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Re: The "Standards" Game

Started byc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
First post2025-12-01 22:49 -0500
Last post2025-12-06 12:13 +0000
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  Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 22:49 -0500
    Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 11:12 +0000
      Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-02 21:14 -0500
        Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-03 11:24 +0000
          Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-03 22:13 -0500
            Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-04 12:32 +0000
            Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-05 23:14 +1100
              Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-05 21:36 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-06 22:52 +1100
                  Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-07 00:07 +1100
                  Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-06 23:41 -0500
                    Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 19:25 +0100
                      Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-07 19:00 +0000
                        Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 20:33 +0000
                          Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 22:32 +0100
                            Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:56 +0000
                              Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-08 14:53 +0100
                        Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 22:31 +0100
                          Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-07 22:24 +0000
                            Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-08 14:53 +0100
                              Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-08 22:43 +0000
                                Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 10:11 +0000
                                  Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-09 15:48 +0100
                                    Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-09 16:18 +0000
                      Re: Double booting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-07 19:33 +0000
                        Re: Double booting Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-09 00:20 +1100
                          Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-08 14:59 +0100
                            Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 18:02 +0000
                            Re: Double booting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 22:41 +0000
                              Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 03:35 -0500
                                Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 10:09 +0000
                                  Re: Double booting Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-09 22:53 +1100
                                    Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 14:08 +0000
                                      Re: Double booting Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-11 22:18 +1100
                                        Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 12:36 +0000
                                          Re: Double booting Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-12 22:11 +1100
                                    Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 20:50 -0500
                                      Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-10 03:05 +0000
                                        Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 22:17 -0500
                                          Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-10 03:25 +0000
                                            Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 00:18 -0500
                                              Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 10:52 +0000
                                                Re: Double booting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 02:16 +0000
                                                  Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 08:58 +0000
                                            Re: Double booting Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-14 22:38 +1100
                                              Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 13:42 +0100
                                          Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 10:49 +0000
                                      Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 10:45 +0000
                                  Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 20:28 -0500
                                GPS Based Speedometers Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-09 12:47 +0000
                                  Re: GPS Based Speedometers knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-12-09 08:14 -0500
                                    Re: GPS Based Speedometers The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 14:13 +0000
                                      Re: GPS Based Speedometers Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-09 18:35 +0000
                                      Re: GPS Based Speedometers rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 20:30 +0000
                                        Re: GPS Based Speedometers Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-09 16:52 -0500
                                      Re: GPS Based Speedometers Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 21:01 +0000
                                        Re: GPS Based Speedometers The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 10:37 +0000
                                    Re: GPS Based Speedometers Herbert Kleebauer <klee@unibwm.de> - 2025-12-09 16:24 +0100
                                      Re: GPS Based Speedometers Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-09 18:39 +0000
                                    Re: GPS Based Speedometers Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-14 23:06 +1100
                                      Re: GPS Based Speedometers "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 13:43 +0100
                                      Re: GPS Based Speedometers rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 19:09 +0000
                                      Re: GPS Based Speedometers c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-15 00:12 -0500
                                        Re: GPS Based Speedometers rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 19:55 +0000
                                  Re: GPS Based Speedometers rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 20:46 +0000
                                  Re: GPS Based Speedometers c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 21:31 -0500
                                Re: Double booting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 20:23 +0000
                                  Re: Double booting Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-12-09 17:01 -0600
                                    Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-10 03:15 +0000
                                      Cars, motors "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 11:16 +0100
                                    Re: Double booting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-10 03:18 +0000
                                    Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 10:30 +0000
                                      Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 05:59 -0500
                                        Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 11:46 +0000
                                      Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 11:11 +0100
                                        Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 21:28 +0000
                                          Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 03:42 +0100
                                            Re: Cars, engines... Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-11 21:49 -0800
                                              Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 07:09 +0000
                                                Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-15 23:19 +1100
                                                  Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 18:26 +0000
                                              Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 14:19 +0100
                                                Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-12 15:27 +0000
                                                Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 17:49 +0000
                                                  Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 20:48 +0100
                                                Re: Cars, engines... Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-13 15:40 -0800
                                                  Re: Cars, engines... CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-12-13 19:32 -0500
                                                    Re: Cars, engines... Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-13 21:08 -0800
                                                  Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 01:32 +0000
                                                    Re: Cars, engines... Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-13 21:14 -0800
                                                      Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-14 01:33 -0500
                                                        Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:18 +0000
                                                          Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-16 23:26 +1100
                                                            Re: Cars, engines... Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 13:20 +0000
                                                            Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 14:29 +0000
                                                              Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-17 23:00 +1100
                                                                Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-17 22:04 -0500
                                                                  Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-18 09:51 +0000
                                                      Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 08:45 +0000
                                                      Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:15 +0000
                                                    Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:02 +0000
                                                      Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 18:27 +0000
                                                  Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-15 23:45 +1100
                                                    Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-15 22:28 -0500
                                                      Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-16 23:37 +1100
                                                        Re: Cars, engines... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-17 00:42 +0000
                                                          Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-17 01:02 +0000
                                                          Re: Cars, engines... ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-12-16 20:12 -0700
                                                          Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-18 22:56 +0100
                                                            Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-19 02:15 -0500
                                                              Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-19 15:42 +0100
                                                                Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-20 03:53 -0500
                                                                  Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-20 13:20 +0100
                                                            Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-19 22:41 +1100
                                                              Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-19 23:15 +1100
