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Re: Mandriva was Re: Mercury

From rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Newsgroups alt.unix.geeks, comp.os.linux.misc
Subject Re: Mandriva was Re: Mercury
Date 2026-04-06 16:02 +0000
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On Sun, 5 Apr 2026 21:18:45 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:


> 		Well gee I am sorry about that. The Forum previously 
permitted
> unregistered visitors as guest to look at the messages.  Try this one:
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYlMGSxDy8fCQGXesK64aEg>

Thanks! That worked. A couple of months ago there was a thread, the gist 
of which Linux took off with Ubuntu because it made installation easy. I 
argued Mandrake had done that years earlier. Canonical's innovation was 
sending out CDs like AOL. My preference has been KDE and I think it's 
unfortunate TrollTech had such an opaque licensing setup. That's still 
going on with PyQt6 versus PySice6 because of Riverside Computing.

> 	I never thought it was named after the mandrake root.  But the 
name
> was based on the comic strip and the only way it could be clearer would
> have been if instead ot the Wand they had used "Mandrake gestures
> hypnotically".

It was always clear. I meant they could hardly dream up a legal argument 
that they weren't referring to the magician. Trademarks are a morass. I 
don't remember which car manufacturer it was but they ran afoul of a 
trademark registered by the Maine Potato Growers. Savage came out with a 
less expensive rifle called Edge, lost a suit, and changed it to Axis. I'm 
not sure how MS got away with the Edge browser. 

> 	Mandrake was Mandriva by the time I got to it.  Gael Duval and 
done
> 	great
> work to make Mandriva easier to use.  I did not know that Mandrake
> charged so much but it continued at $50 for Mandriva in a shrink-wrapped
> box with a light weight booklet.  Then at the same price you could
> download an iso file. But in 2011 they produced a stinker which would
> not run on my hardware.  I looked for help online but there was none I
> could understand.

Red Hat Linux pissed me off in 2000 with their homegrown gcc and Python 
that broke stuff so I switched to SuSE. The box was $80 but had several 
books worth of documentation, and several CDs. 
 
> 	I do things slowly but by 2014 I found PCLinuxOS and it was so 
much
> like Mandriva that i fell for it.  A year or so later I had to change
> hardware again and ended up with a Window 10 with EFI.  PCLinuxOS was
> not ready for EFI so I tried Mageia 3.1 which I think was before the
> systemd was added In 2016 I went back to PCLinuxOS and have not swerved
> from that in the last 10 years.
> 	Mandriva did one dumb thing as soon as they had moved to France.
> They fired the man, Gaei Duval, who had made the system easy to use,
> which was the main attraction of the Mandrake series.  They should have
> changed the name to Merlin Linux but maybe that ranchy old sorceror was
> too much for them.

I didn't know about PCLinuxOS until you mentioned it. 
 
> 	Having adopted Linux in 2006 I joined our local LUG and for some
> years after the 2008 real estate crash I was the person who showed up at
> the Cafe, where we met, to claim territory for the in-person meetings.

We started a LUG, also in 2006. It faded away after a short while. Most of 
the members were people I worked with. I was surprised last year when I 
got an email from google groups when the library project resurrected it. 
That group moved to Discord. Due to concerns with age verification it will 
probably move to Matrix. Installing Matrix/Element is one of the biggest 
PITAs I've encountered. 

> 	I think we had one meeting in August of that year when the initial
> wave of Covid seemed to be fading.  But then the Delta-9 variant hit and
> now we meet only on the first Sunday of the month online using Jit.si. 
> We have about 215 members but today only 3 people showed up and I had
> slept though the first half of the meeting.  Usually we get 5 but one
> man a widower has remarried and had a family to celebrate the Easter
> holiday with.  Others I am sure were doing the same.

The current incarnation meets at the library once a month. The thrust is 
to help people transition from Windows to Linux Mint. Six or seven people 
show up but most have been using Linux for some time, rather than the 
newbies. 

I did learn one thing from the video -- Clang is pronounced like the 
clanging of a bell. I never had a reason to say the word although I have 
it installed and use it.

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