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| Subject | Re: Floppies [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] |
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| Newsgroups | comp.os.linux.misc, alt.comp.os.windows-11 |
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
| Date | 2025-08-23 00:34 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <2OGdnSL2Qup-2TT1nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com> (permalink) |
Cross-posted to 2 groups.
On 8/22/25 2:50 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2025-08-22 15:59, c186282 wrote:
>> On 8/22/25 6:23 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> On 2025-08-22 09:30, c186282 wrote:
>>>> On 8/21/25 10:40 PM, Paul wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 8/21/2025 6:43 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>
> ...
>
>>>> LAST one I ever saw ... weirdly, in the sonar niche
>>>> of an attack submarine. Mil systems tend to be specced
>>>> like ten or twelve years before you see actual product.
>>>
>>> I was told a submarine history.
>>>
>>> Someone bought a new computer, guaranteed. It was an Amstrad PC
>>> (maybe the model with hard disk). Days later he came back to the
>>> shop, the machine would not boot. The vendor handed over a new unit.
>>> A few days more, the client came back with another broken machine. I
>>> think they tried once more before the vendor started asked questions.
>>> Where are you installing it? Well, you know, in our navy submarine
>>> {name}. (maybe they were trying in the entire fleet of two or three
>>> subs, or only one, dunno). The vendor quietly said that they would
>>> not supply them with any more computers.
>>>
>>> The computer died soon after they started the diesel engine, the
>>> vibrations killed the computers :-D
>>>
>>> Not knowing much about actual subs in our navy, I'm a bit surprised
>>> that a diesel sub vibrates so much, though. Subs are supposed to be
>>> silent, but perhaps they aren't when they run the old diesel.
>>
>> The diesel is mostly to keep the batteries topped-off.
>
> In these subs, the diesel is the main engine. They charge the battery
> and then they can submerge for a while. Coastal defence is their purpose.
Now, yes.
Before, they were the Main Force.
But they didn't want to spend a lot of time on
the surface. This became more critical with the
advent of sat surveillance. Strictly you want
to come up only every 3-6 months, and near a base.
Only nuke gets you there.
DO have doubts about the story of the diesel engines
shaking-apart the computers. Subs are HEAVY and, being
in the water, well damped.
The sub I toured ... I *think* the computer was DEC,
but they'd actually removed any nameplates/numbers
for security reasons. DO remember the removable-
platter drive though. Only a few still in use in
the early 80s, plenty at NASA, but they disappeared
real fast.
NASA *did* have some versions where all the
read/write heads were INDEPENDENT ... didn't
move all together. Surely facilitated rapid
multi-user stuff. Persons/teams basically got
their very own HDD. Also surely totally custom
hardware. Was fun to watch the little arms
move in and out.
Now I *did* see a dink try to remove the disc
pack before it stopped spinning - hilarious
results ! There was supposed to be a lock
kind of like on a washing-machine lid, but
after awhile it might not work :-)
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Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-22 11:26 +0100
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Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-22 11:22 +0100
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Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-22 19:39 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-22 19:23 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-23 01:38 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-23 18:02 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-24 03:49 -0400
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