                                                              Re: Cars, engines... Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-19 21:12 +0000
                                                              Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-20 01:32 -0500
                                                                Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-20 10:48 +0000
                                                                  Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-21 14:49 -0500
                                                                    Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-21 20:03 +0000
                                                                      Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-21 16:39 -0500
                                                                        Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-22 03:07 -0500
                                                                        Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-22 12:56 +0000
                                                                          Re: Cars, engines... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-22 17:33 +0000
                                                                          Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-23 01:14 -0500
                                                                            Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-29 22:20 +0100
                                                                              Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 03:11 -0500
                                                                                Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-30 09:25 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 13:08 -0500
                                                                                    Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-30 18:55 +0000
                                                                                Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 00:43 +0000
                                                                    Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-22 21:59 +1100
                                              Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 14:32 +0100
                                                Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-12 15:39 +0000
                                                  Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 20:59 +0100
                                                    Re: Cars, engines... Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-13 02:52 +0000
                                                      Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-13 06:11 +0000
                                                        Re: Cars, engines... Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-14 03:48 +0000
                                                          Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 08:50 +0000
                                                            Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 13:51 +0100
                                                      Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-13 04:06 -0500
                                                        Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-13 21:03 +0100
                                                          Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-14 00:03 -0500
                                                            Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 13:59 +0100
                                                              Re: Cars, engines... Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-12-14 13:17 +0000
                                                                Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 20:27 +0100
                                                              Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-15 01:33 -0500
                                                                Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-15 19:34 +0100
                                                                  Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 19:23 +0000
                                                                    Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-16 22:17 +0100
                                                        Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 17:57 +0000
                                            Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 06:58 +0000
                                              Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-12 02:23 -0500
                                              Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-17 23:11 +1100
                                                Re: Cars, engines... Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-12-17 12:28 -0600
                                                  Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-17 18:39 +0000
                                                  Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-17 22:08 -0500
                                                    Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-18 22:55 +1100
                                                  Re: Cars, engines... pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org> - 2025-12-18 06:01 +0000
                                          Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-12 11:29 +0000
                                            Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 17:31 +0000
                                              Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 17:50 +0000
                                            Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-13 00:13 -0500
                                              Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-13 06:18 +0000
                                                Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-13 02:08 -0500
                                                  Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-13 19:44 +0000
                                                    Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-13 23:46 -0500
                                                      Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 09:12 +0000
                                              Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 20:29 +0100
                                              Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 17:54 +0000
                                          Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-15 23:01 +1100
                                            Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-15 22:24 -0500
                                              Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 07:44 +0000
                                              Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 10:48 +0000
                                        Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-11 23:02 -0500
                                          Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 06:52 +0000
                                            Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-12 02:19 -0500
                                              Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 08:14 +0000
                                                Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-12 22:35 -0500
                                                  Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-13 06:03 +0000
                                            Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 14:25 +0100
                                          Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 14:23 +0100
                            Re: Double booting Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-09 22:50 +1100
                              Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-09 14:48 +0100
                                Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-09 18:50 +0000
                                  Re: Double booting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 21:28 +0000
                                Re: Double booting Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-11 22:21 +1100
                                  Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 12:56 +0100
                                  Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 12:32 +0000
                              Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-09 18:46 +0000
                              Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 20:47 -0500
                          Re: Double booting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 22:39 +0000
                            Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 10:08 +0000
                              Re: Double booting Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-09 22:57 +1100
                                Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 14:09 +0000
                                  Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-09 15:50 +0100
                                    Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 19:11 +0000
                                      Re: Double booting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 20:20 +0000
                                        Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 10:27 +0000
                                          Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 05:57 -0500
                                            Wheels "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 11:20 +0100
                                              Re: Wheels Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-11 18:51 +0000
                                                Re: Wheels "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 20:21 +0100
                                              Re: Wheels Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-11 19:40 +0000
                                                Re: Wheels "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 22:29 +0100
                                              Re: Wheels rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 21:23 +0000
                                                Re: Wheels "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 14:44 +0100
                                                  Re: Wheels rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 19:12 +0000
                                                    Re: Wheels "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-13 23:55 +0100
                                                      Re: Wheels rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 01:36 +0000
                                                      Re: Wheels Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-17 23:51 +1100
                                                        Re: Wheels "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-18 23:07 +0100
                                                          Re: Wheels rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-19 03:24 +0000
                                                            Re: Wheels Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-12-19 00:55 -0600
                                                              Re: Wheels "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-19 15:46 +0100
                                                                Re: Wheels rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-19 19:09 +0000
                                                                  Re: Wheels "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-19 22:42 +0100
                                                                Re: Wheels c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-20 03:56 -0500
                                                                  Rubber "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-20 13:32 +0100
                                                                    Re: Rubber Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-12-20 13:37 +0000
                                                                      Re: Rubber rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 02:06 +0000
                                                                    Re: Rubber Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-20 12:26 -0500
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#78356

