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Re: The "Standards" Game

Started byrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
First post2025-11-29 20:25 +0000
Last post2025-11-30 14:41 +0100
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  Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-29 20:25 +0000
    Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-29 22:59 -0500
      Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 10:30 +0000
        Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-30 14:45 +0100
        Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-30 21:46 -0500
    Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 10:24 +0000
      Re: The "Standards" Game Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-30 16:54 +0000
        Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-11-30 13:04 -0500
        Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 18:13 +0000
        Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-30 19:20 +0000
          Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 19:53 +0000
        Re: The "Standards" Game Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-01 00:10 +0000
          Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-11-30 20:57 -0500
            Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 01:34 -0500
              Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-01 03:40 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 04:50 -0500
                  Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 10:28 +0000
                    Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 05:57 -0500
                      Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 11:31 +0000
                        Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 22:47 -0500
                          Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 11:06 +0000
                            Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-02 20:42 -0500
                            Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-05 22:40 +1100
                              Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-05 13:05 +0000
                                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-06 22:44 +1100
                                  Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-06 23:27 -0500
                                    Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-07 23:53 +1100
                                      Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-07 12:51 -0500
                                        Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-07 18:08 +0000
                                          Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-07 14:37 -0500
                                            Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 01:13 +0000
                                              Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-08 23:49 +1100
                                              Re: The "Standards" Game Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-08 13:55 +0000
                                                Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-08 12:32 -0500
                                                  Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 22:23 +0000
                                                    Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 03:30 -0500
                                                      Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-09 04:12 -0500
                                                        Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-09 15:29 +0100
                                                        Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 21:01 +0000
                                                          Re: The "Standards" Game Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-09 14:23 -0800
                                                        Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 20:15 -0500
                                                          Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-09 20:44 -0500
                                                            Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 02:24 -0500
                                                      Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 20:56 +0000
                                                Sopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-09 15:10 +0100
                                                  Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-09 07:56 -0800
                                                    Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 03:38 +0100
                                                      Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 22:26 -0500
                                                        Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 10:59 +0000
                                                          Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-10 15:03 +0000
                                                            Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 16:48 +0000
                                                              Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-10 17:32 +0000
                                                                Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 18:39 +0000
                                                                  Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 04:12 +0000
                                                              Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-11 00:29 -0500
                                                                Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 09:28 +0000
                                                                  Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 22:42 +0000
                                                                    Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-12 11:37 +0000
                                                                  Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-11 22:29 -0500
                                                                    Invade America? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 13:49 +0100
                                                          Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 02:12 +0000
                                                        Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-10 22:32 +1100
                                                          Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-10 21:26 +0000
                                                          Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 01:51 +0000
                                                            Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 12:02 +0100
                                                          Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-12-10 23:00 -0600
                                                            Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-11 01:28 -0500
                                                              Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 21:35 +0000
                                                                Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-11 14:07 -0800
                                                                  Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-12 21:11 +1100
                                                                    Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-12-12 10:33 +0000
                                                                      Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 13:58 +0100
                                                                    Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 13:54 +0100
                                                                      Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-13 21:14 +1100
                                                                        Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-13 20:40 +0100
                                                                    Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 18:42 +0000
                                                                      Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-13 21:16 +1100
                                                                        Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-13 19:46 +0000
                                                                          Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-13 23:52 -0500
                                                                            Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 09:17 +0000
                                                                              Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-14 22:02 -0500
                                                                            Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 13:32 +0100
                                                                              Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-15 00:49 -0500
                                                                                Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-15 05:18 -0500
                                                                                Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-16 21:36 +0100
                                                            Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 09:27 +0000
                                                              Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-11 21:14 +1100
                                                                Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 10:58 +0000
                                                              Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 21:44 +0000
                                                            Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-11 21:10 +1100
                                                        Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 14:23 +0100
                                                          Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 13:38 +0000
                                                            Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-11 21:22 +1100
                                                          Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 23:31 -0500
                                                            Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 12:10 +0100
                                                              Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 23:40 +0000
                                                                Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 03:35 +0100
                                                      Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-10 03:30 +0000
                                                        Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 23:09 -0500
                                                          Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 11:03 +0000
                                                          Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 14:37 +0100
                                                            Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-10 10:09 -0500
                                                            Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-11 21:43 +1100
                                                              Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 12:17 +0100
                                                              Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-11 18:39 +0000
                                                              Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-11 23:34 -0500
                                                                Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-12 21:37 +1100
                                                        Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-09 21:27 -0800
                                                          Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 01:42 -0500
                                                            Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 11:16 +0000
                                                              Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 07:03 -0500
                                                                Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 12:05 +0000
                                                                Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 12:11 +0000
                                                                  Dog poo "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 14:51 +0100
                                                                    Re: Dog poo knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-12-10 10:08 -0500
                                                                  Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 02:37 +0000
                                                                    Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 09:01 +0000
                                                                      Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 12:23 +0100
                                                                        Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 21:33 +0000
                                                                          Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-11 14:03 -0800
                                                                Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 12:12 +0000
                                                                  Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 21:57 -0500
                                                                    Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-13 21:39 +1100
                                                                      Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-13 07:00 -0500
                                                                        Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-13 20:06 +0000
                                                                          Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-14 00:18 -0500
                                                                            Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 13:38 +0100
                                                                              Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 20:02 +0000
                                                                                Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 22:43 +0100
                                                                              Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-15 00:57 -0500
                                                                                Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-16 21:42 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-16 16:29 -0800
                                                                                    Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-17 01:09 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-17 01:24 -0500
                                                                                      Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-17 06:53 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-18 22:47 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-17 00:51 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-18 22:46 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-19 02:01 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-12-19 00:58 -0600
                                                                                          Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-19 02:46 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-19 08:22 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-12-19 13:16 -0600
                                                                                        Underground fires "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-19 22:28 +0100
                                                                                          Re: Underground fires rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-20 04:48 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Underground fires "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-20 13:15 +0100
                                                                                              Re: Underground fires Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-20 12:14 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Underground fires "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-20 19:46 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: Underground fires Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-20 16:42 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: Underground fires "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-20 23:09 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: Underground fires The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-21 02:11 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Underground fires rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 01:34 +0000
                                                                                                Burning things. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-26 22:42 +0100
                                                                                              Re: Underground fires c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-21 15:24 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Underground fires rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 23:10 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Underground fires Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-21 15:34 -0800
                                                                                                    Re: Underground fires rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-22 06:47 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: Underground fires c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-22 02:08 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: Underground fires c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-22 01:53 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Underground fires Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-22 21:46 +1100
                                                                                                  Re: Underground fires c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-22 07:35 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: Underground fires Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-23 21:31 +1100
                                                                                                      Re: Underground fires Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-23 06:40 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: Underground fires The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-23 12:41 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Underground fires Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-23 21:18 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Underground fires Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-24 20:43 +1100
                                                                                                            Re: Underground fires The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-24 13:12 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Underground fires Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-24 20:26 +1100
                                                                                                          OT: Garbage disposal meets rocket science (was: Re: Underground fires) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-24 11:19 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Underground fires The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-24 13:04 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Underground fires c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-24 04:55 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: Underground fires The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-24 13:13 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: Underground fires Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-23 11:43 -0800
                                                                                                      Re: Underground fires pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> - 2025-12-24 09:04 -0800
                                                                                                      Re: Underground fires "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-27 12:37 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: Underground fires c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-27 11:44 -0500
                                                                                                Toxics... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-26 22:47 +0100
                                                                                            Re: Underground fires Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-21 22:11 +1100
                                                                                              Re: Underground fires rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 20:34 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-19 02:12 -0500
                                                                      Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-13 22:48 -0500
                                                                        Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 09:16 +0000
                                                                          Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-12-15 01:05 +0000
                                                                            Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 04:22 +0000
                                                                              Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:27 +0000
                                                                            Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-15 19:17 +0100
                                                                          Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-14 22:01 -0500
                                                                            Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-15 21:52 +1100
                                                                              Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 20:27 +0000
                                                                        Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 13:36 +0100
                                                                          Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 19:53 +0000
                                                                            Forests... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 22:45 +0100
                                                                              Re: Forests... Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-14 23:09 -0500
                                                                                Re: Forests... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:24 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Forests... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 23:38 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Forests... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 10:48 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Forests... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 19:24 +0000
                                                                                Re: Forests... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 18:59 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Forests... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-16 21:31 +1100
                                                                                    Re: Forests... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 19:15 +0000
                                                                              Re: Forests... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-15 02:59 -0500
                                                                                Re: Forests... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 19:28 +0000
                                                                Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 12:13 +0000
                                                                  Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 22:22 -0500
                                                                    Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 09:17 +0000
                                                                      Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-11 05:00 -0500
                                                                      Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 22:14 +0000
                                                                        Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-12 11:35 +0000
                                                                          Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 18:21 +0000
                                                                            Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 17:51 +0000
                                                                              Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 20:39 +0000
                                                                    Wood "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 19:50 +0100
