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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | alt.unix.geeks, comp.os.linux.misc |
| Subject | Re: Mercury |
| Date | 2026-04-04 18:44 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <tnr7amxrac.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> (permalink) |
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On 2026-04-04 16:32, Rich wrote: > In comp.os.linux.misc The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> On 03/04/2026 20:55, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> The design was done on the block level. Here goes a register, for >>> instance. When all is done, next step is replace the blocks with the >>> gates components. Another step, replace with the transistors. Finally, >>> design the silicon. >> >> That part is mostly automated. >> >> The design tools the chip fab people give you include software to allow >> block arrangements to be defined I think and then the software >> constructs the silicon patterns and calculates delay times and so on. >> >> In short almost no one designs at the transistor level at all, its all >> 'compiled' hardware. > > For modern hardware, yes. It is almost all VHDL (a programming > language for hardware design) or the like, the designer writes code to > describe the function, and the VHDL compiler handles most all the nitty > gritty details of how to arrange things on the physical chip to get > that desired function. > > For anchient stuff (4004, 8008, 6502) it was almost all direct "hands > on", but not in the way that c282724 appears to have have understood > from how their posts are written. Even if doing it all by hand, the > designers didn't keep "all the individual transistors in mind" at once. > The designs were still "chunked" into functional pieces (so one could > ignore what was going on inside that black box) to keep the total > complexity managable. > > The only time "all the transistors" might even have been considered was > when they go to actually laying out the photomasks by hand on rubylith > and even then they very likely only worried about a small area of the > rubylith layout at a time and just worked their way along. And that drawing was probably made by hand, too. The PC did not exist. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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