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2025-12-06 12:17 +0000
Message-ID<10h16ss$2b64m$18@dont-email.me>
In reply to#78334
On 06/12/2025 02:36, c186282 wrote:
> On 12/5/25 07:14, Daniel70 wrote:
>> On 4/12/2025 2:13 pm, c186282 wrote:
>>
>> <Snip>
>>
>>>    Ordered a newer unit. It'd BETTER boot Linux or
>>>    it goes straight in the bin and HPs forever off
>>>    my list.
>>
>> My HP 6730b laptop DID dual boot Win7 and MageiaLinux .... until it 
>> started deleting the Win7 Installation!!
> 
>    Why would you need a Win installation ? That's the
>    first thing zapped when I get a new box ... don't
>    let it run for a millisecond  :-)
> 
Me 2. LOL

I do THEN install a windows virtual box.

-- 
"I am inclined to tell the truth and dislike people who lie consistently.
This makes me unfit for the company of people of a Left persuasion, and 
all women"

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#78335

FromPaul <nospam@needed.invalid>
Date2025-12-05 22:19 -0500
Message-ID<10h07bq$22h6m$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#78319
On Fri, 12/5/2025 7:14 AM, Daniel70 wrote:
> On 4/12/2025 2:13 pm, c186282 wrote:
> 
> <Snip>
> 
>>    Ordered a newer unit. It'd BETTER boot Linux or
>>    it goes straight in the bin and HPs forever off
>>    my list.
> 
> My HP 6730b laptop DID dual boot Win7 and MageiaLinux .... until it started deleting the Win7 Installation!!

This is unlikely to be in evidence.

If you're to be a dual-booter, you have to learn all
the tricks of being a dual-booter.

You *can't* be a dual booter, by just getting recipes from people.
It's a trial and error thing. You learn about it by trial
and error. You draw conclusions, after you've done
enough of these.

The rule for Windows is:

   1) Repair Install of W10/W11 will not trash GRUB.
      Windows knows it doesn't need to write a boot loader in that case.

   2) *Clean Install* of Windows, that will write a boot loader
      and can generally be relied upon to upset GRUB. However,
      this can be fixed (for example, Yanns Boot Repair CD).
      You can also manually chroot in from a LiveCD and put GRUB back.

Nothing gets deleted there. Your situation would be one
of something needing a tweak to turn the lights back on.

