the rear but the miles were more fun :) In the US manufacturers game the EPA fleet mileage requirements by installing low rolling resistance tires. You can get LRR tires with compounds that increase tire life but they cost more. The Yaris is Toyota's cheapest model so the OEM tires aren't premium. Toyota must have gotten a good deal because the first one had Bridgestone Potenzas which are usually sold as a performance tire. They are not optimized for long life.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-19 22:42 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Wheels |
| Message-ID | <qftg1mxvg9.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #79505 |
On 2025-12-19 20:09, rbowman wrote: > On Fri, 19 Dec 2025 15:46:55 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> Some rubber last long. This is an Opel Corsa with the factory >> Continental rubbers. > > The original rear tire on my Sportster lasted close to 20,000 miles. It > was a Dunlop tire often referred to by Sportster riders as Dunrocks. Great > tread life, not so great traction. I replaced them with Bridgestone > Spitfires. I only got 8,000 miles on the rear but the miles were more > fun :) > > In the US manufacturers game the EPA fleet mileage requirements by > installing low rolling resistance tires. You can get LRR tires with > compounds that increase tire life but they cost more. The Yaris is > Toyota's cheapest model so the OEM tires aren't premium. Toyota must have > gotten a good deal because the first one had Bridgestone Potenzas which > are usually sold as a performance tire. They are not optimized for long > life. I just looked at <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_rolling_resistance_tire> looking for pros and cons, but did not find them. So I asked ChatGPT: Sure! Here’s a clear, balanced overview. ## Low Rolling Resistance (LRR) Tires — Pros & Cons ### ✅ Pros **1. Better fuel efficiency / range** * Reduced energy loss as the tire rolls * Improves fuel economy in combustion cars * Extends range in hybrids and EVs **2. Lower CO₂ emissions** * Less fuel or energy used → fewer emissions * One of the easiest efficiency upgrades **3. Quieter ride (often)** * Many LRR tires are designed to reduce road noise * Especially noticeable at steady highway speeds **4. Less heat buildup** * Lower internal friction means cooler running * Can slightly improve tire longevity in some use cases **5. Good for daily driving** * Optimized for commuting and long-distance travel * Often tuned for comfort rather than aggressive performance --- ### ❌ Cons **1. Reduced grip (especially wet or cold)** * Harder rubber compounds reduce rolling resistance * Can mean longer braking distances * Cornering grip is often lower than performance tires **2. Worse performance in snow or ice** * Not ideal for winter conditions unless specifically designed as LRR winter tires * Less tread flexibility at low temperatures **3. Less responsive handling** * Softer sidewalls and efficiency-focused design * Steering may feel less “connected” or sporty **4. Can cost more** * Advanced materials and compounds increase price * Savings come back over time via fuel/energy savings **5. Not ideal for heavy loads or towing** * Efficiency-focused designs may wear faster under high loads * Can feel less stable when fully loaded --- ### ⚖️ When LRR Tires Make Sense * Daily commuting * Highway driving * Hybrids and EVs * Drivers prioritizing efficiency, comfort, and low noise ### ⚠️ When They’re Not the Best Choice * Sporty or aggressive driving * Frequent snow, ice, or off-road conditions * Towing or carrying heavy loads * Performance-oriented vehicles --- ### Bottom line Low rolling resistance tires trade **efficiency and comfort** for **grip and performance**. They’re excellent for economical, everyday driving but not ideal if traction and handling are top priorities. If you want, tell me: * Vehicle type (ICE, hybrid, EV) * Climate * Driving style I can help you decide whether LRR tires are a good match or suggest alternatives. Well, there is no snow or ice in my area, thus LRR tires are fine for me. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-12-20 03:56 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Wheels |
| Message-ID | <1l-dndF71dlS-dv0nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #79490 |
On 12/19/25 09:46, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-12-19 07:55, Char Jackson wrote: >> On 19 Dec 2025 03:24:33 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 18 Dec 2025 23:07:00 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> >>>> I just switch the front wheels to the rear, and the rear to the front, >>>> at about 30000 Km, ? of life. The front wheels get more worn out than >>>> the rear, so I have to do that trick so that the four do last. The >>>> mechanic doesn't like it, but I know my way of driving >>> >>> The Toyota maintenance schedule is to rotate the tires every 5000 miles. >>> When I switch to studs in the winter I mark the LF, LR, RF, and RR tires >>> and in the spring put the LF on the LR etc and call it good enough. I >>> still don't get 90k km. >> >> 90,000 km is only a little over 55,000 miles. I got 85,000 miles from >> the factory stock tires on my car, and I replaced those with tires that >> had an 80,000 mile warranty. I'm almost certain I'll be selling that car >> long before I can wear out the current set. >> >> On my pickup, I replaced the factory tires at 26,000 miles, but I >> replaced them because they were 10 years old, not because the tread was >> worn. > > Some rubber last long. This is an Opel Corsa with the factory > Continental rubbers. Rubber, even quality rubber, EVENTUALLY goes stiff and rots. It's chemistry. Spend just a LITTLE more money on 'quality' and you buy a LOT more slack.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-20 13:32 +0100 |
| Subject | Rubber |
| Message-ID | <lkhi1mxqq1.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #79552 |