                                                                Garbage bags "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 14:49 +0100
                                                                  Re: Garbage bags knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-12-10 10:10 -0500
                                                                    Re: Garbage bags The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 16:58 +0000
                                                                      Re: Garbage bags rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 02:46 +0000
                                                                        Re: Garbage bags The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 09:02 +0000
                                                                          Re: Garbage bags rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 21:30 +0000
                                                                          Re: Garbage bags Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-12-12 02:58 -0600
                                                                    Re: Garbage bags "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 12:28 +0100
                                                                      Re: Garbage bags The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 12:42 +0000
                                                                        Trails, Dogshit and Plastic in Nature Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-11 13:51 +0000
                                                                          Re: Trails, Dogshit and Plastic in Nature "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 20:14 +0100
                                                                        Re: Garbage bags rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 20:20 +0000
                                                                          Re: Garbage bags "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 22:22 +0100
                                                                  Re: Garbage bags The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 16:47 +0000
                                                                  Re: Garbage bags rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 02:44 +0000
                                                                  Re: Garbage bags c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 23:51 -0500
                                                                    Re: Garbage bags The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 09:24 +0000
                                                                    Re: Garbage bags rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 21:48 +0000
                                                                      Re: Garbage bags Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-11 13:56 -0800
                                                              Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 14:44 +0100
                                                              Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-10 21:26 +0000
                                                              Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 02:30 +0000
                                                                Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 12:37 +0100
                                                                  Dogshit and bags Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-11 14:05 +0000
                                                                    Re: Dogshit and bags "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 20:16 +0100
                                                                    Re: Dogshit and bags rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 20:08 +0000
                                                                    Re: Dogshit and bags Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> - 2025-12-12 09:09 +1100
                                                                  Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 19:46 +0000
                                                                    Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 22:27 +0100
                                                          Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 11:08 +0000
                                                            Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-14 22:23 +1100
                                                              Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:19 +0000
                                                                Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-16 23:13 +1100
                                                                  Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 14:29 +0000
                                                    Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-10 22:21 +1100
                                                  Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-10 22:14 +1100
                                                    Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 06:40 -0500
                                                      Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 11:53 +0000
                                                        Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-12 21:57 +1100
                                                          Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 18:50 +0000
                                                            Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-14 22:34 +1100
                                                              Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 20:27 +0000
                                                                Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-15 02:50 -0500
                                                                  Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 20:44 +0000
                                                                    Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-16 22:07 +0100
                                                                      Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-17 01:15 +0000
                                                                        Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-18 22:49 +0100
                                                                          Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-19 04:27 -0500
                                                                            Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-19 15:41 +0100
                                                      Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 14:55 +0100
                                                        Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-12 22:06 +1100
                                                      Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-12 21:48 +1100
                                                    Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 11:47 +0000
                                            Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-08 23:45 +1100
                                        Autoblock feature of shopping carts. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 19:14 +0100
                                          Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-07 15:04 -0500
                                            Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 01:10 +0000
                                              Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 04:41 +0000
                                                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-07 23:57 -0500
                                                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-08 05:49 +0000
                                                  Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-08 01:29 -0500
                                                    Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 08:29 +0000
                                                  Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 09:03 +0000
                                                    Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-08 22:23 +0000
                                                      Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 10:03 +0000
                                                        Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-09 16:13 +0000
                                                          Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 19:14 +0000
                                                        Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 20:21 -0500
                                                          Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-10 03:25 +0000
                                                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-08 01:58 -0500
                                                  Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-08 03:13 -0500
                                                  Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 08:14 +0000
                                            Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-08 23:52 +1100
                                              Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 23:15 +0000
                                                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-09 22:44 +1100
                                          Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-07 21:56 -0500
                                            Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-09 00:04 +1100
                                              Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 22:46 +0000
                                                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 01:41 -0500
                                                  Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-09 22:46 +1100
                                                    Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 21:06 +0000
                                                      Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-11 22:12 +1100
                                                    Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 20:42 -0500
                                        Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-08 23:38 +1100
                  Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-01 22:19 +1100
                    Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 11:33 +0000
                      Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-01 21:25 +0000
                        Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 21:48 +0000
                          Re: The "Standards" Game Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-02 02:51 +0000
                          Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-02 06:05 +0000
                            Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-02 04:57 -0500
                              Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-03 16:09 +0000
                                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-03 23:03 -0500
                                  Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 07:00 +0000
                        Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 23:21 -0500
                      Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 22:49 -0500
                        Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 11:12 +0000
                          Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-02 21:14 -0500
                            Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-03 11:24 +0000
                              Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-03 22:13 -0500
                                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-04 12:32 +0000
                                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-05 23:14 +1100
                                  Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-05 21:36 -0500
                                    Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-06 22:52 +1100
                                      Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-07 00:07 +1100
                                      Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-06 23:41 -0500
                                        Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 19:25 +0100
                                          Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-07 19:00 +0000
                                            Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 20:33 +0000
                                              Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 22:32 +0100
                                                Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:56 +0000
                                                  Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-08 14:53 +0100
                                            Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 22:31 +0100
                                              Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-07 22:24 +0000
                                                Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-08 14:53 +0100
                                                  Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-08 22:43 +0000
                                                    Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 10:11 +0000
                                                      Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-09 15:48 +0100
                                                        Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-09 16:18 +0000
                                          Re: Double booting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-07 19:33 +0000
                                            Re: Double booting Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-09 00:20 +1100
                                              Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-08 14:59 +0100
                                                Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 18:02 +0000
                                                Re: Double booting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 22:41 +0000
                                                  Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 03:35 -0500
                                                    Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 10:09 +0000
                                                      Re: Double booting Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-09 22:53 +1100
                                                        Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 14:08 +0000
                                                          Re: Double booting Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-11 22:18 +1100
                                                            Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 12:36 +0000
                                                              Re: Double booting Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-12 22:11 +1100
                                                        Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 20:50 -0500
                                                          Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-10 03:05 +0000
                                                            Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 22:17 -0500
                                                              Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-10 03:25 +0000
                                                                Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 00:18 -0500
                                                                  Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 10:52 +0000
                                                                    Re: Double booting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 02:16 +0000
                                                                      Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 08:58 +0000
                                                                Re: Double booting Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-14 22:38 +1100
                                                                  Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 13:42 +0100
                                                              Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 10:49 +0000
                                                          Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 10:45 +0000
                                                      Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 20:28 -0500
                                                    GPS Based Speedometers Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-09 12:47 +0000
                                                      Re: GPS Based Speedometers knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-12-09 08:14 -0500
                                                        Re: GPS Based Speedometers The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 14:13 +0000
                                                          Re: GPS Based Speedometers Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-09 18:35 +0000
                                                          Re: GPS Based Speedometers rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 20:30 +0000
                                                            Re: GPS Based Speedometers Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-09 16:52 -0500
                                                          Re: GPS Based Speedometers Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 21:01 +0000
                                                            Re: GPS Based Speedometers The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 10:37 +0000
                                                        Re: GPS Based Speedometers Herbert Kleebauer <klee@unibwm.de> - 2025-12-09 16:24 +0100
                                                          Re: GPS Based Speedometers Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-09 18:39 +0000
                                                        Re: GPS Based Speedometers Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-14 23:06 +1100
                                                          Re: GPS Based Speedometers "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 13:43 +0100
                                                          Re: GPS Based Speedometers rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 19:09 +0000
                                                          Re: GPS Based Speedometers c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-15 00:12 -0500
                                                            Re: GPS Based Speedometers rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 19:55 +0000
                                                      Re: GPS Based Speedometers rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 20:46 +0000
                                                      Re: GPS Based Speedometers c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 21:31 -0500
                                                    Re: Double booting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 20:23 +0000
                                                      Re: Double booting Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-12-09 17:01 -0600
                                                        Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-10 03:15 +0000
                                                          Cars, motors "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 11:16 +0100
                                                        Re: Double booting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-10 03:18 +0000
                                                        Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 10:30 +0000
                                                          Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 05:59 -0500
                                                            Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 11:46 +0000
                                                          Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 11:11 +0100
                                                            Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 21:28 +0000
                                                              Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 03:42 +0100
                                                                Re: Cars, engines... Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-11 21:49 -0800
                                                                  Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 07:09 +0000
                                                                    Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-15 23:19 +1100
                                                                      Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 18:26 +0000
                                                                  Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 14:19 +0100
                                                                    Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-12 15:27 +0000
                                                                    Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 17:49 +0000
                                                                      Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 20:48 +0100
                                                                    Re: Cars, engines... Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-13 15:40 -0800
                                                                      Re: Cars, engines... CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-12-13 19:32 -0500
                                                                        Re: Cars, engines... Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-13 21:08 -0800
                                                                      Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 01:32 +0000
                                                                        Re: Cars, engines... Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-13 21:14 -0800
                                                                          Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-14 01:33 -0500
                                                                            Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:18 +0000
                                                                              Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-16 23:26 +1100
                                                                                Re: Cars, engines... Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 13:20 +0000
                                                                                Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 14:29 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-17 23:00 +1100
                                                                                    Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-17 22:04 -0500
                                                                                      Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-18 09:51 +0000
                                                                          Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 08:45 +0000
                                                                          Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:15 +0000
                                                                        Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:02 +0000
                                                                          Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 18:27 +0000
                                                                      Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-15 23:45 +1100
                                                                        Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-15 22:28 -0500
                                                                          Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-16 23:37 +1100
                                                                            Re: Cars, engines... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-17 00:42 +0000
                                                                              Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-17 01:02 +0000
                                                                              Re: Cars, engines... ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-12-16 20:12 -0700
                                                                              Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-18 22:56 +0100
                                                                                Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-19 02:15 -0500
                                                                                  Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-19 15:42 +0100
                                                                                    Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-20 03:53 -0500
                                                                                      Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-20 13:20 +0100
                                                                                Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-19 22:41 +1100
                                                                                  Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-19 23:15 +1100