   Paul

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#78353

FromDaniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org>
Date2025-12-06 23:02 +1100
Message-ID<10h160k$2cn1b$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#78335
On 6/12/2025 2:19 pm, Paul wrote:
> On Fri, 12/5/2025 7:14 AM, Daniel70 wrote:
>> On 4/12/2025 2:13 pm, c186282 wrote:
>>
>> <Snip>
>>
>>>     Ordered a newer unit. It'd BETTER boot Linux or
>>>     it goes straight in the bin and HPs forever off
>>>     my list.
>>
>> My HP 6730b laptop DID dual boot Win7 and MageiaLinux .... until it started deleting the Win7 Installation!!
> 
> This is unlikely to be in evidence.
> 
> If you're to be a dual-booter, you have to learn all
> the tricks of being a dual-booter.
> 
> You *can't* be a dual booter, by just getting recipes from people.
> It's a trial and error thing. You learn about it by trial
> and error. You draw conclusions, after you've done
> enough of these.
> 
> The rule for Windows is:
> 
>     1) Repair Install of W10/W11 will not trash GRUB.
>        Windows knows it doesn't need to write a boot loader in that case.
> 
>     2) *Clean Install* of Windows, that will write a boot loader
>        and can generally be relied upon to upset GRUB. However,
>        this can be fixed (for example, Yanns Boot Repair CD).
>        You can also manually chroot in from a LiveCD and put GRUB back.
> 
> Nothing gets deleted there. Your situation would be one
> of something needing a tweak to turn the lights back on.
> 
>     Paul
> 
As it is now (or last time I tried months ago), the Linux installation 
still works .... but, if I select, in Grub, to run the Win-7 
Installation, before I get to the Desktop, it tells me it is "Deleting 
Sector 1234567", "Deleting Sector 1234568", "Deleting Sector 1234569", 
etc, etc, etc, (sort of thing) .... until I press a key or hold down the 
POWER button. So who knows how much of the Win-7 system is still there 
(I haven't looked at the Win-7 drives from with-in Linux).
-- 
Daniel70

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#78362

FromPaul <nospam@needed.invalid>
Date2025-12-06 07:59 -0500
Message-ID<10h19b0$2dvop$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#78353
On Sat, 12/6/2025 7:02 AM, Daniel70 wrote:

>>
> As it is now (or last time I tried months ago), the Linux installation still works .... 
> but, if I select, in Grub, to run the Win-7 Installation, before I get to the Desktop,
> it tells me it is "Deleting Sector 1234567", "Deleting Sector 1234568", 
> "Deleting Sector 1234569", etc, etc, etc, (sort of thing) .... until I press
> a key or hold down the POWER button. So who knows how much of the Win-7 system 
> is still there (I haven't looked at the Win-7 drives from with-in Linux).

And what piece of software was doing that ?

That almost sounds like the third-pass recovery thing running,
and doing a badblock scan and using $BADCLUS to mark off clusters
no longer fit to be used. But that is a stretch because I'd never
allow a machine to go that far. I'd boot a DVD and use Troubleshooting
and Command Prompt, and work on it there.

I've run into more than a few people, who will allow their
storage to degrade so far, it's almost unrecoverable. Like
waiting too long to clone over to a good drive. This is one of
the reasons we have backups. So there is a good (but slightly old)
copy of the setup, to use in a restore.

   Paul

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#78364

FromDaniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org>
Date2025-12-07 00:20 +1100
Message-ID<10h1aiq$2eg8t$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#78362
On 6/12/2025 11:59 pm, Paul wrote:
> On Sat, 12/6/2025 7:02 AM, Daniel70 wrote:
> 
>> As it is now (or last time I tried months ago), the Linux
>> installation still works .... but, if I select, in Grub, to run the
>> Win-7 Installation, before I get to the Desktop, it tells me it is
>> "Deleting Sector 1234567", "Deleting Sector 1234568", "Deleting
>> Sector 1234569", etc, etc, etc, (sort of thing) .... until I press 
>> a key or hold down the POWER button. So who knows how much of the
>> Win-7 system is still there (I haven't looked at the Win-7 drives
>> from with-in Linux).
> 
> And what piece of software was doing that ?

Never got to 'Software' so I just figured it was a screw-up with-in the
OS installation.

> That almost sounds like the third-pass recovery thing running, and
> doing a badblock scan and using $BADCLUS to mark off clusters no
> longer fit to be used. But that is a stretch because I'd never allow
> a machine to go that far. I'd boot a DVD and use Troubleshooting and
> Command Prompt, and work on it there.

