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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.os.linux.misc, alt.comp.os.windows-11, alt.defense |
| Subject | Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] |
| Date | 2025-08-25 13:36 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <teutnlxfeo.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> (permalink) |
| References | (19 earlier) <mguhl0FjqjdU1@mid.individual.net> <slrn10akbrh.1aqg.lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> <108eosa$2n9v5$13@dont-email.me> <5rcsnlxki6.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> <108hemb$3bl64$6@dont-email.me> |
Cross-posted to 3 groups.
On 2025-08-25 12:42, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 24/08/2025 22:29, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-08-24 12:17, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> On 23/08/2025 22:15, Lars Poulsen wrote: >>>> On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 04:07:36 -0400, c186282 wrote: >>>>>> Hypersonics + AI drones ... the likely, NEAR, maybe immediate, >>>>>> future >>>>>> of "defense". Bombers, tanks, subs, >>>>>> ICBMs, carriers - just forget it ... all Yesterday's Solutions. >>>> >>>> On 2025-08-23, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>>>> https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/us-navy-drone-efforts-arent- >>>>> going- >>>>> well-neither-are-chinas-ps-082225 >>>>> >>>>> Maybe... >>>>> >>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zClEHMU8W_4 >>>>> >>>>> The Thresher incident might have been swept under the carpet but there >>>>> were a number of civilian ride-alongs from the Portsmouth Naval >>>>> Shipyard >>>>> that had worked on the project and were being rewarded. >>>>> >>>>> Christa McAuliffe was also a New Hampshire teacher who was a ride- >>>>> along on >>>>> the Challenger. Somehow New Hampshire is suspicious of the government >>>>> bearing gifts. Or at least it was. >>>>> >>>>> Maybe someday it will be a War of the Drones but ultimately it will be >>>>> boots on the ground as it has been for millennia. >>>> >>>> What I see in the Ukraine reports is that >>>> - tanks do not to well to take and hold urban and suburban areas >>>> because civialian/reserve/guerillas have agility >>> >>> Tanks do not do well at all. A drone can easily take out a tank - >>> especially a Soviet era tank >>> >>>> - tanks do well in open farmland, >>> >>> Not if its littered with mines. Or if there is any kind of anti tank >>> weaponry on the other side. Hand held anti-tank munitions, drones, >>> mines...the Ukrainians do better with the Bradleys - fast >>> manoeuvrable and with care the cannon can disable a tanks eyes and >>> ears...and infantry can be deployed. >>> >>>> but if forces are close to evenly >>>> matched, the game shifts to who has or can ret (by resupply) the >>>> most >>>> ammunition >>> And that is why Ukraine is winning. They don't have the men on the >>> ground but the quantity or long range fires they now have is >>> dismantling Russia refinery by railway by bridge by ammunition factory. >>> >>> Water, gasoline, electricity - these are now all very scarce indeed, >>> Inflation is rampant and bank accounts are closed. >>> >>>> - smart and well-trained boots on the ground of their homeland can >>>> inflict heavy losses on poorly trained invaders >>> >>> That is the equation. Let Russia come, and take 5:1 casualties in >>> exchange fir a few villages that have been shelled to ruins already, >>> while spending all the time sniping away with long range drones and >>> missiles. >>> Ukraine isn't winning ground, but that's not where the war is. It's >>> winning the battle of the supply lines. >> >> The problem is Trump. >> > Actually, I think that he is less and less a problem. I was meaning this: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2ainZL8Tzk> «Trump has misunderstood what Putin told him, and that is a problem for the Russian president. Now he either has to make the concessions that Trump has told the world about, or he will have to disappoint the American president. I discuss whether this is a negotiation tactic or just Trump not understanding the issues. In either case, the concessions that Trump is talking about can become a starting point for future negotiations.» > > Having shaken up the arms supply industry on account of not letting US > made weapons or components thereof fall on Russian soil, basically > European nations have said 'OK, then let's help Ukraine build its *own* > missiles'. > > The latest Ukrainian Flamingo missile bears a remarkable resemblance to > one made by IIRC a British company. 2000 mile range, jet powered cruise > missile. With a one ton warhead and a circular accuracy of 35 metres. Yes, I read about that. > They already make their own 'shahed' style drones capable of doing > extreme unpleasantness to oil refineries. > > Trump we now understand is a senile old blowhard who likes nothing more > than flattery which costs is nothing, except cash in his bank account. > > Meanwhile we get on with life without America, which is much simpler. > > Trump has no cards left to play. He may try to force a peace treaty favouring Putin instead of reality. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-25 13:36 +0200
Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-25 13:06 +0100
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Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-28 18:03 +0100
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Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-29 10:52 +0100
Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-28 21:44 +0200
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Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-29 19:16 +0100
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Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-28 02:30 +0000
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Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-26 04:23 +0000
Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-26 10:34 +0100
Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-26 06:07 -0400
Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-26 19:26 +0000
Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-26 21:51 +0100
Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-26 19:27 +0000
Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-26 19:23 +0000
Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-26 21:48 +0100
Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-26 19:21 +0000
Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-24 15:12 +0200
Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-24 17:07 +0100
Re: Floppies [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-22 23:29 -0700
Re: Floppies [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-23 21:53 +0000
Re: Floppies [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-24 11:24 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-22 11:26 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-22 10:00 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-22 19:41 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-22 12:02 +0200
Re: OS Support for old, cheap hardware ... Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-08-23 21:21 +0000
Re: OS Support for old, cheap hardware ... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-24 11:23 +0100
Re: OS Support for old, cheap hardware ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-24 23:37 +0200
Re: OS Support for old, cheap hardware ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-24 15:18 +0200
Re: OS Support for old, cheap hardware ... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-24 16:58 +0100
Re: OS Support for old, cheap hardware ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-24 23:37 +0200
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-22 11:22 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-08-22 10:47 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-22 19:39 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-22 19:23 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-23 01:38 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-23 18:02 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-24 03:49 -0400
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Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-25 11:48 +0100
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Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-21 22:17 -0700
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