On 2025-12-20 09:56, c186282 wrote: > On 12/19/25 09:46, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-12-19 07:55, Char Jackson wrote: >>> On 19 Dec 2025 03:24:33 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On Thu, 18 Dec 2025 23:07:00 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>> >>>>> I just switch the front wheels to the rear, and the rear to the front, >>>>> at about 30000 Km, ? of life. The front wheels get more worn out than >>>>> the rear, so I have to do that trick so that the four do last. The >>>>> mechanic doesn't like it, but I know my way of driving >>>> >>>> The Toyota maintenance schedule is to rotate the tires every 5000 >>>> miles. >>>> When I switch to studs in the winter I mark the LF, LR, RF, and RR >>>> tires >>>> and in the spring put the LF on the LR etc and call it good enough. I >>>> still don't get 90k km. >>> >>> 90,000 km is only a little over 55,000 miles. I got 85,000 miles from >>> the factory stock tires on my car, and I replaced those with tires that >>> had an 80,000 mile warranty. I'm almost certain I'll be selling that car >>> long before I can wear out the current set. >>> >>> On my pickup, I replaced the factory tires at 26,000 miles, but I >>> replaced them because they were 10 years old, not because the tread was >>> worn. >> >> Some rubber last long. This is an Opel Corsa with the factory >> Continental rubbers. > > > Rubber, even quality rubber, EVENTUALLY goes stiff > and rots. It's chemistry. > Yes. This is what the mechanic checked at the last revision (less than a year ago). > Spend just a LITTLE more money on 'quality' and > you buy a LOT more slack. For some reason, I was using at my fifties some boots that were bought when I was a teenager. Size was correct, soles had their crests and valleys, not much used, but little actual grip. I finally threw them away. About then or earlier I bough some good boots for mountain sports. I think I actually used them 4 times over the years, but the last time, the sole got unglued from the rest of the boot, on both boots, like a gaping mouth, at the start of the trek. The boots were not even ten years old, maybe 6. The rubber was still soft, but the boots were garbage material. Fault of the glue, or one intermediate layer that decomposed. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-20 13:37 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Rubber |
| Message-ID | <10i6cbk.19j0.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #79572 |
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: [...] > About then or earlier I bough some good boots for mountain sports. I > think I actually used them 4 times over the years, but the last time, > the sole got unglued from the rest of the boot, on both boots, like a > gaping mouth, at the start of the trek. The boots were not even ten > years old, maybe 6. The rubber was still soft, but the boots were > garbage material. Fault of the glue, or one intermediate layer that > decomposed. A long, long time ago: Me, the (then still small) kids and my wife, walking along a narrow mountain path in Austria, me in front. At some point, my wife and kids noticed a sole on the path. We kept going. But one of my feet was feeling the stones much more, all of a sudden. You 'guessed' it: It was *my* sole. Went back and tied the sole to the boot with a pair of shoe-laces. Like you, it was an old pair of boots, which hadn't be used for many years (while the kids were growing up) and yes, they also were 'cheap' boots.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-21 02:06 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Rubber |
| Message-ID | <mqp31aFdqp5U9@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #79575 |
On 20 Dec 2025 13:37:47 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote: > Like you, it was an old pair of boots, which hadn't be used for many > years (while the kids were growing up) and yes, they also were 'cheap' > boots. My sole problem was with a relative new pair of expensive boots. Italian carmakers really don't expect you to dive their cars in below freezing weather; German boot makers don't expect you to be skipping over hot volcanic rock.
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-20 12:26 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Rubber |
| Message-ID | <10i6m8i$252ev$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #79572 |
On Sat, 12/20/2025 7:32 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote: > > For some reason, I was using at my fifties some boots that were bought > when I was a teenager. Size was correct, soles had their crests and valleys, > not much used, but little actual grip. I finally threw them away. > > About then or earlier I bough some good boots for mountain sports. I think > I actually used them 4 times over the years, but the last time, the sole > got unglued from the rest of the boot, on both boots, like a gaping mouth, > at the start of the trek. The boots were not even ten years old, maybe 6. > The rubber was still soft, but the boots were garbage material. Fault of > the glue, or one intermediate layer that decomposed. These things don't happen by accident by the way. It's "designed" to fail at four years. Someone is crass enough, to figure out the interval at which "consumers will accept a defect". Goods don't have to fail that way, and the price does not have to increase all that much, to stop it from happening. They're not attempting to build the best footwear possible. Just the gravelly appearance of the material in the sole core, shows it was designed to fail. The material in soles is no longer as good as the footwear we used to make. There is even less care than normal about "frictional wear characteristic". Let us take my Weed Whacker line as an example. I go to the hardware store, to buy line for the trimmer. I fit the line. I go to use it. The cord snaps after about 5 seconds use. Normally, you would auto-dispense another piece of cord. Another five seconds passes. The piece snaps off. This has NOTHING to do with cheapness. The line costs the same amount as decent line. But the nylon has been fabricated for pre-mature failure, such that one trimming session uses up the entire reel. I would not care, except my time is wasted feeding line into the stupid thing. I gave up, and put the trimmer away for the season, knowing I am working with commercial IDIOTS. If every supplier does this, we're screwed. Paul
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