I think I still have the Win-7 Installation Disk somewhere here-abouts
.... so that could be a possibility .... or I certainly have Linux OS
Installations disks so there's another possibility.
> 
> I've run into more than a few people, who will allow their storage to
> degrade so far, it's almost unrecoverable. Like waiting too long to
> clone over to a good drive. This is one of the reasons we have
> backups. So there is a good (but slightly old) copy of the setup, to
> use in a restore.
> 
> Paul
-- 
Daniel70

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#78317

FromDaniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org>
Date2025-12-05 22:54 +1100
Message-ID<10guh69$1a3f1$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#78190
On 2/12/2025 10:12 pm, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 02/12/2025 03:49, c186282 wrote:
>> On 12/1/25 06:33, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 01/12/2025 11:19, Daniel70 wrote:
>>>> On 1/12/2025 8:50 pm, c186282 wrote:
>>>>> On 12/1/25 03:40, Paul wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> <Snip>
>>>> 
>>>>>> The whole (never ending) process is a can of worms.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I can believe it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Denmark is a special case too ... small, but also a bit close
>>>>> to Russia/Kaliningrad for comfort too. If Russia goes after
>>>>> Finland/Sweden it might seize some of those little islands
>>>>> between, secure its access to the North Sea.
>>>>> 
>>>> Is this why Donald wants Greenland??
>>> 
>>> No. He wants it because its stuffed full of minerals. Under a
>>> mile of ice. At sub zero temperatures.
>>> 
>>> Which he didn't understand the implications of.
>> 
>> He's not a 'scientist' - a 'businessman' instead. 'Scientists'
>> rarely play a big role in national policy.
> 
> If you think Trump is a businessman, I feel for you.
> 
> His 'businesses' are the 'start with a million ...

.... of Daddy's money ....

> and end up with a thousand' sort of success stories.
> 
> He's just a grubby little shyster Thick as two short planks and twice
> as wide.
> 
> ("Wide person" is not a standard English term. It most likely refers
> to the British slang term "wide boy," which means a shrewd, cunning,
> and often dishonest man who lives by his wits, particularly through
> shady dealings or petty crime. The term "wide" in this context
> implies being "wide-awake" or sharp. )
> 
>> Anyway, the rare earths ARE there in abundance and Trump - and many
>> others - WANT them all.
> 
> Rare earths are not especially rare.
> 
Yeah, I had wondered about that, too. ;-)
-- 
Daniel70

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#78333

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2025-12-05 21:34 -0500
Message-ID<Y2adnbG3aa2pC670nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#78317
On 12/5/25 06:54, Daniel70 wrote:
> On 2/12/2025 10:12 pm, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 02/12/2025 03:49, c186282 wrote:
>>> On 12/1/25 06:33, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 01/12/2025 11:19, Daniel70 wrote:
>>>>> On 1/12/2025 8:50 pm, c186282 wrote:
>>>>>> On 12/1/25 03:40, Paul wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> <Snip>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> The whole (never ending) process is a can of worms.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can believe it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Denmark is a special case too ... small, but also a bit close
>>>>>> to Russia/Kaliningrad for comfort too. If Russia goes after
>>>>>> Finland/Sweden it might seize some of those little islands
>>>>>> between, secure its access to the North Sea.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Is this why Donald wants Greenland??
>>>>
>>>> No. He wants it because its stuffed full of minerals. Under a
>>>> mile of ice. At sub zero temperatures.
>>>>
>>>> Which he didn't understand the implications of.
>>>
>>> He's not a 'scientist' - a 'businessman' instead. 'Scientists'
>>> rarely play a big role in national policy.
>>
>> If you think Trump is a businessman, I feel for you.
>>
>> His 'businesses' are the 'start with a million ...
> 
> .... of Daddy's money ....
> 
>> and end up with a thousand' sort of success stories.
>>
>> He's just a grubby little shyster Thick as two short planks and twice
>> as wide.
>>
>> ("Wide person" is not a standard English term. It most likely refers
>> to the British slang term "wide boy," which means a shrewd, cunning,
>> and often dishonest man who lives by his wits, particularly through
>> shady dealings or petty crime. The term "wide" in this context
>> implies being "wide-awake" or sharp. )
>>
>>> Anyway, the rare earths ARE there in abundance and Trump - and many
>>> others - WANT them all.
>>
>> Rare earths are not especially rare.
>>
> Yeah, I had wondered about that, too. ;-)

   But REFINING the ores is a pain in the ass. At present
   China has almost all of the worlds capacity. The USA
   and some EU countries are at the starting stage for
   building similar facilities ... but that's going to take
   a few years.

