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Re: Mercury

From	Rich <rich@example.invalid>
Newsgroups	alt.unix.geeks, comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: Mercury
Date	2026-04-04 14:32 +0000
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
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In comp.os.linux.misc The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 03/04/2026 20:55, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> The design was done on the block level. Here goes a register, for 
>> instance. When all is done, next step is replace the blocks with the 
>> gates components. Another step, replace with the transistors. Finally, 
>> design the silicon.
> 
> That part is mostly automated.
> 
> The design tools the chip fab people give you include software to allow 
> block arrangements to be defined I think and then the software 
> constructs the silicon patterns and calculates delay times and so on.
> 
> In short almost no one designs at the transistor level at all, its all 
> 'compiled' hardware.

For modern hardware, yes.  It is almost all VHDL (a programming 
language for hardware design) or the like, the designer writes code to 
describe the function, and the VHDL compiler handles most all the nitty 
gritty details of how to arrange things on the physical chip to get 
that desired function.

For anchient stuff (4004, 8008, 6502) it was almost all direct "hands 
on", but not in the way that c282724 appears to have have understood 
from how their posts are written.  Even if doing it all by hand, the 
designers didn't keep "all the individual transistors in mind" at once.  
The designs were still "chunked" into functional pieces (so one could 
ignore what was going on inside that black box) to keep the total 
complexity managable.

The only time "all the transistors" might even have been considered was 
when they go to actually laying out the photomasks by hand on rubylith 
and even then they very likely only worried about a small area of the 
rubylith layout at a time and just worked their way along.

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