                                                                                  Re: Cars, engines... Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-19 21:12 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-20 01:32 -0500
                                                                                    Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-20 10:48 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-21 14:49 -0500
                                                                                        Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-21 20:03 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-21 16:39 -0500
                                                                                            Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-22 03:07 -0500
                                                                                            Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-22 12:56 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Cars, engines... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-22 17:33 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-23 01:14 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-29 22:20 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 03:11 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-30 09:25 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 13:08 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-30 18:55 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 00:43 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-22 21:59 +1100
                                                                  Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 14:32 +0100
                                                                    Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-12 15:39 +0000
                                                                      Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 20:59 +0100
                                                                        Re: Cars, engines... Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-13 02:52 +0000
                                                                          Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-13 06:11 +0000
                                                                            Re: Cars, engines... Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-14 03:48 +0000
                                                                              Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 08:50 +0000
                                                                                Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 13:51 +0100
                                                                          Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-13 04:06 -0500
                                                                            Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-13 21:03 +0100
                                                                              Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-14 00:03 -0500
                                                                                Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 13:59 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Cars, engines... Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-12-14 13:17 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 20:27 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-15 01:33 -0500
                                                                                    Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-15 19:34 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 19:23 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-16 22:17 +0100
                                                                            Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 17:57 +0000
                                                                Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 06:58 +0000
                                                                  Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-12 02:23 -0500
                                                                  Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-17 23:11 +1100
                                                                    Re: Cars, engines... Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-12-17 12:28 -0600
                                                                      Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-17 18:39 +0000
                                                                      Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-17 22:08 -0500
                                                                        Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-18 22:55 +1100
                                                                      Re: Cars, engines... pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org> - 2025-12-18 06:01 +0000
                                                              Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-12 11:29 +0000
                                                                Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 17:31 +0000
                                                                  Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 17:50 +0000
                                                                Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-13 00:13 -0500
                                                                  Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-13 06:18 +0000
                                                                    Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-13 02:08 -0500
                                                                      Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-13 19:44 +0000
                                                                        Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-13 23:46 -0500
                                                                          Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 09:12 +0000
                                                                  Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 20:29 +0100
                                                                  Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 17:54 +0000
                                                              Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-15 23:01 +1100
                                                                Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-15 22:24 -0500
                                                                  Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 07:44 +0000
                                                                  Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 10:48 +0000
                                                            Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-11 23:02 -0500
                                                              Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 06:52 +0000
                                                                Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-12 02:19 -0500
                                                                  Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 08:14 +0000
                                                                    Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-12 22:35 -0500
                                                                      Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-13 06:03 +0000
                                                                Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 14:25 +0100
                                                              Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 14:23 +0100
                                                Re: Double booting Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-09 22:50 +1100
                                                  Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-09 14:48 +0100
                                                    Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-09 18:50 +0000
                                                      Re: Double booting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 21:28 +0000
                                                    Re: Double booting Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-11 22:21 +1100
                                                      Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 12:56 +0100
                                                      Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 12:32 +0000
                                                  Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-09 18:46 +0000
                                                  Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 20:47 -0500
                                              Re: Double booting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 22:39 +0000
                                                Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 10:08 +0000
                                                  Re: Double booting Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-09 22:57 +1100
                                                    Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 14:09 +0000
                                                      Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-09 15:50 +0100
                                                        Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 19:11 +0000
                                                          Re: Double booting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 20:20 +0000
                                                            Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 10:27 +0000
                                                              Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 05:57 -0500
                                                                Wheels "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 11:20 +0100
                                                                  Re: Wheels Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-11 18:51 +0000
                                                                    Re: Wheels "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 20:21 +0100
                                                                  Re: Wheels Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-11 19:40 +0000
                                                                    Re: Wheels "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 22:29 +0100
                                                                  Re: Wheels rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 21:23 +0000
                                                                    Re: Wheels "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 14:44 +0100
                                                                      Re: Wheels rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 19:12 +0000
                                                                        Re: Wheels "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-13 23:55 +0100
                                                                          Re: Wheels rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 01:36 +0000
                                                                          Re: Wheels Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-17 23:51 +1100
                                                                            Re: Wheels "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-18 23:07 +0100
                                                                              Re: Wheels rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-19 03:24 +0000
                                                                                Re: Wheels Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-12-19 00:55 -0600
                                                                                  Re: Wheels "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-19 15:46 +0100
                                                                                    Re: Wheels rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-19 19:09 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Wheels "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-19 22:42 +0100
                                                                                    Re: Wheels c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-20 03:56 -0500
                                                                                      Rubber "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-20 13:32 +0100
                                                                                        Re: Rubber Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-12-20 13:37 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Rubber rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 02:06 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Rubber Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-20 12:26 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Rubber Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-20 20:45 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Rubber rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 02:03 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Rubber Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> - 2025-12-20 21:38 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Rubber candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-12-24 14:10 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Rubber Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-22 01:00 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Rubber rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 01:52 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Rubber "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-29 22:26 +0100
                                                                                Re: Wheels Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-19 05:06 -0500
                                                                                  Re: Wheels rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-19 18:48 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Wheels Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-19 19:26 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Wheels "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-19 22:49 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Wheels rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-20 05:01 +0000
                                                                                Re: Wheels Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-19 22:48 +1100
                                                                                  Re: Wheels "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-19 15:51 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Wheels rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-19 18:54 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Wheels c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-20 01:50 -0500
                                                                                    Re: Wheels "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-20 13:47 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Wheels rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 01:48 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Wheels rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 01:42 +0000
                                                                  Re: Wheels c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-11 23:15 -0500
                                                                    Re: Wheels "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 14:50 +0100
                                                          Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 03:20 +0100
                                                            Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 00:22 -0500
                                                              Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 11:22 +0100
                                                                Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-11 23:20 -0500
                                                                  Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-12 11:42 +0000
                                                                    Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-13 01:48 -0500
                                                                  Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 14:54 +0100
                                                                    Re: Double booting Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-18 00:14 +1100
                                                                      Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-17 22:06 -0500
                                                            Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 10:54 +0000
                                                      Re: Double booting Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-11 22:23 +1100
                                                        Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 12:57 +0100
                                                        Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 12:39 +0000
                                                    Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-09 19:02 +0000
                                              Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-08 22:51 +0000
                                          Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-07 22:04 -0500
                                          Re: Double booting John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-08 09:16 -0800
                                    Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-06 12:17 +0000
                                  Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-05 22:19 -0500
                                    Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-06 23:02 +1100
                                      Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-06 07:59 -0500
                                        Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-07 00:20 +1100
                          Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-05 22:54 +1100
                            Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-05 21:34 -0500
                              Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-05 22:22 -0500
                                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-05 23:26 -0500
                                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-06 12:16 +0000
                              Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-06 12:13 +0000
                    Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 21:41 -0500
                      Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-02 05:50 +0000
                        Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 10:51 +0000
                          Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-02 20:32 -0500
                            Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-03 11:17 +0000
                              Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-03 21:43 -0500
                                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 07:09 +0000
                        Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-02 04:43 -0500
                      Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 10:50 +0000
                        Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-02 20:31 -0500
                          Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-03 11:15 +0000
                        Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-05 23:21 +1100
              Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 09:40 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 04:53 -0500
                  Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 10:17 +0000
                    Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 05:55 -0500
                      Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-01 22:27 +1100
                        Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 22:09 -0500
                          Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-02 01:56 -0500
                            Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 11:00 +0000
                              Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-02 21:27 +0100
                                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 20:41 +0000
                              Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-02 20:37 -0500
                                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-03 11:19 +0000
                            Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-02 20:26 -0500
                            Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-05 23:37 +1100
                          Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 10:57 +0000
                      Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 11:30 +0000
                        Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 22:46 -0500
                          Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-02 21:40 +0100
                            Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 20:46 +0000
                              Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-03 00:12 -0500
                                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-03 11:31 +0000
                                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-03 16:53 +0000
                                  Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-03 20:18 +0000
                                  Shareholder primacy (was: Re: The "Standards" Game) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-04 00:10 +0000
                                    Re: Shareholder primacy (was: Re: The "Standards" Game) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 02:28 +0000
                                      Re: Shareholder primacy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-04 12:24 +0000
                                        Re: Shareholder primacy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 18:24 +0000
                                          Re: Shareholder primacy John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-04 11:08 -0800
                                            Re: Shareholder primacy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 23:18 +0000
                                              Re: Shareholder primacy c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-05 03:55 -0500
                                                Re: Shareholder primacy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-05 18:45 +0000
                                                  Re: Shareholder primacy c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-06 04:24 -0500
                                                    Re: Shareholder primacy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-06 11:55 +0000
                                                      Re: Shareholder primacy c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-06 23:48 -0500
                                                        Re: Shareholder primacy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 11:33 +0000
                                                  Re: Shareholder primacy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-06 11:52 +0000
                                                Re: Shareholder primacy Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-06 23:44 +1100
                                            Re: Shareholder primacy Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-06 23:40 +1100
                                    Re: Shareholder primacy c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-03 21:38 -0500
                                      Re: Shareholder primacy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 07:12 +0000
                                        Re: Shareholder primacy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-04 12:35 +0000
                                      Re: Shareholder primacy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-04 12:26 +0000
                                        Re: Shareholder primacy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 18:20 +0000
                                          Re: Shareholder primacy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-04 19:28 +0000
                                    Re: Shareholder primacy (was: Re: The "Standards" Game) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-04 08:06 -0800
                                      Re: Shareholder primacy Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-12-04 14:36 -0500
                      Re: The "Standards" Game Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-12-01 12:25 -0600
                    Re: The "Standards" Game Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-01 18:35 +0000
                      Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 19:19 +0000
                    Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-01 21:29 +0000
                      Re: Fighter Jets (The "Standards" Game) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-02 02:42 +0000
                        Re: Fighter Jets (The "Standards" Game) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-02 06:13 +0000
                          Re: Fighter Jets (The "Standards" Game) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-03 14:44 +0000
          Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 09:39 +0000
            Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 04:51 -0500
    Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-30 14:41 +0100