   The elements ARE kind-of 'rare' too ... not like iron
   or aluminum or copper.

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#78336

FromPaul <nospam@needed.invalid>
Date2025-12-05 22:22 -0500
Message-ID<10h07gv$22h6m$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#78333
On Fri, 12/5/2025 9:34 PM, c186282 wrote:
> On 12/5/25 06:54, Daniel70 wrote:
>> On 2/12/2025 10:12 pm, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 02/12/2025 03:49, c186282 wrote:
>>>> On 12/1/25 06:33, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>> On 01/12/2025 11:19, Daniel70 wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/12/2025 8:50 pm, c186282 wrote:
>>>>>>> On 12/1/25 03:40, Paul wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <Snip>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The whole (never ending) process is a can of worms.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can believe it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Denmark is a special case too ... small, but also a bit close
>>>>>>> to Russia/Kaliningrad for comfort too. If Russia goes after
>>>>>>> Finland/Sweden it might seize some of those little islands
>>>>>>> between, secure its access to the North Sea.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is this why Donald wants Greenland??
>>>>>
>>>>> No. He wants it because its stuffed full of minerals. Under a
>>>>> mile of ice. At sub zero temperatures.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which he didn't understand the implications of.
>>>>
>>>> He's not a 'scientist' - a 'businessman' instead. 'Scientists'
>>>> rarely play a big role in national policy.
>>>
>>> If you think Trump is a businessman, I feel for you.
>>>
>>> His 'businesses' are the 'start with a million ...
>>
>> .... of Daddy's money ....
>>
>>> and end up with a thousand' sort of success stories.
>>>
>>> He's just a grubby little shyster Thick as two short planks and twice
>>> as wide.
>>>
>>> ("Wide person" is not a standard English term. It most likely refers
>>> to the British slang term "wide boy," which means a shrewd, cunning,
>>> and often dishonest man who lives by his wits, particularly through
>>> shady dealings or petty crime. The term "wide" in this context
>>> implies being "wide-awake" or sharp. )
>>>
>>>> Anyway, the rare earths ARE there in abundance and Trump - and many
>>>> others - WANT them all.
>>>
>>> Rare earths are not especially rare.
>>>
>> Yeah, I had wondered about that, too. ;-)
> 
>   But REFINING the ores is a pain in the ass. At present
>   China has almost all of the worlds capacity. The USA
>   and some EU countries are at the starting stage for
>   building similar facilities ... but that's going to take
>   a few years.
> 
>   The elements ARE kind-of 'rare' too ... not like iron
>   or aluminum or copper.

See a recent article, for some nuances of what is going on.

   https://arstechnica.com/science/2025/12/in-myanmar-illicit-rare-earth-mining-is-taking-a-heavy-toll/

The rare earths aren't coming from the Chinese mine quite
like they were.

