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Re: Mercury

From "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Newsgroups alt.unix.geeks, comp.os.linux.misc
Subject Re: Mercury
Date 2026-04-05 19:50 +0200
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On 2026-04-05 14:10, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 05/04/2026 12:59, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2026-04-05 13:17, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 04/04/2026 17:44, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The only time "all the transistors" might even have been considered 
>>>>> was
>>>>> when they go to actually laying out the photomasks by hand on rubylith
>>>>> and even then they very likely only worried about a small area of the
>>>>> rubylith layout at a time and just worked their way along.
>>>>
>>>> And that drawing was probably made by hand, too. The PC did not exist.
>>>
>>> Well the PC perhaps not, but drawing packages existed on larger 
>>> machines from the late 50s. "CAD" was coined in 1959...
>>>
>>
>> Ah. Did not know that. Or forgot.
>>
> 
> What really marked the 'professional' advent of the PC as opposed to 
> consumer/hobby level stuff was the porting of Seriously Expensive 
> professional programs onto a relatively inexpensive platform.

Indeed.

> 
> Accounting systems
> Spreadsheets
> Word processing
> Typesetting
> Databases
> Graphic design.
> Computer modelling.
> Computer aided design.
> Scientific instrumentation.
> Computer aided manufacturing
> 
> Some programs descended from 80x25 serial terminals and a minicomputer/ 
> mainframe to desktop apps on a single machine.
> Some migrated from custom hardware to a PC with a plug in ISA card.
> Some migrated from dedicated graphics equipped minicomputers to a 
> desktop...
> 
> Basically everything was there already, but not designed for the mass 
> market that the PC allowed access to.

The PC made by a serious brand by IBM was also a decisive event. The 
market was very fragmented, brands trying to get to that market, none 
succeeding; and clients also waiting for "it". I remember going to 
electronics and office big shows in Madrid, looking at all the computers 
there, and saying "no, this is not it".

Although the Sinclair ZX81 and the Spectrum were almost it. In Spain 
there were serious software made for it. For small business.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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                Re: CPU architecture (was Re: Mercury) Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-04-03 00:29 +0000
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