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#78810 — Re: Garbage bags

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2025-12-11 12:42 +0000
SubjectRe: Garbage bags
Message-ID<10hee86$270t7$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#78802
On 11/12/2025 11:28, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2025-12-10 16:10, knuttle wrote:
>> On 12/10/2025 8:49 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> On 2025-12-10 13:03, c186282 wrote:
>>>> On 12/10/25 06:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>> On 10/12/2025 06:42, c186282 wrote:
>>>>>> On 12/10/25 00:27, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    Cannot imagine MUCH impact on the wildlife from
>>>>>>    ordinary thin plastic bags. They tear easily, even
>>>>>>    a mouse could get free. My guess is that you got
>>>>>>    an OD of Greenie Propaganda.
>>>>> Well you gotta love the people from the village who bring their 
>>>>> dogs walking in the woods, and scoop the poop into plastic nags, 
>>>>> and finding no bins for them ,  *hang them on the trees* thereby 
>>>>> increasing total pollution and stopping the natural processes of 
>>>>> poop digestion happening.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    Oh ... wow ...........
>>>>
>>>>    Maybe WAY too much acid back in the day ???
>>>
>>> Oh, in my area there are few trees. I saw the black poo bags in the 
>>> ground and was astonished.
>>>
>>> Although I have to say that it is not nice to be walking on the 
>>> country and have to keep watching for poo and avoiding it. The dogs 
>>> poo right in the middle of the path, not like wild creatures.
>>>
>> What about deer, rabbit, fox, raccoon, etc, poop. Do you worry about 
>> stepping in that?
> 
> Nope, they don't poo in human pathways, normally. Too exposed?
>
Can do . Dogs love to roll in fox poo. Smells heavenly. to dogs


> Some animals cover their poo with earth. The pathway has hard earth, 
> some have asphalt.
> 
Some do. Doesn't really change the smell.
I made a new lawn, new topsoil, grass seed. The cat crapped in the 
middle and made a nice little pile. When the grass sprouted that patch 
was twice as tall..