   Paul

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#78337

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2025-12-05 23:26 -0500
Message-ID<UN6dnYpxob7pLa70nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#78336
On 12/5/25 22:22, Paul wrote:
> On Fri, 12/5/2025 9:34 PM, c186282 wrote:
>> On 12/5/25 06:54, Daniel70 wrote:
>>> On 2/12/2025 10:12 pm, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 02/12/2025 03:49, c186282 wrote:
>>>>> On 12/1/25 06:33, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>> On 01/12/2025 11:19, Daniel70 wrote:
>>>>>>> On 1/12/2025 8:50 pm, c186282 wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 12/1/25 03:40, Paul wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <Snip>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The whole (never ending) process is a can of worms.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can believe it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Denmark is a special case too ... small, but also a bit close
>>>>>>>> to Russia/Kaliningrad for comfort too. If Russia goes after
>>>>>>>> Finland/Sweden it might seize some of those little islands
>>>>>>>> between, secure its access to the North Sea.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is this why Donald wants Greenland??
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No. He wants it because its stuffed full of minerals. Under a
>>>>>> mile of ice. At sub zero temperatures.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which he didn't understand the implications of.
>>>>>
>>>>> He's not a 'scientist' - a 'businessman' instead. 'Scientists'
>>>>> rarely play a big role in national policy.
>>>>
>>>> If you think Trump is a businessman, I feel for you.
>>>>
>>>> His 'businesses' are the 'start with a million ...
>>>
>>> .... of Daddy's money ....
>>>
>>>> and end up with a thousand' sort of success stories.
>>>>
>>>> He's just a grubby little shyster Thick as two short planks and twice
>>>> as wide.
>>>>
>>>> ("Wide person" is not a standard English term. It most likely refers
>>>> to the British slang term "wide boy," which means a shrewd, cunning,
>>>> and often dishonest man who lives by his wits, particularly through
>>>> shady dealings or petty crime. The term "wide" in this context
>>>> implies being "wide-awake" or sharp. )
>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, the rare earths ARE there in abundance and Trump - and many
>>>>> others - WANT them all.
>>>>
>>>> Rare earths are not especially rare.
>>>>
>>> Yeah, I had wondered about that, too. ;-)
>>
>>    But REFINING the ores is a pain in the ass. At present
>>    China has almost all of the worlds capacity. The USA
>>    and some EU countries are at the starting stage for
>>    building similar facilities ... but that's going to take
>>    a few years.
>>
>>    The elements ARE kind-of 'rare' too ... not like iron
>>    or aluminum or copper.
> 
> See a recent article, for some nuances of what is going on.
> 
>     https://arstechnica.com/science/2025/12/in-myanmar-illicit-rare-earth-mining-is-taking-a-heavy-toll/
> 
> The rare earths aren't coming from the Chinese mine quite
> like they were.

   Well, far better to strip-mine someone ELSES country ...

   However the raw ores are still sent into China where
   they have the needed facilities. For many technical
   purposes you need rather pure elements and those do
   not come out of some old steel plant in Pittsburgh.


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#78355

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2025-12-06 12:16 +0000
Message-ID<10h16ra$2b64m$17@dont-email.me>
In reply to#78336
On 06/12/2025 03:22, Paul wrote:

> See a recent article, for some nuances of what is going on.
> 
>     https://arstechnica.com/science/2025/12/in-myanmar-illicit-rare-earth-mining-is-taking-a-heavy-toll/
> 
Excellent article.

Its the usual example of 'green technology;' destroying the environment...

Imagine $21 a day to leave a sitinking polluted mess behind you being 
possible in the USA.



-- 
"And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch".

Gospel of St. Mathew 15:14

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#78354

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2025-12-06 12:13 +0000
Message-ID<10h16l8$2b64m$16@dont-email.me>
In reply to#78333
On 06/12/2025 02:34, c186282 wrote:
> But REFINING the ores is a pain in the ass. At present
>    China has almost all of the worlds capacity. The USA
>    and some EU countries are at the starting stage for
>    building similar facilities ... but that's going to take
>    a few years.
> 
China was clever here. They made exporting the ores illegal and 
subsidised production to a level that essentially rendered it 
uncompetitive to process US ores on US soil.,
The point is the USA already has all it needs, but at a cost that cant 
compete with china.

All it has to do is subsidises rare earths as a strategically important 
industry, and re-open the neodymium  mines, After spending a year 
pumping out the water.

>    The elements ARE kind-of 'rare' too ... not like iron
>    or aluminum or copper.

"Neodymium is not found naturally in metallic form or unmixed with other 
lanthanides, and it is usually refined for general use. Neodymium is 
fairly common—about as common as cobalt, nickel, or copper—and is widely 
distributed in the Earth's crust" [wiki]

They merely don't occur in such high concentrations or unmixed ores. 
IIRC they were a by product of cobalt mining.

Processing neodymium makes a great big chemical mess* too. In the USA 
the toad lickers would be up in arms..

*sulphuric and hydrofluoric acid, and silicon tetrafluroride, Enough to 
give the average Califiornian a heart attack just thinking about.

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