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| Subject | Re: Floppies [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] |
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| Newsgroups | comp.os.linux.misc, alt.comp.os.windows-11 |
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
| Date | 2025-08-22 09:59 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <iIOdnTJSfaMj6jX1nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> (permalink) |
Cross-posted to 2 groups.
On 8/22/25 6:23 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2025-08-22 09:30, c186282 wrote:
>> On 8/21/25 10:40 PM, Paul wrote:
>>> On Thu, 8/21/2025 6:43 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I know of this because back then I read an article in a computer
>>>> magazine where they wrote a "driver" or something that multiplied
>>>> the capacity of floppies, playing with the timings. The article went
>>>> into all the gory details.
>>>>
>>>> I wonder how Linux implemented the floppy routines, though. At some
>>>> point, someone had to write floppy handling code that worked on any
>>>> PC, CPU and speed.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Linux may have handled "better" floppy controller blocks than
>>> the one in the example. Did Linux ever work with 8" floppy drives ?
>>
>> Never saw that. Linux came along well after 8-inchers.
>> Support was likely seen as "unnecessary".
>>
>> I think reading 8-inchers would require custom interface
>> hardware. May have once, briefly, existed but good luck
>> tracking down anything now.
>>
>> Last box I had with 8-inchers, I just wired up a funky
>> serial interface to an original IBM-PC and copied the
>> data over that way. Somewhere I have a photo - nest of
>> about ten discrete wires stuck into the ports :-)
>>
>>> I think the hardware had advanced a bit past that point.
>>> Even our last machine with 8" floppy in it, the staff were basically
>>> ignoring the floppy. Back when the only thing you owned was a floppy,
>>> it was much more important that it work. Some of our server
>>> configurations,
>>> seemed to boot off the floppy :-) I think the print server worked
>>> that way.
>>> You'd boot the floppy and you had a print server.
>>
>> 8-inchers LOOKED impressive ... but they didn't HOLD
>> very much nor were especially quick. I've still got
>> a few of them around ... because they look cool, not
>> because they're good for anything. A huge number of
>> people even slightly younger than I am NEVER saw an
>> 8-inch floppy.
>>
>> To paraphrase : "You call THAT a floppy ? Now THIS
>> is a floppy !" :-)
>>
>> Hmmm ... remember the old removable-platter hard drive
>> units ? 99.999% haven't. They'd probably try to remove
>> the pak while it was still spinning :-)
>
> No, I don't remember. Only saw them in books or movies :-)
>
>
>>
>> LAST one I ever saw ... weirdly, in the sonar niche
>> of an attack submarine. Mil systems tend to be specced
>> like ten or twelve years before you see actual product.
>
> I was told a submarine history.
>
> Someone bought a new computer, guaranteed. It was an Amstrad PC (maybe
> the model with hard disk). Days later he came back to the shop, the
> machine would not boot. The vendor handed over a new unit. A few days
> more, the client came back with another broken machine. I think they
> tried once more before the vendor started asked questions. Where are you
> installing it? Well, you know, in our navy submarine {name}. (maybe they
> were trying in the entire fleet of two or three subs, or only one,
> dunno). The vendor quietly said that they would not supply them with any
> more computers.
>
> The computer died soon after they started the diesel engine, the
> vibrations killed the computers :-D
>
> Not knowing much about actual subs in our navy, I'm a bit surprised that
> a diesel sub vibrates so much, though. Subs are supposed to be silent,
> but perhaps they aren't when they run the old diesel.
The diesel is mostly to keep the batteries topped-off.
The sub I toured was nuke ... there was a big door with
a bunch of "We will KILL you if you enter" kind of stuff
writ on it.
The military loves its secrets.
>> Anyway, try :
>>
>> https://www.retrotechnology.com/herbs_stuff/s_drives_howto.html#dunfield
>
>
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