I guess cats like things that eat grass, like bunnies.

-- 
    "Fanaticism consists in redoubling your effort when you have 
forgotten your aim."

  George Santayana

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#78812 — Trails, Dogshit and Plastic in Nature

FromLars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com>
Date2025-12-11 13:51 +0000
SubjectTrails, Dogshit and Plastic in Nature
Message-ID<slrn10jlj3c.17eg3.lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com>
In reply to#78810
On 12/10/2025 8:49 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>> Oh, in my area there are few trees. I saw the black poo bags in the 
>>>> ground and was astonished.
>>>>
>>>> Although I have to say that it is not nice to be walking on the 
>>>> country and have to keep watching for poo and avoiding it. The dogs 
>>>> poo right in the middle of the path, not like wild creatures.

When I see that, I gennerally assume that was left by someone on their
way into the trail, who did not want the bag of sh*t in their pocket for
the hour they will be spending there, and they intend to pick it up on
their way back. And then they may forget it on their way back.

So if I see it again on MY way back, I'll pick it up for them.

We have a number of nice trail options here:
- Foothill trails, going from the suburban streets up to the crest of a
  4000 ft (1200 m) front range, which is part of Los Padres National
  Forest. Often have sections that is just a 1-foot wide ledge carved
  into the side of the canyon carved by a mostly seasonal creek.
  Dogs are officially supposed to be on leash.
- An old dump turned into a park managed by a private foundation.
  Dogs are explicitly allowed to be off-leash so long as they are
  well-behaved, but you pay for the privilege: Each dog must have a tag
  that costs USD 145 per year. Half the park is "wild" with grass that
  is mostly unkempt, except that every year or two they bring in 100
  sheep and goats for two weeks to "mow" it, the other half has
  3 softball (i.e.  baseball) fields and two soccer/rugby/lacrosse
  fields, two smallish meadows kept free of weeds, an amphitheater
  that seats 200, and a "memorial trail" honoring war veterans, where
  plaques lists the names of every soldier from the county that died
  each year in Vietnam. We gladly pay the fee for our two dogs,
  because of the greatly reduced risk of getting foxtails up (ryegrass
  seedheads) up the dogs' noses. My previous beagle had to have one
  surgically removed at a cost of USD 800 for a visit to the emergency
  dog surgery. The downside is that they often rent out the area with
  the meadows and amphitheater for weddings, collecting $7,000 to
  $20,000 for an event that closes "the upper park" to the public for a
  Saturday, and sometimes a Sunday. And if there happens to be a
  softball tournament AND a youth soccer tournament on the same
  week-end, we dog-owners better find another place.
  The total area is about 80 acres (30+ ha).
- The "Douglas Family Preserve". 70 acres of coastal blufftop.
  Was an abandoned plant nursery. Someone wanted to build a gated
  condominium community there, and the local public raised $17 mio to
  buy it to prevent that. Since the core group of fundraisers were dog
  owners who had been trespassing to run their dogs there, most of the
  area is off-leash permitted. My previous beagles loved to burrow into
  the dense scrub areas to chase jackrabbits for hours at a time.
  One of them died from Leptospirosis after drinking from a stagnant
  pond ("vernal pool") in the springtime. (Hemorrhagic fever is very
  ugly.)

The nice park has trash cans for dogpoo and compostable bags all over.
The other parks have bags and trash cans at the entrances. The mountain
trails expect you to kick the shit into the bushes of down the hillside.

-- 
Lars Poulsen - an old geek in Santa Barbara, California

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#78822 — Re: Trails, Dogshit and Plastic in Nature

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2025-12-11 20:14 +0100
SubjectRe: Trails, Dogshit and Plastic in Nature
Message-ID<5qhr0mxs7j.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#78812
On 2025-12-11 14:51, Lars Poulsen wrote:
> On 12/10/2025 8:49 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>> Oh, in my area there are few trees. I saw the black poo bags in the
>>>>> ground and was astonished.
>>>>>
>>>>> Although I have to say that it is not nice to be walking on the
>>>>> country and have to keep watching for poo and avoiding it. The dogs
>>>>> poo right in the middle of the path, not like wild creatures.
> 
> When I see that, I gennerally assume that was left by someone on their
> way into the trail, who did not want the bag of sh*t in their pocket for
> the hour they will be spending there, and they intend to pick it up on
> their way back. And then they may forget it on their way back.

Just push it to the side.

> 
> So if I see it again on MY way back, I'll pick it up for them.
> 
> We have a number of nice trail options here:
> - Foothill trails, going from the suburban streets up to the crest of a
>    4000 ft (1200 m) front range, which is part of Los Padres National
>    Forest. Often have sections that is just a 1-foot wide ledge carved
>    into the side of the canyon carved by a mostly seasonal creek.
>    Dogs are officially supposed to be on leash.
> - An old dump turned into a park managed by a private foundation.
>    Dogs are explicitly allowed to be off-leash so long as they are
>    well-behaved, but you pay for the privilege: Each dog must have a tag
>    that costs USD 145 per year. Half the park is "wild" with grass that
>    is mostly unkempt, except that every year or two they bring in 100
>    sheep and goats for two weeks to "mow" it, the other half has
>    3 softball (i.e.  baseball) fields and two soccer/rugby/lacrosse
>    fields, two smallish meadows kept free of weeds, an amphitheater
>    that seats 200, and a "memorial trail" honoring war veterans, where
>    plaques lists the names of every soldier from the county that died
>    each year in Vietnam. We gladly pay the fee for our two dogs,
>    because of the greatly reduced risk of getting foxtails up (ryegrass
>    seedheads) up the dogs' noses. My previous beagle had to have one
>    surgically removed at a cost of USD 800 for a visit to the emergency
>    dog surgery.

WOW! :-(

It pains just thinking of it.

> The downside is that they often rent out the area with
>    the meadows and amphitheater for weddings, collecting $7,000 to
>    $20,000 for an event that closes "the upper park" to the public for a
>    Saturday, and sometimes a Sunday. And if there happens to be a
>    softball tournament AND a youth soccer tournament on the same
>    week-end, we dog-owners better find another place.
>    The total area is about 80 acres (30+ ha).
> - The "Douglas Family Preserve". 70 acres of coastal blufftop.
>    Was an abandoned plant nursery. Someone wanted to build a gated
>    condominium community there, and the local public raised $17 mio to
>    buy it to prevent that. Since the core group of fundraisers were dog
>    owners who had been trespassing to run their dogs there, most of the
>    area is off-leash permitted. My previous beagles loved to burrow into
>    the dense scrub areas to chase jackrabbits for hours at a time.
>    One of them died from Leptospirosis after drinking from a stagnant
>    pond ("vernal pool") in the springtime. (Hemorrhagic fever is very
>    ugly.)

Gosh.

> 
> The nice park has trash cans for dogpoo and compostable bags all over.
> The other parks have bags and trash cans at the entrances. The mountain
> trails expect you to kick the shit into the bushes of down the hillside.

Nothing like that over my parts. It is pre-desert land.

I often walk up here (I don't have a dog). You can see the photos of the 
landscape.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/WKBZDF4rkZztthpAA

It was military land up to recently.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#78828 — Re: Garbage bags

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-12-11 20:20 +0000
SubjectRe: Garbage bags
Message-ID<mq0nc4Fcdl6U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#78810
On Thu, 11 Dec 2025 12:42:46 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> I made a new lawn, new topsoil, grass seed. The cat crapped in the
> middle and made a nice little pile. When the grass sprouted that patch
> was twice as tall..

I don't know what it is about dogs that their crap tends to kill grass. 
Cats, deer, raccoons, and so forth improve it. I would think one carnivore 
would be similar to the other. 

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#78836 — Re: Garbage bags

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2025-12-11 22:22 +0100
SubjectRe: Garbage bags
Message-ID<e9pr0mxr9p.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#78828
On 2025-12-11 21:20, rbowman wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Dec 2025 12:42:46 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> I made a new lawn, new topsoil, grass seed. The cat crapped in the
>> middle and made a nice little pile. When the grass sprouted that patch
>> was twice as tall..
> 
> I don't know what it is about dogs that their crap tends to kill grass.
> Cats, deer, raccoons, and so forth improve it. I would think one carnivore
> would be similar to the other.

But domestic animals eat "industrial" foods.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#78709 — Re: Garbage bags

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2025-12-10 16:47 +0000
SubjectRe: Garbage bags
Message-ID<10hc86q$1knej$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#78699
On 10/12/2025 13:49, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> The dogs poo right in the middle of the path, not like wild creatures.
Mine never did

-- 
New Socialism consists essentially in being seen to have your heart in 
the right place whilst your head is in the clouds and your hand is in 
someone else's pocket.

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#78733 — Re: Garbage bags

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-12-11 02:44 +0000
SubjectRe: Garbage bags
Message-ID<mpupfvF25b1U5@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#78699
On Wed, 10 Dec 2025 14:49:10 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> Although I have to say that it is not nice to be walking on the country
> and have to keep watching for poo and avoiding it. The dogs poo right in
> the middle of the path, not like wild creatures.

Bears aren't that polite. The bike is pretty quite and I've surprised more 
than one bear in the middle of a forest road taking a dump. Why squat in 
the brush with stuff tickling your butt?  

Segue to the old joke: Does a bear shit in the woods? Not if it can find a 
Porta-Potty.

There's also something that seems to prefer rocks in the middle of the 
trail. I think it's something in the weasel family but I may be wrong. 

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#78753 — Re: Garbage bags

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2025-12-10 23:51 -0500
SubjectRe: Garbage bags
Message-ID<VVmdnTXW8qRS0Kf0nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#78699
On 12/10/25 08:49, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2025-12-10 13:03, c186282 wrote:
>> On 12/10/25 06:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 10/12/2025 06:42, c186282 wrote:
>>>> On 12/10/25 00:27, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> 
> 
>>>>
>>>>    Cannot imagine MUCH impact on the wildlife from
>>>>    ordinary thin plastic bags. They tear easily, even
>>>>    a mouse could get free. My guess is that you got
>>>>    an OD of Greenie Propaganda.
>>> Well you gotta love the people from the village who bring their dogs 
>>> walking in the woods, and scoop the poop into plastic nags, and 
>>> finding no bins for them ,  *hang them on the trees* thereby 
>>> increasing total pollution and stopping the natural processes of poop 
>>> digestion happening.
>>
>>
>>    Oh ... wow ...........
>>
>>    Maybe WAY too much acid back in the day ???
> 
> Oh, in my area there are few trees. I saw the black poo bags in the 
> ground and was astonished.

   I'm still trying to comprehend the confluence of
   warped mindsets involved in CREATING such a phenom.
   Somebody kind of literally let the inmates run
   the asylum !

> Although I have to say that it is not nice to be walking on the country 
> and have to keep watching for poo and avoiding it. The dogs poo right in 
> the middle of the path, not like wild creatures.

   Poo is EVERYWHERE. Everything vaguely 'animal' makes
   poo - from near-microscopic bugs on up. Just because
   you don't see BIG turds doesn't mean there aren't
   billions of TINY turds everywhere  :-)

   That's reality.

   Normally, the poo is FERTILIZER for the plants. It
   only gets bad if there's way TOO much poo in one
   place - typically near farms, but too many dogs in
   the little dog park also perhaps.

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#78771 — Re: Garbage bags

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2025-12-11 09:24 +0000
SubjectRe: Garbage bags
Message-ID<10he2k1$237cl$10@dont-email.me>
In reply to#78753
On 11/12/2025 04:51, c186282 wrote:
> Normally, the poo is FERTILIZER for the plants. It
>    only gets bad if there's way TOO much poo in one
>    place - typically near farms, but too many dogs in
>    the little dog park also perhaps.

That is the key. The suburban people who have no green spaces bar a tiny 
park, where kids play and the dogs go walkies.

Its like the urban drivers who wander out into the countryside and are 
so scared they wont go over 30mph,

They wanted to put even more speed limits in the village 'to stop these 
terrible accidents' I asked 'what accidents?' and they assured me people 
died every year.
I looked it up.

One motorcyclist killed himself in 1992. Lost it on a corner. Out in the 
wilds . Not in any village.

They want street lamps. I feel safer in the dark. Where i cant be seen 
and can slide into the shadows any time.

As kids we played 'hide and seek' after dark. I discovered that lying 
flat in the middle of an open area of grass made you invisible...


-- 
"It was a lot more fun being 20 in the 70's that it is being 70 in the 20's"
Joew Walsh

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#78845 — Re: Garbage bags

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-12-11 21:48 +0000
SubjectRe: Garbage bags
Message-ID<mq0sgkFcdl6U8@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#78753
On Wed, 10 Dec 2025 23:51:25 -0500, c186282 wrote:

> On 12/10/25 08:49, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2025-12-10 13:03, c186282 wrote:
>>> On 12/10/25 06:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 10/12/2025 06:42, c186282 wrote:
>>>>> On 12/10/25 00:27, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>>>    Cannot imagine MUCH impact on the wildlife from ordinary thin
>>>>>    plastic bags. They tear easily, even a mouse could get free. My
>>>>>    guess is that you got an OD of Greenie Propaganda.
>>>> Well you gotta love the people from the village who bring their dogs
>>>> walking in the woods, and scoop the poop into plastic nags, and
>>>> finding no bins for them ,  *hang them on the trees* thereby
>>>> increasing total pollution and stopping the natural processes of poop
>>>> digestion happening.
>>>
>>>
>>>    Oh ... wow ...........
>>>
>>>    Maybe WAY too much acid back in the day ???
>> 
>> Oh, in my area there are few trees. I saw the black poo bags in the
>> ground and was astonished.
> 
>    I'm still trying to comprehend the confluence of warped mindsets
>    involved in CREATING such a phenom.
>    Somebody kind of literally let the inmates run the asylum !

https://www.flickr.com/photos/splatt/3672608548



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#78846 — Re: Garbage bags

FromBobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com>
Date2025-12-11 13:56 -0800
SubjectRe: Garbage bags
Message-ID<10hfen8$2h39i$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#78845

On 12/11/25 13:48, rbowman wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Dec 2025 23:51:25 -0500, c186282 wrote:
> 
>> On 12/10/25 08:49, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> On 2025-12-10 13:03, c186282 wrote:
>>>> On 12/10/25 06:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>> On 10/12/2025 06:42, c186282 wrote:
>>>>>> On 12/10/25 00:27, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

	Nothing quoted below.  The cheap plastic bags do not bother the
the land animals much but in the oceans of the world lower life forms
and higher confuse them with food, ingest them and suffer various
problems including bowel obstructions and starvation due to having
stomachs full of plastic.
	Perhaps my location in San Francisco makes me and most of the
people who stay informed conscious of the problem of careless disposal
of plastic.

>>>
>>>
>>>>>>     Cannot imagine MUCH impact on the wildlife from ordinary thin
>>>>>>     plastic bags. They tear easily, even a mouse could get free. My
>>>>>>     guess is that you got an OD of Greenie Propaganda.
>>>>> Well you gotta love the people from the village who bring their dogs
>>>>> walking in the woods, and scoop the poop into plastic nags, and
>>>>> finding no bins for them ,  *hang them on the trees* thereby
>>>>> increasing total pollution and stopping the natural processes of poop
>>>>> digestion happening.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     Oh ... wow ...........
>>>>
>>>>     Maybe WAY too much acid back in the day ???
>>>
>>> Oh, in my area there are few trees. I saw the black poo bags in the
>>> ground and was astonished.
>>
>>     I'm still trying to comprehend the confluence of warped mindsets
>>     involved in CREATING such a phenom.
>>     Somebody kind of literally let the inmates run the asylum !
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/splatt/3672608548
> 

	I wonder if the feces of wild canines, wolves and coyotes have the
same effect on plants.

	bliss

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#78698 — Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags...

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2025-12-10 14:44 +0100
SubjectRe: Shopping carts, baskets, bags...
Message-ID<42ao0mxr7p.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#78666
On 2025-12-10 12:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 10/12/2025 06:42, c186282 wrote:
>> On 12/10/25 00:27, Bobbie Sellers wrote:


>>    Cannot imagine MUCH impact on the wildlife from
>>    ordinary thin plastic bags. They tear easily, even
>>    a mouse could get free. My guess is that you got
>>    an OD of Greenie Propaganda.
> Well you gotta love the people from the village who bring their dogs 
> walking in the woods, and scoop the poop into plastic nags, and finding 
> no bins for them ,  *hang them on the trees* thereby increasing total 
> pollution and stopping the natural processes of poop digestion happening.

I have seen that. Nuts.

> 
>>
>>    Of course it doesn't HURT anything to police your
>>    plastic bags, so if you think you're Doing Something ...
>>
>>    The starch-based 'plastic' ... may depend on the exact
>>    formulation. Some of the originals either came all
>>    apart after just a few days exposure to moisture,
>>    letting yer tomatoes and such escape or let nasty
>>    germs get to your food - OR they were big lies and
>>    NEVER disintegrated or merely came apart into some
>>    smaller bits of forever plastic so it SEEMED they
>>    were 'green' to the eye.
>>
> Most 'green tech' is virtue signalling bullshit.
> 
>>    I think the newer ones are more better.
>>
>>    Starch/sugar/protein-based IS a good idea ... but
>>    getting exactly the right performance seems a
>>    bit difficult (esp for $$$-oriented corps).
>>
> What IS the right performance anyway?
> Your computer monitor turns to bio-goo in 5 years?
> Great, thanks.
> 
> Plastic is made for burning. Just scrub the flues to get rid of the 
> chlorine, sulhur  and make it hot enough to break down the dioxins.
> And generate some power as well.
> Of course greens *hate* that because its too sensible.

No, because the filters are bad, and because the dioxin content is high.


>>    But of course the News insists your brain is 80%
>>    evil plastic specks now !
>>
> I tend to wonder if that isn't true in the case of Greens.
> 
>>    You have been assimilated ... resistance is futile :-)
>>
>>    Hmmmm ... have an instinct that sugar/protein 'plastic'
>>    might be better than fooling with starches - easy to
>>    micro-tweak proteins, and the sugars are the molecular
>>    glue .....
>>
> Back in the day we made stuff out of wood.

It is more expensive... :-(

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#78721 — Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags...

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2025-12-10 21:26 +0000
SubjectRe: Shopping carts, baskets, bags...
Message-ID<hAl_Q.53649$w6H4.49564@fx11.iad>
In reply to#78666
On 2025-12-10, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> Well you gotta love the people from the village who bring their dogs 
> walking in the woods, and scoop the poop into plastic nags, and finding 
> no bins for them ,  *hang them on the trees* thereby increasing total 
> pollution and stopping the natural processes of poop digestion happening.

Better still are the ones who drop the bags on the ground in front of a bin.

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#78731 — Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags...

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-12-11 02:30 +0000
SubjectRe: Shopping carts, baskets, bags...
Message-ID<mpuolpF25b1U3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#78666
On Wed, 10 Dec 2025 11:16:39 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> Well you gotta love the people from the village who bring their dogs
> walking in the woods, and scoop the poop into plastic nags, and finding
> no bins for them ,  *hang them on the trees* thereby increasing total
> pollution and stopping the natural processes of poop digestion
> happening.

One of the popular trailheads in town has a collection of colorful bags of 
dog shit and a sign giving the daily count. I think it's a nearby resident 
that walks their dog and collects the bags the idiots leave. 

The dispensers have pictographs of using the provided bags but fails to 
show the 'take it with you' part. Sometimes the black Lab is the smarter 
of the pair.

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#78803 — Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags...

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2025-12-11 12:37 +0100
SubjectRe: Shopping carts, baskets, bags...
Message-ID<10nq0mxji3.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#78731
On 2025-12-11 03:30, rbowman wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Dec 2025 11:16:39 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> Well you gotta love the people from the village who bring their dogs
>> walking in the woods, and scoop the poop into plastic nags, and finding
>> no bins for them ,  *hang them on the trees* thereby increasing total
>> pollution and stopping the natural processes of poop digestion
>> happening.
> 
> One of the popular trailheads in town has a collection of colorful bags of
> dog shit and a sign giving the daily count. I think it's a nearby resident
> that walks their dog and collects the bags the idiots leave.
> 
> The dispensers have pictographs of using the provided bags but fails to
> show the 'take it with you' part. Sometimes the black Lab is the smarter
> of the pair.

Depends. Some cities put the bag dispenser with a bin in the same post, 
so obviously that bin is for the poo bags.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#78813 — Dogshit and bags

FromLars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com>
Date2025-12-11 14:05 +0000
SubjectDogshit and bags
Message-ID<slrn10jljt1.17eg3.lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com>
In reply to#78803
On 2025-12-11 03:30, rbowman wrote:
>> One of the popular trailheads in town has a collection of colorful bags of
>> dog shit and a sign giving the daily count. I think it's a nearby resident
>> that walks their dog and collects the bags the idiots leave.
>> 
>> The dispensers have pictographs of using the provided bags but fails to
>> show the 'take it with you' part. Sometimes the black Lab is the smarter
>> of the pair.

On 2025-12-11, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> Depends. Some cities put the bag dispenser with a bin in the same post, 
> so obviously that bin is for the poo bags.

We have a "dog beach" here. At Arroyo Burro Beach County Park, the area
to the right of the parking lot is reserved for people. There is a
restaurant, a grassy picnic area and a beach where dogs must be on
leash. To the other side, there is about a mile of beach allowing
offf-leash dogs. The parking lot has about 12 trash cans marked as
dedicated to "Animal Waste".

It is a great place for dogs to run a little wild. Confined between
the Pacific Ocean and a sandstone cliff. My late beagle often tried to
scale the cliff, and once fell on a rock from 15 feet up. Broke a rib,
and was forever sore in that area if you picked her up and did not
remember that. But that did not keep her from trying again in the same
spot later.

The downside of that beach, is that there is a natural oil seep in the
ocean and little lumps of tar the size of a BB pellet often mix in the
sand, so you need a bottle of baby oil handy to clean feet, paws and dog
fur to avaid getting tar on your car seats.

-- 
Lars Poulsen - an old geek in Santa Barbara, California

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#78823 — Re: Dogshit and bags

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2025-12-11 20:16 +0100
SubjectRe: Dogshit and bags
Message-ID<auhr0mxs7j.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#78813
On 2025-12-11 15:05, Lars Poulsen wrote:
> On 2025-12-11 03:30, rbowman wrote:
>>> One of the popular trailheads in town has a collection of colorful bags of
>>> dog shit and a sign giving the daily count. I think it's a nearby resident
>>> that walks their dog and collects the bags the idiots leave.
>>>
>>> The dispensers have pictographs of using the provided bags but fails to
>>> show the 'take it with you' part. Sometimes the black Lab is the smarter
>>> of the pair.
> 
> On 2025-12-11, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> Depends. Some cities put the bag dispenser with a bin in the same post,
>> so obviously that bin is for the poo bags.
> 
> We have a "dog beach" here. At Arroyo Burro Beach County Park, the area
> to the right of the parking lot is reserved for people. There is a
> restaurant, a grassy picnic area and a beach where dogs must be on
> leash. To the other side, there is about a mile of beach allowing
> offf-leash dogs. The parking lot has about 12 trash cans marked as
> dedicated to "Animal Waste".
> 
> It is a great place for dogs to run a little wild. Confined between
> the Pacific Ocean and a sandstone cliff. My late beagle often tried to
> scale the cliff, and once fell on a rock from 15 feet up. Broke a rib,
> and was forever sore in that area if you picked her up and did not
> remember that. But that did not keep her from trying again in the same
> spot later.
> 
> The downside of that beach, is that there is a natural oil seep in the
> ocean and little lumps of tar the size of a BB pellet often mix in the
> sand, so you need a bottle of baby oil handy to clean feet, paws and dog
> fur to avaid getting tar on your car seats.
> 

That's a nasty downside.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#78827 — Re: Dogshit and bags

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-12-11 20:08 +0000
SubjectRe: Dogshit and bags
Message-ID<mq0mmrFc29gU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#78813
On Thu, 11 Dec 2025 14:05:21 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen wrote:

> We have a "dog beach" here. At Arroyo Burro Beach County Park, the area
> to the right of the parking lot is reserved for people. There is a
> restaurant, a grassy picnic area and a beach where dogs must be on
> leash. To the other side, there is about a mile of beach allowing
> offf-leash dogs. The parking lot has about 12 trash cans marked as
> dedicated to "Animal Waste".

There are six 'dog parks' here. One is limited to small dogs and another 
has a separate area for smaller breeds. They seem to work well although 
there is the 'He's friendly' problem.

One is an island and there was some controversy last February.

https://nbcmontana.com/news/local/body-of-missing-woman-recovered

It was briefly closed and then signs were put up the basically said 'This 
is an island and there may be water under the ice.' They were tactful 
enough not to mention if your dog is going downstream you shouldn't 
follow. 

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#78849 — Re: Dogshit and bags

FromPeter Jason <pj@jostle.com>
Date2025-12-12 09:09 +1100
SubjectRe: Dogshit and bags
Message-ID<m7gmjkloi8eq3tca2c2fa71q4vf7l26p2e@4ax.com>
In reply to#78813
On Thu, 11 Dec 2025 14:05:21 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen
<lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote:

>On 2025-12-11 03:30, rbowman wrote:
>>> One of the popular trailheads in town has a collection of colorful bags of
>>> dog shit and a sign giving the daily count. I think it's a nearby resident
>>> that walks their dog and collects the bags the idiots leave.
>>> 
>>> The dispensers have pictographs of using the provided bags but fails to
>>> show the 'take it with you' part. Sometimes the black Lab is the smarter
>>> of the pair.
>
>On 2025-12-11, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> Depends. Some cities put the bag dispenser with a bin in the same post, 
>> so obviously that bin is for the poo bags.
>
>We have a "dog beach" here. At Arroyo Burro Beach County Park, the area
>to the right of the parking lot is reserved for people. There is a
>restaurant, a grassy picnic area and a beach where dogs must be on
>leash. To the other side, there is about a mile of beach allowing
>offf-leash dogs. The parking lot has about 12 trash cans marked as
>dedicated to "Animal Waste".
>
>It is a great place for dogs to run a little wild. Confined between
>the Pacific Ocean and a sandstone cliff. My late beagle often tried to
>scale the cliff, and once fell on a rock from 15 feet up. Broke a rib,
>and was forever sore in that area if you picked her up and did not
>remember that. But that did not keep her from trying again in the same
>spot later.
>
>The downside of that beach, is that there is a natural oil seep in the
>ocean and little lumps of tar the size of a BB pellet often mix in the
>sand, so you need a bottle of baby oil handy to clean feet, paws and dog
>fur to avaid getting tar on your car seats.

Waste the dog,
Get a cat.

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#78826 — Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags...

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-12-11 19:46 +0000
SubjectRe: Shopping carts, baskets, bags...
Message-ID<mq0lcsFc29gU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#78803
On Thu, 11 Dec 2025 12:37:05 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> On 2025-12-11 03:30, rbowman wrote:
>> On Wed, 10 Dec 2025 11:16:39 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> 
>>> Well you gotta love the people from the village who bring their dogs
>>> walking in the woods, and scoop the poop into plastic nags, and
>>> finding no bins for them ,  *hang them on the trees* thereby
>>> increasing total pollution and stopping the natural processes of poop
>>> digestion happening.
>> 
>> One of the popular trailheads in town has a collection of colorful bags
>> of dog shit and a sign giving the daily count. I think it's a nearby
>> resident that walks their dog and collects the bags the idiots leave.
>> 
>> The dispensers have pictographs of using the provided bags but fails to
>> show the 'take it with you' part. Sometimes the black Lab is the
>> smarter of the pair.
> 
> Depends. Some cities put the bag dispenser with a bin in the same post,
> so obviously that bin is for the poo bags.

You vastly overestimate the intelligence of the average US citizen. 

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